How'd I do on a $600 budget?

[Paul Rudd]

$600.00 PC Build US Dollars. Cannot go over $605.00 after rebates.

 

Plan to OC the RAM and CPU. This PC will be used by a random buyer. Said buyer will be doing with it as they please.

 

A 3TB HDD will be installed after PC is built and up and running with Windows 10 installed on it.

Edited December 11, 2018 by A Random Dude
Learned Sub Forum Etiquette

[bellabichon]

It's okay, but I would've grabbed an SSD. Boot times off an HDD are very annoying.

[LtStaffel]

how're you going to update the bios?

[bellabichon]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

how're you going to update the bios?

Although it lists that as a potential incompatibility on PCPP, almost all motherboard have an updated BIOS at this point.

[Shiv78]

Spend a tiny bit more for a decent SSD. Worth every penny.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$56.39 @ OutletPC
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$96.99 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA - Ultimate SU800 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$44.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB Mini Video Card	$209.99 @ B&H
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$24.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - BT 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$29.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$643.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$623.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-10 22:27 EST-0500

 

[bleedblue]

16 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

how're you going to update the bios?

AMD offers a bootkit IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

At least a 1tb HDD and add an SSD later or a 128/256gb SSD and add a 2tb HDD later. Don't go back to pre-2010 with a sub 500GB HDD.

[Shiv78]

1 minute ago, bleedblue said:

At least a 1tb HDD and add an SSD later or a 128/256gb SSD and add a 2tb HDD later. Don't go back to pre-2010 with a sub 500GB HDD.

Starting with the SSD is probably easier and honestly not even super expensive anymore 

[Spotty]

24 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

$600.00 PC Build

 

Plan to OC the RAM and CPU.

Looks terrible.

 

Crap motherboard, not suitable for overclocking

320GB HDD

No SSD

Crap PSU

Crap case

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.99 @ Newegg Business
Memory	Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$60.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Gigabyte - UD PRO 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$36.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$609.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$589.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-10 22:38 EST-0500

 

[Paul Rudd]

1 hour ago, bellabichon said:

It's okay, but I would've grabbed an SSD. Boot times off an HDD are very annoying.

Nope. But thanks for your comment on this topic.

1 hour ago, LtStaffel said:

how're you going to update the bios?

Via flash drive from official mobo website.

46 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

Spend a tiny bit more for a decent SSD. Worth every penny.

Nope. But thanks for your comment on this topic.

43 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

At least a 1tb HDD

320GB is all I need for now.

43 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

add an SSD later or a 128/256gb SSD

Nope, never. But thanks for your comment on this topic.

43 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

add a 2tb HDD later

A 3TB HDD will be added later.

43 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

Don't go back to pre-2010 with a sub 500GB HDD.

When you spend a decade with an 80GB HDD, it grows and attaches itself to you forever.

42 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

Starting with the SSD is probably easier and honestly not even super expensive anymore

I wouldn't use an SSD if it were $5.00. For multiple reasons.

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Looks terrible.

Interesting.

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Crap motherboard, not suitable for overclocking

What makes you think that?

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

320GB HDD

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

No SSD

You better believe it.

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Crap PSU

What makes you think that?

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Crap case

According to...?

34 minutes ago, Spotty said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.99 @ Newegg Business
Memory	Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$60.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Gigabyte - UD PRO 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$36.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$609.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$589.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-10 22:38 EST-0500

• Nice CPU, I'm liking it so far.
• Excellent motherboard, still liking what I'm seeing.
• Uh oh, a stuttering mess with just 8GB of RAM in the games that will be running on this PC. No can do but I have been fascinated with the look of that Vulcan RAM the past week that it's been on sale.
• No SSD here. Multiple reasons why.
• This PC will be batting for the NVidia team. Must be able to record w/ Shadowplay & utilize the NVidia control panel. G-sync is also a great feature but will rarely be used.
• Definitely will not be going with a mini tower case. They are as you say, terrible looking.
• Excellent PSU recommendation right there. It has already been in consideration just outside the $600 budget right now. It's very possible that I do go with this.

Thank you very much for your comment on this topic. 

[Spotty]

27 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

Nope. But thanks for your comment on this topic.

Nope, never. But thanks for your comment on this topic. 

I wouldn't use an SSD if it were $5.00. For multiple reasons.

No SSD here. Multiple reasons why.

Why would you not want an SSD? You say there are multiple reasons why you wouldn't want an SSD, but you provide absolutely zero reasons why, because frankly there are zero reasons why you would not want an SSD in 2018.

 

27 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

Definitely will not be going with a mini tower case. They are as you say, terrible looking.

The case you originally selected is a "mini tower case". It even says so in the product name. Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case

 

27 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

Uh oh, a stuttering mess with just 8GB of RAM in the games that will be running on this PC. No can do but I have been fascinated with the look of that Vulcan RAM the past week that it's been on sale. 

You provided exactly zero details on what you want the system to do, or what games you will be playing. Don't expect people to be mind readers. Some games need more than 8GB of RAM, some games don't. You'd be surprised how well a lot of AAA titles run with only 8GB of RAM. If you want 16GB of RAM, then spend the extra $40-$50 and swap the 2x4GB kit for a 2x8GB kit.

 

27 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

This PC will be batting for the NVidia team. Must be able to record w/ Shadowplay & utilize the NVidia control panel.

Uhh, how much recording do you think you're going to be doing with only 320GB of HDD space? By the time you install windows and a single AAA game like GTA V, you'll be looking at only 200GB remaining space. That's going to fill up pretty quickly if you're recording gameplay footage, especially so if you install more than one game on the drive.

[Paul Rudd]

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Why would you not want an SSD? You say there are multiple reasons why you wouldn't want an SSD, but you provide absolutely zero reasons why, because frankly there are zero reasons why you would not want an SSD in 2018.

• No issues waiting 12-48 extra seconds on loading screens and 6-17 extra seconds performing Windows tasks.
• Patience can be a much-needed virtue.
• Having to wait provides time for other tasks such as bathroom breaks, a bite to eat, something to drink, watching a YouTube video, etc, etc.
• The lifespan of an SSD is shorter than the lifespan of an HDD when you factor in the amount of times you are writing to the SSD(especially the cheaper, low GB ones). An SSD cannot write a single bit of information without first erasing and then rewriting very large blocks of data at one time. As each cell goes through this cycle, it becomes more useless. 
• I did provide another reason why... "When you spend a decade with an 80GB HDD, it grows and attaches itself to you forever."
• Frankly, you don't know me. How could you possibly know that there is zero reasons why I would not want an SSD in 2018?

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

The case you originally selected is a "mini tower case". It even says so in the product name.

Wow, I completely overlooked that. I suppose what I should have said is that the case on your part list is a bit wide imo. Tougher to fit it onto a dual monitor setup atop the desk.

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

You provided exactly zero details on what you want the system to do, or what games you will be playing. Don't expect people to be mind readers.

"Plan to OC the RAM and CPU." Why else would I plan to OC both the DDR4-2666 RAM and Ryzen 5 CPU? It doesn't take mind reading to figure what this PC will be used for.

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Some games need more than 8GB of RAM, some games don't.

"in 2018."

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

You'd be surprised how well a lot of AAA titles run with only 8GB of RAM.

Of course some AAA titles will run well.

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

If you want 16GB of RAM, then spend the extra $40-$50 and swap the 2x4GB kit for a 2x8GB kit.

This is already in my original part list to achieve a stutter free gaming experience in virtually 95% of the games that will be running on this PC.

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Uhh, how much recording do you think you're going to be doing with only 320GB of HDD space? By the time you install windows and a single AAA game like GTA V, you'll be looking at only 200GB remaining space. That's going to fill up pretty quickly if you're recording gameplay footage, especially so if you install more than one game on the drive.

"A 3TB HDD will be added later." As for gameplay footage, it can be deleted once uploaded to YouTube or online storage websites.

 

Again, thank you for your comment on this topic. It's very interesting and educational.

[KuJoe]

This is the best I could come up with: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$96.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Silicon Power - 128 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$22.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - Spinpoint F1 DT 750 GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$31.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$19.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$30.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$644.90
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$604.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-11 00:32 EST-0500

 

[Spotty]

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

No issues waiting 12-48 extra seconds on loading screens and 6-17 extra seconds performing Windows tasks.

You're saying that a HDD is better because it is worse

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

Patience can be a much-needed virtue.

Again, you're saying that something is better because it is worse.

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

Having to wait provides time for other tasks such as bathroom breaks, a bite to eat, something to drink, watching a YouTube video, etc, etc.

Well, now you've just repeated the same reason 3 times. I'm starting to think that you really don't have any valid reason.

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

The lifespan of an SSD is shorter than the lifespan of an HDD when you factor in the amount of times you are writing to the SSD(especially the cheaper, low GB ones).

The Gigabyte SSD I put in the PCPP link has a 3 year warranty and is rated for 1.8 million hours and 100TB of writes. If you want something with a bit better reliability, then look at something such as the 860 evo. It has 150TBW and a 5 year warranty.

Far better than the 2 year warranty you get on the 10+ year old design WD Blue 320GB WD3200AAJS you selected. HDDs are also less reliable since they rely on moving parts which can, and often do, fail - often unexpectedly.

Whether you are using SSD or HDD, you should be backing up any data you don't want to lose.

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

I did provide another reason why... "When you spend a decade with an 80GB HDD, it grows and attaches itself to you forever."

Stockholm syndrome not a valid reason to marry your kidnapper.

It's time to move on. You are stuck in a dead end relationship with hard disk drives, and it's time to move on from that abusive relationships. Give SSDs a go and you may find a new relationship blossoms.

 

41 minutes ago, A Random Dude said:

"Plan to OC the RAM and CPU." Why else would I plan to OC both the DDR4-2666 RAM and Ryzen 5 CPU? It doesn't take mind reading to figure what this PC will be used for.

... Budget video editing rig? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

You should read the pinned thread at the top of this sub forum in regards to etiquette in posting in the New Builds section. People will be able to provide better assistance if you provide them with information such as what you want to use the system for.

Quote

2. Aim

What is the system going to be used for? Web browsing, 3D work? Different systems need different levels of performance - a computer based for web browsing and office use won't handle heavy graphic design and video editing and a proper video editing system isn't good for gaming. If your aim is for gaming, please list what sort of gaming. In the same way that different usage types need different systems, you'll need a lot more power to run Far Cry 3 or Crysis 2 than you would Minecraft.

 

[Paul Rudd]

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

You're saying that a HDD is better because it is worse

To me, yes.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Again, you're saying that something is better because it is worse.

Again, to me, yes.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Well, now you've just repeated the same reason 3 times.

Third times a charm.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

The Gigabyte SSD I put in the PCPP link has a 3 year warranty and is rated for 1.8 million hours and 100TB of writes. If you want something with a bit better reliability, then look at something such as the 860 evo. It has 150TBW and a 5 year warranty.

I don't want something with a bit better reliability.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Far better than the 2 year warranty you get on the 10+ year old design WD Blue 320GB WD3200AAJS you selected. HDDs are also less reliable since they rely on moving parts which can, and often do, fail - often unexpectedly. 

I don't care for warranties. I expect the part to last beyond the amount of years the warranty lasts. I also expect luck to be in my favor.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Whether you are using SSD or HDD, you should be backing up any data you don't want to lose.

Precisely. You nailed this one. Now you're thinking.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Stockholm syndrome not a valid reason to marry your kidnapper. It's time to move on. You are stuck in a dead end relationship with hard disk drives, and it's time to move on from that abusive relationships. Give SSDs a go and you may find a new relationship blossoms.

PC parts are a bit different than people marrying people. Unless you can come up with a reason for me to give SSD's a go, I may never use them. If you want to compare people to PC parts, I don't jump from relationship to relationship. In fact, the 80GB hard drive in my well over a decade old Dell PC filled to the brim with games, installed and uninstalled over and over, still has zero issues to this day. It's very tough to walk away from something you love that's still got it.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

... Budget video editing rig? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's possible. The future owner of this PC will be able to do as they wish with it. They could even add in... an SSD.

57 minutes ago, Spotty said:

You should read the pinned thread at the top of this sub forum in regards to etiquette in posting in the New Builds section. People will be able to provide better assistance if you provide them with information such as what you want to use the system for.

This is my first time using this New Build and Planning sub forum actually. It might be my second or third time but I gotta tell ya', I certainly don't remember ever using it. I still think it's my first time. I will definitely remember this etiquette though. I don't aim to have anyone ever read my mind. They'd probably never even comprehend what they'd find. I will edit my very first post so people will know what this PC will be used for.

[Froug]

11 hours ago, Spotty said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.99 @ Newegg Business
Memory	Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$60.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Gigabyte - UD PRO 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$36.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$44.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$609.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$589.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-10 22:38 EST-0500

 

 

 

The case option (Cooler Master Masterbox Q300L) could be better. It looks great, but has quite a few issues.

1. Poor airflow and cooling. The single case fan it has cannot support the components inside, although this may be somewhat alleviated if OP has good case fans already. Speaking of case fans...

2. Poor fan clearance. There is almost no space betwen the case front panel behind the (pretty damn good looking) dust filter. Even a light touch to the side of the case and you can hear the sound of the fan scratching against the front.

 

Also guys if OP likes hard drives... He likes hard drives. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thats it.

[Paul Rudd]

10 hours ago, KuJoe said:

This is the best I could come up with: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$96.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Silicon Power - 128 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$22.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - Spinpoint F1 DT 750 GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$31.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$19.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$30.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$644.90
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$604.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-11 00:32 EST-0500

I definitely overlooked that motherboard because for some reason it's not under a 4 or 5 star rating and I chose to only click on 4 to 5 star ratings. Glad you pointed this out because from now on I will have to make sure to also tick that 3 star option when viewing motherboards. However, a lot of these budget motherboards I will have to make sure about their quality before actually going with them. The VRM especially. As for that Silicon Power SSD, you know I ain't throwing that thing into this PC. That's an interesting deal on a 750GB HDD I see there though this PC will already be getting a 3TB HDD thrown into it after it's up and running. The RX 580 is a great GPU but this PC will be batting for the NVidia team in the GPU department. That Rosewill case I have been eyeballing this past week. I like that it's pretty basic and somewhat sleek in design. Only reason I didn't go with it is because this PC won't be for me and a side panel window will sell much easier than without it. As for that particular Corsair PSU, you are overpaying for it at that price. It regularly sees a price drop to under $18.00 all the time. I mean, you get what you pay for with that thing.

 

Thank you for your comment on this topic. I really like a few parts that you pointed out(aside from the SSD of course).

1 hour ago, Froug said:

Also guys if OP likes hard drives... He likes hard drives. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thats it.

You better believe it. Tell em' Steve-Dave.

[Origami Cactus]

I have one question:

13 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

This PC will be used by a random buyer. Said buyer will be doing with it as they please.

You are saying that the computer will be going to a random buyer, so why do you bring up your nostalgia for harddrives/wait times, if some one else is going to use it?

 

If you are building a pc for someone else, i would definitely throw in an ssd here is why:

1) Waiting 2min for your computer to boot up is annoying

2) Windows background processes. Hdd can't fetch data as quickly, so when doing something while windows also decides do something, the computer is just super slow / unresponsive

3) SSD lives are not that short, i have 2year old ssd with 25TB written on it, and it is still at 99% health. So it will last maybe 10more years.

4) No noise, cheap HDDS can be louder that case fans

5) Light/small whatever.

6)HDD is overall slugish

 

So TLDR: If you are building a pc for yourself i don't care what you use, but if you are selling it for someone random, don't make their experience worse because you dont like something.

[Happycowdance]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$96.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$52.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$19.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$45.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$636.94
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$616.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-11 11:34 EST-0500

What I would do ^

13 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

$600.00 PC Build US Dollars. Cannot go over $605.00 after rebates.

your build is $680?

 

if your budget is 680 I can make that build better

 

If your selling it to another person you should put in an ssd regardless of what you think of them

 

Edit: 680 build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$72.00 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card	$181.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case	$39.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$733.94
	Mail-in rebates	-$55.00
	Total	$678.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-11 11:45 EST-0500

 

[Paul Rudd]

1 hour ago, Origami Cactus said:

You are saying that the computer will be going to a random buyer, so why do you bring up your nostalgia for harddrives/wait times, if some one else is going to use it? 

 

If you are building a pc for someone else, i would definitely throw in an ssd here is why:

1) Waiting 2min for your computer to boot up is annoying

2) Windows background processes. Hdd can't fetch data as quickly, so when doing something while windows also decides do something, the computer is just super slow / unresponsive

3) SSD lives are not that short, i have 2year old ssd with 25TB written on it, and it is still at 99% health. So it will last maybe 10more years.

4) No noise, cheap HDDS can be louder that case fans

5) Light/small whatever.

6)HDD is overall slugish

 

So TLDR: If you are building a pc for yourself i don't care what you use, but if you are selling it for someone random, don't make their experience worse because you dont like something.

Because this is just how I build PC's. I am not you, so I won't be throwing in an SSD. If someone wants an SSD in their PC, they can throw said SSD in their PC. It won't be from my hands because my hands don't ever handle SSD's.

 

1) Every single time I boot up my PC, I turn it on, go pee, pour a bowl of cereal, pour a small glass of orange juice and bring all of this to my PC and by the time I reach my PC, it's there waiting for me to sign into it. And since it took me a couple of minutes to pee and prepare breakfast, it loads up much faster once I sign in. All it then has to load up is my HD audio manager and my antivirus software. Everything else I have disabled from starting up during the startup process.

2) I have never experienced this super slow/unresponsive process you speak of. The only thing I can think of that this sounds like is a 4-7 second process the HDD takes to load certain things. You can even hear(ever so gently) the hard drive during this process if it is silent in the room. I love this sound. It reminds me of what is going on.

3) I don't even care to find out all that information about an SSD simply because it's the exact same story with an HDD. I have an HDD that has lived well over a decade. I call her Betty White because she's 80GB and she's still got it.

4) I adore the noise of an HDD. The sounds you hear are letting you know their health.

5) You said it perfectly, whatever.

6) When you've spent over a decade using much older HDD's, there is no sluggishness when using newer HDD's. None whatsover.

 

I don't make the experience for the random person that will own this PC. That person makes their experience with this PC. If they don't like it, trust me, they won't buy it. I do thank you for your comment on this topic. All comments are much appreciated and help bring very useful information to my attention.

[Paul Rudd]

1 hour ago, Happycowdance said:

What I would do ^

My budget is $605.00 after rebates.

1 hour ago, Happycowdance said:

your build is $680?

It shows $680 now but it was $597 last night. The Zotac mini GTX 1060 6GB sale has ended so it's back to $293.

1 hour ago, Happycowdance said:

If your selling it to another person you should put in an ssd regardless of what you think of them

I don't think anything of them and what you think I should do with the storage of this PC will not be put into consideration. The GPU will also not be a Radeon GPU. But I do thank you for your comment on this topic. You brought to my attention that the Corsair SPEC 04 is on sale for $40 after rebate. I'm very familiar with this case and it does have a side panel window. I remember it being cheaper years ago though for around $30 so that would be the price range I would be purchasing it at if I were to ever buy it. It's a great case.

[LtStaffel]

15 hours ago, bellabichon said:

Although it lists that as a potential incompatibility on PCPP, almost all motherboard have an updated BIOS at this point.

This is the best quote of me out of the three. Marked as helpful

15 hours ago, bleedblue said:

AMD offers a bootkit IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

At least a 1tb HDD and add an SSD later or a 128/256gb SSD and add a 2tb HDD later. Don't go back to pre-2010 with a sub 500GB HDD.

Bootkit?

14 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

Via flash drive from official mobo website.

Can't update a BIOS without a compatible CPU iirc

[Origami Cactus]

 

1 hour ago, A Random Dude said:

 

Yeah,all valid points. 

I also like hdd noise sound, just nice.

If you have a specific type of customer then no ssd is also fine.

 

Interestingly i also have a 80gb hdd in my room, ive never plugged it in thought...

 

All the parts are overall fine, so have fun building the computer!

[Origami Cactus]

4 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

Bootkit?

Bootkit is this service amd offers you for free, they basically send you an athlon am4 processor, which is just good enough to update bios. But it isnt needed any more, as all bios are updated.

 

3 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

Can't update a BIOS without a compatible CPU iirc

That is the reason i recommend the new msi b450 series motherboards. They have a feature that you can update the bios with no cpu, no ram whatso ever. Just plug a usb stick in the dedicated usb port and click a physical button on the motherboard and you are done. Real useful stuff.