About To Push The Button

[jerryeight]

Why did you select trident RAM over say, sniper or ripjaw x?

 

The Trident are their highest quality ones and I really did not want to have any issues with them in the future so I just went with the best. I have a friend that built a rig 2 years ago using the ripjaws and it is still going strong though. 

[Sephiroth]

Hi... I'm about to push the button . I'm going to have NCIX build it for me... Does anyone have any last second pieces of advice or tweaks to give me before I spend $2K?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($435.36 @ NCIX)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ NCIX)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($159.99 @ NCIX)

Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ NCIX)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($669.99 @ NCIX)

Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans

Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan ($16.99 @ NCIX)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan

Total: $1962.28

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 19:14 EST-0500

 

I hope I'm not too late. Make sure you're okay paying for the higher prices; MSRP on the 980 Strix from asus is $559.99 (I know because I contacted ASUS to verify this when Origin PC was trying to charge me almost $700 for it as an upgrade; yes i know I paid a lot more than i could have for the Origin PC, but their upgrade warranty and free promotional items was worth it for me). The 4790K is also priced about $100 more than the MSRP, and should only run ~$300 for the non K version. Furthermore, I recommend the Samsung 850 Evo; same 3D V-NAND, still has the 10 year warranty, but currently less than $150 for the 250 GB at Newegg, 500 GB if you don't mind spending $50 more than you have for your 850 Pro. I have 2 850 Pros in RAID 0 currently and love them, getting a solid GB read/write, but if the 850 Evo was out when I did my build, I would have used that.

 

That being said, if you don't mind paying extra because you are like me and want a more simple warranty and/or are too busy/lazy to build it yourself, this isn't a bad option. 

[Zuzu]

@Sephiroth these are in Canadian dollars

[stconquest]

@Zuzu Give this a watch.  I believe you would be fine with the 650W (even if you added another 970), but the 750 is okay too:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWThqgFfI4

[Sephiroth]

@Sephiroth these are in Canadian dollars

 

Ahh. Well then, I take back nearly everything I mentioned, as the prices more or less check out after the exchange rate lol. I still think you might want to consider an 850 EVO vs the 850 PRO given their nearly identical performance; the EVO would either allow a significantly cheaper SSD for the 250 or slightly more expensive for double the capacity at 500. For a solid comparison of the two, check out http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Samsung-850-Pro-256GB/2977vs2385. ?You can see how they stack up against all the competition at the more generic link http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/. The short of it, in effective speed, the 850 EVO is only surpassed by the 850 PRO, given its read/write average ~20MB/Sec slower, but it is the best value as far as cost effectiveness goes. 

[NumLock21]

Build it yourself, you get to know more about the components and sense of achievement when the thing boots up.

[Zuzu]

Ahh. Well then, I take back nearly everything I mentioned, as the prices more or less check out after the exchange rate lol. I still think you might want to consider an 850 EVO vs the 850 PRO given their nearly identical performance; the EVO would either allow a significantly cheaper SSD for the 250 or slightly more expensive for double the capacity at 500. For a solid comparison of the two, check out http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Samsung-850-Pro-256GB/2977vs2385. ?You can see how they stack up against all the competition at the more generic link http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/. The short of it, in effective speed, the 850 EVO is only surpassed by the 850 PRO, given its read/write average ~20MB/Sec slower, but it is the best value as far as cost effectiveness goes.

So do you think I should replace the current 512 SSD that I have in this build with the Samsung?:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($368.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler

Motherboard: Asus Z97-AR ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($177.66 @ TigerDirect Canada)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($169.99 @ Canada Computers)

Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($228.98 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($398.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.98 @ NCIX)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Total: $1698.40

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 17:18 EST-0500

[stconquest]

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te500bw

 

Go nuts, it is a bit faster.  $20.

 

I checked that SSD benchmark site thing posted here.  I am not so sure how good those benches are, seemed way off from what some drives should be.  Example:  Users had contributed speeds of way over 400MB/s Sequential Write Speed for the Crucial MX100 256GB model.  That MX100 (and the M500 240GB) only have a reported sequential write speed of up to 300 MB/s and 250 MB/s respectively.  Seems weird, I would not trust those results.

 

@Zuzu

 

Note, we don't get "be quiet!s" up here in Canada =D...scratch that, we do.  The liquid coolers are really better for cooling.  People say that air cooling can be just as good... but in real world performance, liquid will remove heat much, much faster.  Example:  You stress your cpu and the temp goes up from 35 degrees to 65.  You stop the stress test and clock speed returns to normal.  Liquid will bring that temperature back down to 35 much faster than any air cooler.

[stconquest]

How much are those be quiet fans costing you?   Remember, at $6 the Sickleflow are more powerful and less than 3 dbA louder.  Any fan under 27 dbA is okay.  I like it lower than 25 though.

[Zuzu]

That's true but because of the pumps and all, liquid coolers are louder then air coolers and that's why I opted for the be quiet fans.

They are costing about US$25 per fan.. Kind of expensive yeah.

[stconquest]

That's true but because of the pumps and all, liquid coolers are louder then air coolers and that's why I opted for the be quiet fans.

They are costing about US$25 per fan.. Kind of expensive yeah.

lol, don't waste your money on that sh*t.

 

$6, 19 dbA, can't go wrong.  68 cfm, 2.8mmH2O static pressure

[stconquest]

The pump on my Coolit ECO was not loud at all.  I have a 212 on this machine, but we can check nose level on different cooler pumps if you want.  Only pick Liquid if you want to be able to aggressively overclock...like me on my Phenom II X6 CPU (had to try and keep up with the Intel boys).

 

Liquid coolers do have more moving parts, more things can go wrong... but don't think like that.  One of my friends had his Corsair pump fail out of the box... he noticed the temp at 90 degrees in the bios.  Sent it back, got a new one... ran stock until then.

[stconquest]

I like my PC quiet too.  I always have a fan controller in my build.

 

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-fan-controller-bfarcnksrp

 

You don't have drive bays in your fancy NZXT for that though =D.

 

[Zuzu]

I think it would be better if I dealt with something that has less chance of going wrong because I'm not very experienced, and besides, I don't plan to overclock at all anytime soon or even in future. Here are the two builds that are plausible right now based on that (-the BeQuiet fans , will get sickleflow instead):

Overclocking Ready:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($368.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler

Motherboard: Asus Z97-AR ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($177.66 @ TigerDirect Canada)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($169.99 @ Canada Computers)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($285.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($398.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.98 @ NCIX)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Total: $1755.40

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 17:51 EST-0500

Non-Overclocking:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($333.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler

Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.15 @ DirectCanada)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($169.99 @ Canada Computers)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($285.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($398.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.98 @ NCIX)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm Fan

Total: $1654.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 17:59 EST-0500

[Zuzu]

Also, do you think the 750W PSU is overkill?

@stconquest

[stconquest]

Also, do you think the 750W PSU is overkill?

@stconquest

 

Could be, I want to tell you to go for the 650w for efficiency, but I run a 750w.  I probably don't use 350 of those watts, so yeah.  If i had a 650w, I would be more likely to recommend a lower wattage.

[stconquest]

I think it would be better if I dealt with something that has less chance of going wrong because I'm not very experienced, and besides, I don't plan to overclock at all anytime soon or even in future. Here are the two builds that are plausible right now based on that (-the BeQuiet fans , will get sickleflow instead):

Overclocking Ready:

Total: $1755.40

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 17:51 EST-0500

Non-Overclocking:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Total: $1654.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 17:59 EST-0500

  This drive....why spend more?  http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te500bw

 

Maximum Read Transfer Rate    540 MBps Maximum Write Transfer Rate    520 MBps Random 4KB Read    98000IOPS Random 4KB Write    90000IOPS

 

...good numbers

[Zuzu]

@stconquest Ah okay. So which of the two builds do you recommend? Any tweaks or do they look alright to start buying the parts?

[stconquest]

Definitely this one:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($368.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97-AR ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($177.66 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($169.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($248.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.98 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm  Fan
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 2 50.5 CFM 120mm  Fan Except for these crazy expensive fans.
Total: $1718.40 + 223 Tax
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-13 18:11 EST-0500

[Zuzu]

This drive....why spend more? http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te500bw

Maximum Read Transfer Rate 540 MBps Maximum Write Transfer Rate 520 MBps Random 4KB Read 98000IOPS Random 4KB Write 90000IOPS

...good numbers

Interesting... Why the vast price difference, you think? Are those the only things that are different?

[stconquest]

Interesting... Why the vast price difference, you think? Are those the only things that are different?

 

lemme look....1 sec

 

@Zuzu same specs...must be new generation.

[Zuzu]

By the way @stconquest

What are the differences between these two?

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz16gx3m2a1600c10

And

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz16gx3m2a1600c9

[stconquest]

By the way @stconquest

What are the differences between these two?

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz16gx3m2a1600c10

And

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz16gx3m2a1600c9

 

 

The cheaper ones for 162.99 are faster... not by much at all.  look at the CAS or CL...one set is CL10, the other is CL9.  Those are the RAMs rated timings, lower is better.

[Zuzu]

Computer parts pricing is so weird. Lol.

[stconquest]

lol

 

@Zuzu Note:  if you divide the CL rating (CL9) by the clock speed of the RAM (1600 Mhz), you can see the amount of time it takes for the RAM to respond to a request...oops 1 sec...fixed, had them backward.

 

0.005625 seconds