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Calling Out an ISP?

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

If I do this am I going to get some lawsuit slapped across my face? I would rather use a VPN and be good then have a $500,000 fine.

You think your ISP catalogs every bit that crosses its network? They aint the NSA. Who you worry about is the MPAA and the RIAA. Those are the fuckers who sue you. As for the government, you think they are going to bring a cases against you for a little copy right violation. Uncle Sam goes for the big fish. Id be more worried about them disconnecting your service. 

 

Ive downloaded stuff myself. That will not stop me from a complaint not only to the FCC but to the Michigan Attorney general when Comcast caps our area. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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12 hours ago, Donut417 said:

You think your ISP catalogs every bit that crosses its network? They aint the NSA. Who you worry about is the MPAA and the RIAA. Those are the fuckers who sue you. As for the government, you think they are going to bring a cases against you for a little copy right violation. Uncle Sam goes for the big fish. Id be more worried about them disconnecting your service. 

 

Ive downloaded stuff myself. That will not stop me from a complaint not only to the FCC but to the Michigan Attorney general when Comcast caps our area. 

So when I do file this complaint am I going to have some dude show up at my door and a court date? I know it seems a but much but I don't want to dig a whole and then fall in it. Then in the whole I don't have internet for more then 3 years. Christ 3 years without internet....

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1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

You think your ISP catalogs every bit that crosses its network? They aint the NSA. Who you worry about is the MPAA and the RIAA. Those are the fuckers who sue you. As for the government, you think they are going to bring a cases against you for a little copy right violation. Uncle Sam goes for the big fish. Id be more worried about them disconnecting your service. 

 

Ive downloaded stuff myself. That will not stop me from a complaint not only to the FCC but to the Michigan Attorney general when Comcast caps our area. 

Thug Lyfe.

 

Your ISP can only see what IP addresses you connect to most of the time. If they kept records of every byte people downloaded, it'd be a porno.

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12 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Thug Lyfe.

 

Your ISP can only see what IP addresses you connect to most of the time. If they kept records of every byte people downloaded, it'd be a porno.

Well YOLO right I am going to file it and see what happens. Hopefully I don't end up on CNN and in the supreme court

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

So when I do file this complaint am I going to have some dude show up at my door and a court date? I know it seems a but much but I don't want to dig a whole and then fall in it. Then in the whole I don't have internet for more then 3 years. Christ 3 years without internet....

At least you'll have company? Unintended or otherwise?

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12 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

At least you'll have company? Unintended or otherwise?

You aren't helping

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

So when I do file this complaint am I going to have some dude show up at my door and a court date? I know it seems a but much but I don't want to dig a whole and then fall in it. Then in the whole I don't have internet for more then 3 years. Christ 3 years without internet....

Comcast has received hundreds of THOUSANDS of FCC complaints because of caps, I dont hear people going to prison for it. Do you know how many people pirate? ARG, they cant catch us all. 

 

Like I said, unless your ISP has gotten complaints for piracy, which they would have forwarded to you. Then they have no clue what you are downloading. Plus its more the up loaders who get caught any way. God if Comcast seen my internet logs........................ They probably think I was in to some kinky shit if you know what I mean. LOL 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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13 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Comcast has received hundreds of THOUSANDS of FCC complaints because of caps, I dont hear people going to prison for it. Do you know how many people pirate? ARG, they cant catch us all. 

 

Like I said, unless your ISP has gotten complaints for piracy, which they would have forwarded to you. Then they have no clue what you are downloading. Plus its more the up loaders who get caught any way. God if Comcast seen my internet logs........................ They probably think I was in to some kinky shit if you know what I mean. LOL 

Hahha. I think what I might do is try to play the phone people. Tell them I know they are throttling Youtube. They will probably deny it so then I will say I will report them or something bad sounding to the FCC if they do not stop. Then if they do stop I will file it anyways. If they don't I will file one and buy a VPN

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3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Comcast has received hundreds of THOUSANDS of FCC complaints because of caps, I dont hear people going to prison for it. Do you know how many people pirate? ARG, they cant catch us all. 

 

Like I said, unless your ISP has gotten complaints for piracy, which they would have forwarded to you. Then they have no clue what you are downloading. Plus its more the up loaders who get caught any way. God if Comcast seen my internet logs........................ They probably think I was in to some kinky shit if you know what I mean. LOL 

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16 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

So I plan to give my ISP a phone call tommorrow about recent problems on their end with there routers and such. But I am also debating calling them out or making a note that they are throttling only certain websites. Youtube for example is 80% slower when not using a VPN and when using a VPN it is the same speed as my download speed. I just don't want to make them mad as they are literally the only ISP so if that happens no more internet forever. Has this worked ever?

call them out if its comcast they may just disconnect you since they dont like to be told what to do .

 

i did it when i had optimum online they weren't happy when i did expect excuses like were at max load you need a  better plan  . dont tell them you used a vpn they can then get nasty . tell them you have contacted your local elected people and they are requesting info this scares the shit out them . you can do it or just bluff, if they call it then nothing happens . if not they fix your connection . i did this add in if this happens again im going to get the govt involved tell them to add a note to the account throttle = isp fined . with net neutrality it should be fairly simple .

 

if your plan has data caps none of this will work they have shit in the contract they can cut your speed if they wish just for you using it . if you don't go nutz on them . also since your connection is slow on youtube they are doing some pack sniffing probably and compression of some type . you don't want customer service you probably want to get to as high in there support department for the internet services

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Here is my 0.02..... source, I work for a large ISP doing Tier 2 support for commercial business lines ranging from T1 to larger than 50 Gig. I also want to preface that this is a rant and venting from work, if I come across as an ass, it isn't directed at you. Oh, and I don't work for Century. :)

 

There is more in play here than many people understand. Your ISP isn't likely going to impose a throttle on your connection to a certain destination. Sure, if you hit and exceed your bandwidth cap, they may throttle your connection or add some charge onto your bill, but I would imagine that this is done via automation, not some tech sitting there changing the configuration on their backbone. 

 

Secondly, know what tools you are using, and what they are supposed to be used for. Traceroute for example, in  networks of today should NOT be used to identify response times to certain destinations along the path. This is because many networks are using MPLS (Multi-Protocol Label Switching) on their core, so it works a bit differently than networks NOT using MPLS. In addition, the ISP's core infrastructure doesn't give two shits about your trace poll that is directed at their device. This traffic is the absolute LOWEST priority traffic those devices see. Sometimes you see responses in the thousands of ms, sometimes it times out completely. This is typically COSMETIC. Many people, business users in NOC's included seem to think that their ping plotter tells them there is an issue on the network, and there absolutely IS an issue, but it is an issue of comprehension on their part, not a network issue. Most of the people like this seem to think that trace route shows a CUMULATIVE delay between each hop, but this isn't the case. Traces are done differently on different platforms, as in the type of packet that is sent out. What happens basically is that the SOURCE sends out packets, incriminating the TTL (Time to Live) on them. The TTL decreases by 1 at each hop, and when it hits 0, that device sends back an ICMP TTL expired, and that is how the trace is done. This is a very basic explanation, not getting into it further than this. But, what you can see using this example, is that the FIRST HOP beyond the modem is well over 1000 ms, while hop number 11 is just over 100ms. A trace should ONLY be used to look at 1 thing, the PATH that the traffic takes between 2 end points, the source, and destination. To look for packet loss or latency, PING should be used. It is quite frequent that I will get someone complaining that they have packet loss on a connection, and they provide a trace output. In your example hop #6 would be what they reference, see, it dropped packets.... Truth is, it doesn't matter. Sure, it didn't respond. I could care LESS why it didn't respond. Throw 10,000 pings at 1,500 bytes from your source to the destination you are trying to reach, oh, what is that, they were all successful, and the average response time looks good? Ok, sounds like you are good to go, there is no trouble there, have a good day!

 

 

NOW..... On to the issue with issues to particular destinations.... From your trace, I see that your ISP is Century, which then hands off to another provider possibly at hop number 3. Need full 2nd octet and 3rd octet to be certain. Not sure who takes it after that. The point is that there could be a few different ISP's in the middle there, PLUS you have to think about the far end as well. You won't often find delay in the middle of a provider network. Sure, there can be some type of outage with traffic re-routed which could cause congestion at points, but this type of this is a Priority 1 all hands on deck issue until it is resolved, generally speaking. The points at which latency and congestion are most LIKELY Seen, are at the end points, and the hand off points between different providers. End points being YOUR ISP connection to your home/business, whatever, and the same connection for the person/company at the far end that you are trying to reach. The hand off points between ISP's, "Peering points" are HUGE connections, and many companies are making strides and increasing bandwidth there, but it is a bureaucratic NIGHTMARE, and takes quite a while the companies play 'lets make a deal' and figure out who is paying for what, etc. etc. This has NOTHING to do with the tech support people, and is all about company management and executives that make the final rulings. In the past few years with the EXPLOSION of video services like Netflix, Hulu, You Tube, etc. etc, these peering points have been getting HAMMERED like crazy, but as noted, things are getting better. NOW.... With the way the internet works, not every webpage or content provider has a connection through every single ISP out there. They usually do with many of the huge Tier 1 ISP's, but not all of the time. So, generally speaking, your traffic DOES flow through your ISP to reach you, it isn't always the case that the traffic stays isolated in their backbone between you and where the data is going to/coming from.

 

Century - https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-174-124-0-0-1

 

In my opinion, jumping to file and FCC/FTC complaint isn't likely going to do much but waste your time. This is my OPINION, because I would imagine that behind their screens, they have people that know what they are doing (most of them anyway). If a complaint comes in saying "slow to youtube, my ISP is throttling me", with that being the extent of the complaint, if I were in that office, that would be an immediate ignore, or delete. No info was provided. Baseless allegations. 

 

What I would pay attention to would be a complaint where someone did their due diligence.

  Did this person contact their ISP to report the issue? Yes? ok

  Did this person contact the FAR END provider they are trying to reach to report the issue? Yes? ok

  Did this person provide details or examples or evidence of this happening at other times as well? Yes? ok.

 

This isn't how I work tickets in my profession, as they often come in with absolutely no information, thanks to both the customers not providing detailed and/or accurate information, and the front line "customer specialists" being people filling in a digital call script checklist. I always call customers back, and tell them that I am trying to isolate where the issue is at, but in order to do that, I need X, Y and Z, otherwise the case needs to be placed on Hold until such time as we get the info. 

 

 

Rant done... Sorry, long winded. I hope you are able to get your issue sorted out, and that I provided some useful information for you to move your issues to resolution more quickly with your ISP! (sorry for any typos, too lazy to proof read right now).

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8 minutes ago, gamerking said:

call them out if its comcast they may just disconnect you since they dont like to be told what to do .

 

i did it when i had optimum online they weren't happy when i did expect excuses like were at max load you need a  better plan  . dont tell them you used a vpn they can then get nasty . tell them you have contacted your local elected people and they are requesting info this scares the shit out them . you can do it or just bluff, if they call it then nothing happens . if not they fix your connection . i did this add in if this happens again im going to get the govt involved tell them to add a note to the account throttle = isp fined . with net neutrality it should be fairly simple .

 

if your plan has data caps none of this will work they have shit in the contract they can cut your speed if they wish just for you using it . if you don't go nutz on them . also since your connection is slow on youtube they are doing some pack sniffing probably and compression of some type . you don't want customer service you probably want to get to as high in there support department for the internet services

For what it is worth, calling them up and making demands, and telling them what to do, or making threats isn't going to get you any traction. See my previous post regarding my experience. An attitude like that is likely to get you placed on hold for longer, or just delay in the resolution of your issue. 

 

In my opinion, it is BECAUSE of callers like this that make it bad for everyone else. If people could just make a call and report an issue being knowledgeable, forward, and kind, they will find the experience to be much better for them. 

 

I take pride in what I do, and have been doing it more than a decade. Can confirm, being a dick on the phone is just going to hurt YOU in the long run. 

 

Have an issue that hasn't been getting traction? Cool! The tech you are speaking to LIKELY hasn't seen it, so getting mad at them isn't going to make them pull a fix out of their ass for you right away. Let them know you are displeased with the progress on the issue, and that you'd appreciate if they were able to either get the issue escalated to the next Tier of support, and/or to a manager for review. 

 

Since I have been at my role with my employer, things like this have helped me to get any support issues I need looked at, not even with my company, pretty snappy, because I know how to talk to people, and get them to go to bat for me. Being a dick isn't the way to accomplish that.

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17 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

So I plan to give my ISP a phone call tommorrow about recent problems on their end with there routers and such. But I am also debating calling them out or making a note that they are throttling only certain websites. Youtube for example is 80% slower when not using a VPN and when using a VPN it is the same speed as my download speed. I just don't want to make them mad as they are literally the only ISP so if that happens no more internet forever. Has this worked ever?

You're going to call up and yell at a poor tier 1 tech support person making minimum wage. You won't be able to reach anybody who can actually help.

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13 hours ago, Ziggidy said:

Here is my 0.02..... source, I work for a large ISP doing Tier 2 support for commercial business lines ranging from T1 to larger than 50 Gig. I also want to preface that this is a rant and venting from work, if I come across as an ass, it isn't directed at you. Oh, and I don't work for Century. :)

 

There is more in play here than many people understand. Your ISP isn't likely going to impose a throttle on your connection to a certain destination. Sure, if you hit and exceed your bandwidth cap, they may throttle your connection or add some charge onto your bill, but I would imagine that this is done via automation, not some tech sitting there changing the configuration on their backbone. 

 

Secondly, know what tools you are using, and what they are supposed to be used for. Traceroute for example, in  networks of today should NOT be used to identify response times to certain destinations along the path. This is because many networks are using MPLS (Multi-Protocol Label Switching) on their core, so it works a bit differently than networks NOT using MPLS. In addition, the ISP's core infrastructure doesn't give two shits about your trace poll that is directed at their device. This traffic is the absolute LOWEST priority traffic those devices see. Sometimes you see responses in the thousands of ms, sometimes it times out completely. This is typically COSMETIC. Many people, business users in NOC's included seem to think that their ping plotter tells them there is an issue on the network, and there absolutely IS an issue, but it is an issue of comprehension on their part, not a network issue. Most of the people like this seem to think that trace route shows a CUMULATIVE delay between each hop, but this isn't the case. Traces are done differently on different platforms, as in the type of packet that is sent out. What happens basically is that the SOURCE sends out packets, incriminating the TTL (Time to Live) on them. The TTL decreases by 1 at each hop, and when it hits 0, that device sends back an ICMP TTL expired, and that is how the trace is done. This is a very basic explanation, not getting into it further than this. But, what you can see using this example, is that the FIRST HOP beyond the modem is well over 1000 ms, while hop number 11 is just over 100ms. A trace should ONLY be used to look at 1 thing, the PATH that the traffic takes between 2 end points, the source, and destination. To look for packet loss or latency, PING should be used. It is quite frequent that I will get someone complaining that they have packet loss on a connection, and they provide a trace output. In your example hop #6 would be what they reference, see, it dropped packets.... Truth is, it doesn't matter. Sure, it didn't respond. I could care LESS why it didn't respond. Throw 10,000 pings at 1,500 bytes from your source to the destination you are trying to reach, oh, what is that, they were all successful, and the average response time looks good? Ok, sounds like you are good to go, there is no trouble there, have a good day!

 

 

NOW..... On to the issue with issues to particular destinations.... From your trace, I see that your ISP is Century, which then hands off to another provider possibly at hop number 3. Need full 2nd octet and 3rd octet to be certain. Not sure who takes it after that. The point is that there could be a few different ISP's in the middle there, PLUS you have to think about the far end as well. You won't often find delay in the middle of a provider network. Sure, there can be some type of outage with traffic re-routed which could cause congestion at points, but this type of this is a Priority 1 all hands on deck issue until it is resolved, generally speaking. The points at which latency and congestion are most LIKELY Seen, are at the end points, and the hand off points between different providers. End points being YOUR ISP connection to your home/business, whatever, and the same connection for the person/company at the far end that you are trying to reach. The hand off points between ISP's, "Peering points" are HUGE connections, and many companies are making strides and increasing bandwidth there, but it is a bureaucratic NIGHTMARE, and takes quite a while the companies play 'lets make a deal' and figure out who is paying for what, etc. etc. This has NOTHING to do with the tech support people, and is all about company management and executives that make the final rulings. In the past few years with the EXPLOSION of video services like Netflix, Hulu, You Tube, etc. etc, these peering points have been getting HAMMERED like crazy, but as noted, things are getting better. NOW.... With the way the internet works, not every webpage or content provider has a connection through every single ISP out there. They usually do with many of the huge Tier 1 ISP's, but not all of the time. So, generally speaking, your traffic DOES flow through your ISP to reach you, it isn't always the case that the traffic stays isolated in their backbone between you and where the data is going to/coming from.

 

Century - https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-174-124-0-0-1

 

In my opinion, jumping to file and FCC/FTC complaint isn't likely going to do much but waste your time. This is my OPINION, because I would imagine that behind their screens, they have people that know what they are doing (most of them anyway). If a complaint comes in saying "slow to youtube, my ISP is throttling me", with that being the extent of the complaint, if I were in that office, that would be an immediate ignore, or delete. No info was provided. Baseless allegations. 

 

What I would pay attention to would be a complaint where someone did their due diligence.

  Did this person contact their ISP to report the issue? Yes? ok

  Did this person contact the FAR END provider they are trying to reach to report the issue? Yes? ok

  Did this person provide details or examples or evidence of this happening at other times as well? Yes? ok.

 

This isn't how I work tickets in my profession, as they often come in with absolutely no information, thanks to both the customers not providing detailed and/or accurate information, and the front line "customer specialists" being people filling in a digital call script checklist. I always call customers back, and tell them that I am trying to isolate where the issue is at, but in order to do that, I need X, Y and Z, otherwise the case needs to be placed on Hold until such time as we get the info. 

 

 

Rant done... Sorry, long winded. I hope you are able to get your issue sorted out, and that I provided some useful information for you to move your issues to resolution more quickly with your ISP! (sorry for any typos, too lazy to proof read right now).

Thank you. Any ideas on why my ping would be so high and my download and upload speeds be so low? It happened yesterday and now it happened again today. It only lasted about 2 minutes or less today. I was thinking of calling my ISP when it happens but the timing would have to be perfect. Also what are the fees and taxes involed in ISP bills. I have $21 in taxes from my state broadband tax to random things. Is there really a tax on internet?

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13 hours ago, JoeyDM said:

You're going to call up and yell at a poor tier 1 tech support person making minimum wage. You won't be able to reach anybody who can actually help.

At first I tried a chat online and after explaining things they said it was out of their knowledge and transfered me to a second person on the phone in the same department. I ended hanging up when they neglected what I was saying and tried to sell me new tablets if I partnered with Verizion instead of AT&T. They should make an advanced help or something

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Thank you. Any ideas on why my ping would be so high and my download and upload speeds be so low? It happened yesterday and now it happened again today. It only lasted about 2 minutes or less today. I was thinking of calling my ISP when it happens but the timing would have to be perfect. Also what are the fees and taxes involed in ISP bills. I have $21 in taxes from my state broadband tax to random things. Is there really a tax on internet?

they are pack sniffing you so the high ping is from that they are watching every packet and checking it aganist a list they have  and if its something they dont like they throw it back to the end of list till it makes it way back up then they let it thur . so silly high ping then

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8 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

At first I tried a chat online and after explaining things they said it was out of their knowledge and transfered me to a second person on the phone in the same department. I ended hanging up when they neglected what I was saying and tried to sell me new tablets if I partnered with Verizion instead of AT&T. They should make an advanced help or something

Seriously? Who do you think you're talking to? You're talking to people who are minimum wage, and very likely interns or temps, about regional-national business decisions.

 

You won't be able to reach anybody who can do anything about throttling or the general state of their equipment. Not even being put beyond t3 tech support to an engineer would help. We're talking specific Sr. Directors and above.

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It would depend on what you were pinging, and where you were up/downloading from. If you are running to a destination within your network (same ISP), the MOST likely cause would be congestion at some point in the network. This is generally what I find when customers complain of bandwidth issues. 

 

I skimmed again, but didn't catch what type of service exactly you have, be it cable, DSL, etc. They are a bit different, but it is all the same on the back end when you get down to it. Sure DSL is a dedicated line to your house, but at the DSLAM, it is a shared uplink port into their network. Cable nodes are similar I believe, but I don't work with that type of technology or infrastructure, so I can't really comment about cable specifically. 

 

Is it possible that you have something on your network which could be putting traffic on the line at various times, automatic software updates (PC or console), virus traffic, etc. etc?

 

What I would do is shut down wireless, disconnect all but 1 single host on the network, run scans to ensure no virus/malware on the machine which could factor in, and see if the issue continues. If it does, place a ticket with the ISP, explain that you have a single host on the network, no virus traffic, no malware traffic, etc, and need them to check to see if they are for some reason seeing congestion on your line, or on a trunk near you.

 

 

As for pricing, that is way out of my league. As I support commercial products, things are in the hundreds per month for a 10 meg bi-directional line per month, if not in the thousands. What I CAN say about taxes is, you betcha they will be on a bill.... Only 2 things guaranteed in life, death & taxes.

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It would depend on what you were pinging, and where you were up/downloading from. If you are running to a destination within your network (same ISP), the MOST likely cause would be congestion at some point in the network. This is generally what I find when customers complain of bandwidth issues. 

 

I skimmed again, but didn't catch what type of service exactly you have, be it cable, DSL, etc. They are a bit different, but it is all the same on the back end when you get down to it. Sure DSL is a dedicated line to your house, but at the DSLAM, it is a shared uplink port into their network. Cable nodes are similar I believe, but I don't work with that type of technology or infrastructure, so I can't really comment about cable specifically. 

 

Is it possible that you have something on your network which could be putting traffic on the line at various times, automatic software updates (PC or console), virus traffic, etc. etc?

 

What I would do is shut down wireless, disconnect all but 1 single host on the network, run scans to ensure no virus/malware on the machine which could factor in, and see if the issue continues. If it does, place a ticket with the ISP, explain that you have a single host on the network, no virus traffic, no malware traffic, etc, and need them to check to see if they are for some reason seeing congestion on your line, or on a trunk near you.

 

 

As for pricing, that is way out of my league. As I support commercial products, things are in the hundreds per month for a 10 meg bi-directional line per month, if not in the thousands. What I CAN say about taxes is, you betcha they will be on a bill.... Only 2 things guaranteed in life, death & taxes.

I have DSL 10Mb/s down .75Mb/s up. When it happens again I am going to open Wire Shark and see if anything unusual is happening. When someone is uploading something usually only the ping is higher. Probably 600ms or around that. Downloads my ping is 60ms or less just the download speed is about 3Mb/s less. Which 2000ms and a few weeks ago I hit 10000ms ping which seems pretty crazy. My speeds also are thrown out the window. When it happens again how can I document it in the best way to help them understand the problem?

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You haven't specified directly as to what you mean by the ping being higher, I am going to make an assumption that you are running a speed test of some kind, and that is where the ping is seen elevated. If this is the case, is the test server on the SAME ISP backbone as yours? You should see somewhere whom is hosting the server. If you aren't running it with one on your backbone, I would recommend trying to do so, the less pieces to the puzzle, the easier it is to isolate where the issue is at...

 

As for documentation, I would keep a TEXT log of what you are seeing. Text is going to be best, because you can email it to them, and they can place it directly in their ticket log. I can't even begin to say how annoying it is to ask someone for info as text, and they will send a trace as a screen shot attached to a MS word file in an email... "why have I been on hold for 10 minutes?" "That would be because you refuse to give me text, and I am sitting here NOT looking into your issue, but transcribing an image to text to document the issue in my case". SO yeah, save a notepad file or something with DATES, TIMES, and what was seen that that particular time/date.

 

Got some things to do, will check back on this later...

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If they are the only ISP in your area then don't piss them off unless you're willing to go without internet. They are not legally required to offer you internet access so they can refuse to offer service to you at any time. Assuming you are willing to spend a few grand to take them to court or you file reports against various agencies it will take a few months at the very least for anything to happen and even then you might not be allowed to use their service in the future.

 

Basically you can't go into somebody else's house, berate them and give them crap for something (true or not) and then get mad when they force you to leave and are never allowed back.

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13 hours ago, Ziggidy said:

You haven't specified directly as to what you mean by the ping being higher, I am going to make an assumption that you are running a speed test of some kind, and that is where the ping is seen elevated. If this is the case, is the test server on the SAME ISP backbone as yours? You should see somewhere whom is hosting the server. If you aren't running it with one on your backbone, I would recommend trying to do so, the less pieces to the puzzle, the easier it is to isolate where the issue is at...

 

As for documentation, I would keep a TEXT log of what you are seeing. Text is going to be best, because you can email it to them, and they can place it directly in their ticket log. I can't even begin to say how annoying it is to ask someone for info as text, and they will send a trace as a screen shot attached to a MS word file in an email... "why have I been on hold for 10 minutes?" "That would be because you refuse to give me text, and I am sitting here NOT looking into your issue, but transcribing an image to text to document the issue in my case". SO yeah, save a notepad file or something with DATES, TIMES, and what was seen that that particular time/date.

 

Got some things to do, will check back on this later...

The problem is I cannot connect to any site because my ping, tested on ISPs website, is over 2000ms and my download and upload speeds are well below 200Kb/s and upload is about 10Kb/s. This would explain the high ping but why the slow speeds? 

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13 hours ago, KuJoe said:

If they are the only ISP in your area then don't piss them off unless you're willing to go without internet. They are not legally required to offer you internet access so they can refuse to offer service to you at any time. Assuming you are willing to spend a few grand to take them to court or you file reports against various agencies it will take a few months at the very least for anything to happen and even then you might not be allowed to use their service in the future.

 

Basically you can't go into somebody else's house, berate them and give them crap for something (true or not) and then get mad when they force you to leave and are never allowed back.

No I am just going to suck it up for the next 2 or so years and use a VPN to get the speeds I want. The problem now is the internet just randomly slows down to nothing and I don't think it is me. It could be but I had called them a couple months before and I was on the phone with a person for over 3 hours setting everything up and testing. 1 PC on the network, ethernet connection, their modem and so on. Yet the problem continued. The problem is when I ask them anything they have no clue. So I think I might go to their local office and have a technician come out. See that it isn't use then explain it to them and have them check our hardware. 

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

No I am just going to suck it up for the next 2 or so years and use a VPN to get the speeds I want

Hopefully within 2 years there will be another ISP in the area.

-KuJoe

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