AMD suggests 16NM finfet chiprs aren't comming in 2015

[XTankSlayerX]

 

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 The latest teaser coming from the “Red Team” camp invokes an imminent APU and GPU fabrication process shift, pretty much quashing hopes for seeing 16 nanometer FinFET designs hit the mainstream in 2015.

In the suggestive words of AMD’s very own Chief Technology Officer, Mark Papermaster, “we have our FinFET designs well underway, but we won’t be the first user, the bleeding edge of any new technology node.” In other words, the company’s designs are unlikely to start using the newest 16nm FinFET production process until 2016.

 

It’s an understandable statement. AMD products have yet to hit 20nm, never mind 16nm, so they need to cross the former milestone first. The company isn’t far behind the curve in this regard, as GPU competitor Nvidia hasn’t hit 20nm yet, either, and many mobile SoCs are still built on a 28nm production node. But this does put AMD far behind big fish like Apple, Intel and Qualcomm.

 

Mark Papermaster emphasized 28 and 20-nanometer AMD products are in the works for 2015 releases, but sadly, mentioned nothing specific of rumored Caribbean Islands GPUs or revamped Carrizo APUs. We only heard that Carrizo is “very, very power optimized, with very, very efficient CPU and graphics”, and that the focus of the company’s engineers was on the design’s “attributes” rather than squarely the nanometer count.

 

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Im not a AMD User myself but seeing technology advance forward regardless of who's doing it is always a good thing

[ilikemacandpc]

WOOHOO! GO GLOFO! BEST FAB EVER!

[Gofspar]

Finally catching up to Intel. >.> *cough* Ivy bridge *cough*

[the jolly roger]

plz, amd needs a new architecture, the fx series are old, and kaveri is budget, and will bottleneck most high end stuff, plz amd

[Fahrenheit]

Better for them to develop a better platform then to rush one out  

[Techhog]

Welp, there's the nail in the coffin for AMD.

[The Crazed Child]

I don't care, a smaller process node isn't going to increase IPC by any means

[SurvivorNVL]

Hopefully we find them with 20nm GPU's after Christmas and maybe a teaser of what is to come in the FX department with maybe a pre-Zen launch.  Something of equivelant performance to say Sandy-E or Ivy-E, but with extreme value and a new socket design.  I can hope, atleast. ;-;

[patrickjp93]

Finally catching up to Intel. >.> *cough* Ivy bridge *cough*

They need to catch up to Sandy before they go after Ivy.

[patrickjp93]

Hopefully we find them with 20nm GPU's after Christmas and maybe a teaser of what is to come in the FX department with maybe a pre-Zen launch. Something of equivelant performance to say Sandy-E or Ivy-E, but with extreme value and a new socket design. I can hope, atleast. ;-;

Zen is going to be an APU... Don't know why you people think it will be a dedicated CPU like the FX series. Even Intel is dumping socket 2011 with Skylake. Everything is going iGPU for heterogeneous acceleration.

[patrickjp93]

I don't care, a smaller process node isn't going to increase IPC by any means

Facepalm* Broadwell did exactly that. By shortening the data path Intel shaved 2 cycles off the floating point operations from the original 5. That's a 40% IPC gain for a subset of instructions based purely on the benefits of a process shrink.

[SurvivorNVL]

Zen is going to be an APU... Don't know why you people think it will be a dedicated CPU like the FX series. Even Intel is dumping socket 2011 with Skylake. Everything is going iGPU for heterogeneous acceleration.

I still dream.

[The Crazed Child]

Facepalm* Broadwell did exactly that. By shortening the data path Intel shaved 2 cycles off the floating point operations from the original 5. That's a 40% IPC gain for a subset of instructions based purely on the benefits of a process shrink.

topkek

[Silent_Xaxal]

Zen is going to be an APU... Don't know why you people think it will be a dedicated CPU like the FX series. Even Intel is dumping socket 2011 with Skylake. Everything is going iGPU for heterogeneous acceleration.

 

Didn't they already drop 2011?

[Silent_Xaxal]

topkek

 

I assume you were only referring to AMD with your previous post right? It's fine, since patrickjp93 was likely referring to the overall market with his.

[The Crazed Child]

I assume you were only referring to AMD with your previous post right? It's fine, since patrickjp93 was likely referring to the overall market with his.

I was referring to AMD

[Silent_Xaxal]

I was referring to AMD

 

Well that clarifies everything.

[Opcode]

They need to catch up to Sandy before they go after Ivy.

Already surpassed Sandy Bridge's process node. Sandy Bridge was on 32 nm and Kaveri is on 28 nm.

[Suika]

I'm actually excited to see how well an APU will perform on even a 20nm manufacturing node, let alone 16nm.

[Opcode]

I'm actually excited to see how well an APU will perform on even a 20nm manufacturing node, let alone 16nm.

I'm even more excited to see how well Excavator performs. With the use of HDL its equivalent to a full process node improvement. So easily 15-30% increase in performance per watt. Hopefully Carrizo makes it to the desktop and overclocking isn't hindered by HDL. Otherwise AMD might break Sandy Bridge IPC waters easily this time around.

[Master Disaster]

One question, what's a chipr?

[HippY]

plz, amd needs a new architecture, the fx series are old, and kaveri is budget, and will bottleneck most high end stuff, plz amd

there will be, called Zen, probably on 20nm, not on the 16, it will be a further step

 

I'm even more excited to see how well Excavator performs. With the use of HDL its equivalent to a full process node improvement. So easily 15-30% increase in performance per watt. Hopefully Carrizo makes it to the desktop and overclocking isn't hindered by HDL. Otherwise AMD might break Sandy Bridge IPC waters easily this time around.

they are using Jim Keller, who created some great desktop CPUs in the past and who created the iPhone CPUs, and you can think whatever you want from iPhone, their CPUs are on the top at mobile processor

[Godlygamer23]

Could you have made the AMD logo any bigger?

[Opcode]

they are using Jim Keller, who created some great desktop CPUs in the past and who created the iPhone CPUs, and you can think whatever you want from iPhone, their CPUs are on the top at mobile processor

For Zen yes, Jim Killer was the guy behind the Athlon XP and Athlon 64 processors that dominated Intel in the market. Tho I doubt he has much to do with Excavator while in charge of designing an entirely new architecture from scratch. AMD promises 10% gain in IPC with each future Bulldozer iteration on top of HDL which is equivalent to a full process node improvement. So we should be seeing a 20% increase at least in IPC with Excavator. Tho rumor milled to hell that we wont see Excavator on the desktop but only a Kaveri refresh.

[cesrai]

plz, amd needs a new architecture, the fx series are old, and kaveri is budget, and will bottleneck most high end stuff, plz amd

Have you even been keeping up, the will release carrizo and zen