First Uncensored Adult Game for Steam gets Banned in 28 Countries

[willsanforglend]

Japan LOL

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

2 minutes ago, willsanforglend said:

Japan LOL

Sir, I swear, it's just a cooking show.

[mr moose]

10 hours ago, Thaldor said:

What I'm trying to say is that there's no problems or complexity in one country or state making an age verification system. The problem is the complexity for the one who tries to make a service that requires access to all those age verification systems that the countris/states made. For example the only problem UK, US, EU, Russia, Japan and China to make age verification systems is to choose how to make it, the problem for Valve, Netflix, PornHub and others is to make their system compatible with all of the systems before mentioned countries made.

 

I know what you are saying, but there is no need for such complexities, the same system can be used in every country. there is literally no need to make a different system for every country,  Windows does not have a different serial key system for every country, Ebay and papay don't have different systems for every country, Visa and master card operate the same system in every country.   

10 hours ago, Thaldor said:

Like I said in the last lootbox thread, Finland has this idetification system called Tunnistus through which people can login to different places with their ID-cards, mobile authetication or online banking accounts, like I login with Tunnistus to reserve a dentist appointment from public healthcare by login through their service to my online banking account through which my bank authenticates me as who I am (sends my name and social security number to the Tunnistus which then logs me into the public healthcares site). Tunnistus uses probably totally different platform with totally different security, authentication and communication systems than New Zealands 18+card system and this creates the problem because Steam would need to be compatible with both of these systems (if Finland was to use Tunnistus as age verification system) to validate users from Finland and NZ to be in legal age to see the content.

 

Your still thinking about this as if it is some widely complex system that every country has to have different.  You don't have to use an existing or create a new system for each country, just like you don't have to create a new serial key or banking software, you use the same system everywhere.   The only thing that varies in each country is the age of consent and the products permitted on sale.  Steam already know this information, in fact they don't even need to know the age of consent, all they need to know is if you have a legitimate code it's because you are old enough to buy one in your country. 

[Aetheria]

13 hours ago, leadeater said:

I was meaning a law enforcement authority, wouldn't need to break the VPN at all or even look at it. Warrant for payment information then follow that.

I don't understand your angle. If they're wasting a tonne of police resources scouring transaction history across every prepaid card ever sold, the most they can get from that is a CC number and the merchant the VPN uses. In case this isn't clear: there's nothing inherently illegal about signing up for or using a VPN.

[leadeater]

20 minutes ago, Aetheria said:

I don't understand your angle. If they're wasting a tonne of police resources scouring transaction history across every prepaid card ever sold, the most they can get from that is a CC number and the merchant the VPN uses. In case this isn't clear: there's nothing inherently illegal about signing up for or using a VPN.

Like I said this has zero to do with VPN at all, if you do something dumb enough with the credit card i.e. something illegal and that was your payment method then there is a reverse path at a minimum back to the store you purchased it from. Even with cash date and exact time is known and if recent enough for camera footage, which is very good now days, they have you on multiple cameras from multiple different angles buying it.

 

Suffice to say don't do something dumb enough with a pre-paid credit card, go for a more secure method which exists i.e. use that pre-paid credit card to transfer money to a less traceable one that offers buyer anonymity because ones you can buy at supermarkets do not offer that.

[Thaldor]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

 

I know what you are saying, but there is no need for such complexities, the same system can be used in every country. there is literally no need to make a different system for every country,  Windows does not have a different serial key system for every country, Ebay and papay don't have different systems for every country, Visa and master card operate the same system in every country.   

 

Your still thinking about this as if it is some widely complex system that every country has to have different.  You don't have to use an existing or create a new system for each country, just like you don't have to create a new serial key or banking software, you use the same system everywhere.   The only thing that varies in each country is the age of consent and the products permitted on sale.  Steam already know this information, in fact they don't even need to know the age of consent, all they need to know is if you have a legitimate code it's because you are old enough to buy one in your country. 

And as I have said that is not going to happen as the world is today. That would need tremendous amount of political unity and that's one thing that is quite rare. If a company, like Visa or PayPal or Ebay was to make it, nothing bounds any country to use that and probably quite many will not use that because political reasons and many will think that their local companies can do it better to fit their needs and especially cheaper. And after all the cahnge comes from the legistation, so, if only UK is even thinking about it and NZ has already it's own and others haven't even voiced their interest, it wouldn't be very wise to spent millions to build a system that you can only hope to sell only to the UK. So, private companies are not probably very interested about this kind of project just only from the stand point there really isn't any market for age verification systems.

 

And oh god if it's made UK, after all brexit madness I can only imagine how much EU would love to make completely different system just to show UK that they are leaving the EU. Not even talking about if it was made by US, you are welcome to try to sell that to Russians, Chinese and probably half of the world by now after the whole Snowden incident. Probably only way this could happen would be through 3rd party or something like UN or it's suborganizations start to make it, but then again there's the world politics included.

 

It's far more probable that if countries (other than UK) start to make laws and really demand holding age verification, most of the countries will be making their own systems and it becomes one huge global mess to handle for companies.

[mr moose]

9 hours ago, Thaldor said:

And as I have said that is not going to happen as the world is today. That would need tremendous amount of political unity and that's one thing that is quite rare. If a company, like Visa or PayPal or Ebay was to make it, nothing bounds any country to use that and probably quite many will not use that because political reasons and many will think that their local companies can do it better to fit their needs and especially cheaper. And after all the cahnge comes from the legistation, so, if only UK is even thinking about it and NZ has already it's own and others haven't even voiced their interest, it wouldn't be very wise to spent millions to build a system that you can only hope to sell only to the UK. So, private companies are not probably very interested about this kind of project just only from the stand point there really isn't any market for age verification systems.

Nothing stops any country from doing anything.  You just don't get it do you.  It's not that complicated. If a country wants to verify age it can,  if it doesn't it won't. You keep going back to some idea that countries have to individually make their own systems or adopt some complex laws or connect to another country computer system. None of that is necessary.   Seriously it's as easy as printing and selling a steam voucher (which they already do).  The only difference is the shop can only sell the voucher to some who is at age of consent, like smokes, wine and gambling.  

 

9 hours ago, Thaldor said:

And oh god if it's made UK, after all brexit madness I can only imagine how much EU would love to make completely different system just to show UK that they are leaving the EU. Not even talking about if it was made by US, you are welcome to try to sell that to Russians, Chinese and probably half of the world by now after the whole Snowden incident. Probably only way this could happen would be through 3rd party or something like UN or it's suborganizations start to make it, but then again there's the world politics included.

 

It's far more probable that if countries (other than UK) start to make laws and really demand holding age verification, most of the countries will be making their own systems and it becomes one huge global mess to handle for companies.

 

You are just being silly now.