Rumor: Intel has 14nm+++ CPUs on the way

[Arika]

at least call it something better than "cooper lake"

[cj09beira]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

 

Although GF has its own 7nm Process, AFAIR its the IBM. But since the last IBM processes were rather garbage for what AMD wants to do, they seem to avoid it...

I highly doubt that as it would be too expensive to do that as it is quasi a redesign of the chips.

And why would you do that for something like 10mm²??

You wouldn't!

from what we know that global foundries process is not the best for epyc sure, but its awesome for ryzen and with the separation of the two markets to different foundries they can go to town on the power for ryzen 

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

from what we know that global foundries process is not the best for epyc sure, but its awesome for ryzen and with the separation of the two markets to different foundries they can go to town on the power for ryzen 

GloFo & TSMC are in pretty similar realms on 7nm because they pushed right to the limits of DUV before the shift to EUV on the updated 7nm node. It's really more than TSMC will be 9-12 months ahead of GloFo, which is what matters most to AMD right now.

[williamcll]

imagine a chip running on 10Ghz on a stock cooler.

[S w a t s o n]

Clearly more pluses just dont cut it at this point, I'm voting for 14nm^⁺

[Taf the Ghost]

5 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Clearly more pluses just dont cut it at this point, I'm voting for 14nm^⁺

14nm++². 

[MMKing]

On 8/14/2018 at 5:30 PM, WereCat said:

What does the "+" even mean? 

 

Higher density, better yields, higher quality, lower power consumption,...? 

Strictly speaking, neither the ''14'' or the ever increasing amount of ''+'' has any real meaning. To the consumer ''14+'' sounds better than ''14''. But in the industry, the difference is completely devoid of meaning without further information.

 

As you can see looking at the two images bellow. There is no real rhyme or reason to any of this. The only important information to remember is that 10nm intel is smaller than 14nm intel, and 7nm TSMC is smaller than 10nm TSMC. Further more, as you can see. The notion that Intel's 10nm being equivalent to TSMC 7nm is not groundless. Intel's 10nm gate pitch and interconnect pitch is equivalent or smaller than TSMC's PROPOSED 7nm process.

 

 

10nm (lower number is better)

 

7nm (lower number is better)

Note that these are all proposed