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There is the Tiered Power Supply List

Why is not there a Tiered Motherboard List ?

Just too many to choose from and changes too often, or what?

Atleast filter the mobo list down to good VRM's then maybe good quality parts, return product ease.

 

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Doesn't sound like that bad of an idea, but you would have to do that for every single chipset and socket. I would want to help with it

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4 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

There is the Tiered Power Supply List

Why is not there a Tiered Motherboard List ?

Just too many to choose from and changes too often, or what?

Atleast filter the mobo list down to good VRM's then maybe good quality parts, return product ease.

 

Maybe I should help with that... except the older stuff, too little data on those

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5 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

Just too many to choose from and changes too often, or what?

Yes. Something like a maximus board, while usually a kind of baseline quality, still ranges from mid to high end within its own production. Brands produce an enormous selection, and there is far more variety in mobos than there are PSUs, of which the tier list is still incomplete. Not to mention, you'd need to sort by generation and quality, while power supplies aren't held to that.

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Maybe I should help with that... except the older stuff, too little data on those

Well just the newer stuff, going back a generation probably. See my note below.

 

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Yes. Something like a maximus board, while usually a kind of baseline quality, still ranges from mid to high end within its own production. Brands produce an enormous selection, and there is far more variety in mobos than there are PSUs, and our tier list is still incomplete. Not to mention, you'd need to sort by generation and quality, while power supplies aren't held to that.

The features part I think can be generalized, the more important factors are the VRM's, and the cooling of the VRM's, and quality, return ease. I think the gamers would really appreciate it. But also put a "How to choose a mobo" at the very top of the post.

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Btw, maybe a tier list isn't the best, but a categorised list would be nice. Or are we doing build quality only just like the psu?

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3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Btw, maybe a tier list isn't the best, but a categorised list would be nice. Or are we doing build quality only just like the psu?

I think you are onto something. A spreadsheet that you can filter, there are a few classes of users, gamers, overclockers, business and regular joe. I think many people are confused because there are so many to choose from, but if you break it down into the important factors for each user group. Would help out a lot.

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4 minutes ago, campy said:

I think its because realistically you got certain obvious tiers of hardware and some quick googling can show you the best for each tier.

I would disagree with you on that, because you always have people asking "Which mobo to buy" then they say "games" but never specify the games. Like my wife saying she wants a red vehicle.

 

Start off with the newest generation of mobo's.

Figure out the important purchasing factors for each user group, gamers, o/c'ers, biz and joe.

Price flucuates so could leave that out, but maybe a few sets of price ranges, $50-$100 and $101-$175 and such in Canadian Dollars only, because Canada is the only country that matters ;)

 

Organization is the key to this.

VRM's

Cooling of VRM's

Board Size ATX, mATX

Price Range

What else?

 

 

 

 

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Don't remember where but last year when i was shopping for AM4 motherboard there was a list somewhere available with the VRM config they used.

A problem with mobo is that that design is more important then it is for a PSU also the features may vary which makes a tier totally difficult to define.

The largest problem: you would not only need to differentiate between chipsets but also target processors. For a ryzen 7 you want a different mobo then for a ryzen 3 with iGPU.

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3 minutes ago, James Evens said:

also the features may vary which makes a tier totally difficult to define.

Right, but what features are important to user groups (gamers, o/c'ers, biz, reg joe's?

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4 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

I would disagree with you on that, because you always have people asking "Which mobo to buy" then they say "games" but never specify the games. Like my wife saying she wants a red vehicle.

 

Start off with the newest generation of mobo's.

Figure out the important purchasing factors for each user group, gamers, o/c'ers, biz and joe.

Price flucuates so could leave that out, but maybe a few sets of price ranges, $50-$100 and $101-$175 and such in Canadian Dollars only, because Canada is the only country that matters ;)

 

I would leave value here. I would make 3 tiers: best, good, worse

4 catagories: gamers, biz, oc, joe

But what do we factor in? Rma rate? Power delivery? Vrm heatsink?

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I don't like tiered systems because they don't answer the question of "I want something that does this, this, and this. Which board should I get?"

 

4 minutes ago, James Evens said:

Don't remember where but last year when i was shopping for AM4 motherboard there was a list somewhere available with the VRM config they used.

A problem with mobo is that that design is more important then it is for a PSU also the features may vary which makes a tier totally difficult to define.

The largest problem: you would not only need to differentiate between chipsets but also target processors. For a ryzen 7 you want a different mobo then for a ryzen 3 with iGPU.

As an example to feed off of this post, say you have an uATX board or an mITX board with a great VRM setup and an ATX board with an okay VRM setup but plenty of options that the other two boards won't do. How do you put this in a tier?

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only reason we dont have one is becuase nobody loves motherboards enough to make one themselves and curate and update it

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3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

But what do we factor in? Rma rate? Power delivery? Vrm heatsink?

Yes

VRM heat sink is valuable for O/C'ers and more cpu core users

Power Delivery too, what do you mean by that? Power delivery architecture or total watts or how many power channels?

 

I know whats important in power, that 8+2 connector or whatever it is.

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Just now, Canada EH said:

Yes

VRM heat sink is valuable for O/C'ers and more cpu core users

Power Delivery too, what do you mean by that? Power delivery architecture or total watts or how many power channels?

Well, how good it is. How much wattage, power phases, quality of the vrn, heat from it. Things like that

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

How much wattage, power phases, quality of the vrn, heat from it. Things like that

Yes, also RAID for that user group, call them NAS group.

 

Quality of UEFI and BIO

Quality of upgrades and frequency of upgrades to bios/firmware.

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3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

@Canada EH 

Do we need a seperate catagory for that? Or is that inside bis?

For RAID, yeah probably part of Business User group.

 

NAS would be Home Users aka Average Joe User Group.

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1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

For RAID, yeah probably part of Business User group.

 

NAS would be Home Users aka Average Joe User Group.

So raid in both joe and bis?

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17 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I don't like tiered systems because they don't answer the question of "I want something that does this, this, and this. Which board should I get?"

 

As an example to feed off of this post, say you have an uATX board or an mITX board with a great VRM setup and an ATX board with an okay VRM setup but plenty of options that the other two boards won't do. How do you put this in a tier?

At least a tier list can stop people from buying inadequate boards. Will need symbols (say asterisks to mark out boards with say, RGB lights, 20Gb network card, Wifi etc,) to make it more informative, just like how downdraft coolers are separated from normal tower coolers.

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

At least a tier list can stop people from buying inadequate boards. Will need symbols (say asterisks to mark out boards with say, RGB lights, 20Gb network card, Wifi etc,) to make it more informative, just like how downdraft coolers are separated from normal tower coolers.

Even then I don't like having that information available. You could eliminate the need for "crap tier" by saying "anything not on this list is not recommended." If I'm looking for a product and I'm new to the territory, I like to have what I should find rather than what I should avoid. It's less thinking I have to do.

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

At least a tier list can stop people from buying inadequate boards. Will need symbols (say asterisks to mark out boards with say, RGB lights, 20Gb network card, Wifi etc,) to make it more informative, just like how downdraft coolers are separated from normal tower coolers.

Maybe like some icons for features like this for example

1=bgn wifi

2=ac wifi

3= 10 gbit adapter

4=rgb headers

5=rgb sync

 

 

Something like that?

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5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Maybe like some icons for features like this for example

1=bgn wifi

2=ac wifi

3= 10 gbit adapter

4=rgb headers

5=rgb sync

 

 

Something like that?

and now go on with usb 3.1 gen 2 header for front IO, usb typ c 10 gb/s, thunderbolt,  etc.

It would be more like a large table or just straight up a link to a google spreadsheet.

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1 minute ago, James Evens said:

and now go on with usb 3.1 gen 2 header for front IO, usb typ c 10 gb/s, thunderbolt,  etc.

It would be more like a large table or just straight up a link to a google spreadsheet.

Also a possibility. But for example a vrm heatsink doesn't have to be listed for a bis. So you can play around a bit with that if needed

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