Which would cool better?

[Lays]

I have 6 inches of space in the front of my r4 to work with, and 2.6322 inches of that has to be pump+reservoir, so I'm planning rad thickness right now, perhaps someone could help me out?

 

I can either do push/pull 60mm thick radiator in the front, with 600 RPM fan speeds on my Gentle Typhoons, or I can do push 600 RPM gentle typhoons on an 80mm thick radiator.

Not much air gets moved through the radiator I had that was 60mm thick with my GT's at 600 RPM, I think stepping up to 80mm would only make it more difficult.

 

Would an 80mm thick rad with 600 RPM fans cool better than push/pull 60mm radiator @ 600 RPM?

 

(PS I don't want to change fan speed, they make zero noise at 600 RPM.)

[TheEpicCanadian]

If the FPI on the rad is low I would go for push  and 80mm if it's a dense rad I'd do push/pull on a 60mm

[Lays]

@VSG @airdeano if you're awake, I know you're pretty knowledgeable about these things, halp pls when you're not busy

[Maxwit44]

I'd do push type fan setup in there, and just leave extra space alone. Quiet type static pressure fans of your choice.

 

But thats me.

[TheDigitalRealm]

What radiator will you be using? As others have stated, the FPI of the radiator makes a big difference, for example, I have two 60mm thick radiators, but only went with push, due to the fpi of the radiator being low. As far as I'm aware, most/all alphacool radiators have a pretty low FPI. In this case though, we're looking at two very thick radiators, so even with a low fpi, fans at a low RPM are going to struggle.

 

If both the 60 and 80mm radiators are going to be low fpi. I'd wager the 60mm in push-pull would perform similarly if not slightly better than the 80mm with a single set of fans. 

[Lays]

What radiator will you be using? As others have stated, the FPI of the radiator makes a big difference, for example, I have two 60mm thick radiators, but only went with push, due to the fpi of the radiator being low. As far as I'm aware, most/all alphacool radiators have a pretty low FPI. In this case though, we're looking at two very thick radiators, so even with a low fpi, fans at a low RPM are going to 

 

If both the 60 and 80mm radiators are going to be low fpi. I'd wager the 60mm in push-pull would perform similarly if not slightly better than the 80mm with a single set of fans. 

 

 

Did you stop your sentence before finishing it?

[TheDigitalRealm]

Did you stop your sentence before finishing it?

LOL! Sorry, I've got a lot knocking around in my head at the moment. add the word "struggle" to the end, and it makes much more sense.  

[Lays]

LOL! Sorry, I've got a lot knocking around in my head at the moment. add the word "struggle" to the end, and it makes much more sense.

 

 

Yeah the fans already struggle pretty hard at such low rpm, so I think push/pull may be the same, but I'm not sure. Hopefully someone gets on soon with experience in this and can help out.

 

( alphacool ut60 has 10 FPI, the monsta has 14?)

 

this is all I could find with FPI info about the monsta: http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/Alphacool-NexXxoS-Monsta-360mm-Triple-Radiator--Full-Copper-pid-15962.html

[TheDigitalRealm]

Yeah the fans already struggle pretty hard at such low rpm, so I think push/pull may be the same, but I'm not sure. Hopefully someone gets on soon with experience in this and can help out.

 

( alphacool ut60 has 10 FPI, the monsta has 14?)

 

this is all I could find with FPI info about the monsta: http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/Alphacool-NexXxoS-Monsta-360mm-Triple-Radiator--Full-Copper-pid-15962.html

 

That's strange, I'd have assumed they'd have the same FPI across all their models. To make an already restrictive 80mm thick radiator even more so with the more dense fin array....it doesn't make sense. 

 

Well, seeing as it's a higher FPI, I'd recommend a 60mm radiator in push-pull, as a single set of fans are really going to struggle at such a low RPM.

[Bagmup]

Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the monsta rad, anything past 60mm thick is a bit of a gimmick imo. The E-loops on my 30mm rad push a lot of air through them and are virtually silent. Even push/pull is a bit of a wank done for show.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_1471&products_id=23078

[Lays]

Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the monsta rad, anything past 60mm thick is a bit of a gimmick imo. The E-loops on my 30mm rad push a lot of air through them and are virtually silent. Even push/pull is a bit of a wank done for show.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_1471&products_id=23078

 

Push pull made a huge difference for me at 600 rpm on my 60mm 480 rads, I  push pulled one radiator, and dropped 4 degrees without increasing fan speed (that was only one radiator as well, if I did it on the other rad, it may have been 5-6 degrees, maybe more.

 

Push/pull has always made a decent difference at higher thickness-es and higher FPI, but for some reason people like linus test it with h100i's, which is a bit of a joke IMO.

 

I already have 8 gentle typhoons, so it's not like I'd have to spend extra money on fans, as I already have enough for 2 on a 240mm in the roof of my r4, and 6 on the 360mm in the front if I push pull.

[Bagmup]

Push pull made a huge difference for me at 600 rpm on my 60mm 480's, I  push pulled one radiator, and dropped 4 degrees without increasing fan speed

Yeah sorry, I forgot you were running your fans so slow. In that case I'd still forget about the monsta and go push/pull on the 60mm.

Or try different fans if you're game, like I said, running my E-loops @12v, I was blown away by the virtual silence of the noiseblockers, I was expecting to have to buy 7v leads.

[Lays]

Yeah sorry, I forgot you were running your fans so slow. In that case I'd still forget about the monsta and go push/pull on the 60mm.

Or try different fans if you're game, like I said, running my E-loops @12v, I was blown away by the virtual silence of the noiseblockers, I was expecting to have to buy 7v leads.

 

 

Gt's are quieter than e loops by a little bit(like a tiny tiny tiny bit), so I probably won't be switching the fans,  Previously had NF-F12's, switched to my Gt's and will probably never switch to anything ever again

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1389355/fan-testing-round-12-begins-thanks-to-cpachris-and-prymus-nb-e-loop-sp120-nf-f12-cougar-vortex-pwm-vortex-red-led-pirahna-ap-45

 

 

I think the push/pull would be better, but I'm just not sure.  I posted on overclock.net to see if anyone there can help as well.

[Bagmup]

Gt's are quieter than e loops by a little bit, I won't be switching the fans, they're just too dam good Previously had NF-F12's, switched to my Gt's and will probably never switch to anything ever again

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1389355/fan-testing-round-12-begins-thanks-to-cpachris-and-prymus-nb-e-loop-sp120-nf-f12-cougar-vortex-pwm-vortex-red-led-pirahna-ap-45

 

 

I think the push/pull would be better, but I'm just not sure.  I posted on overclock.net to see if anyone there can help as well.

He used the faster E-loops, mine are the 1300rpm model, you can also get 800rpm ones

[Lays]

He used the faster E-loops, mine are the 1300rpm model, you can also get 800rpm ones

 

 

Then it should be a toss-up, in which case it'd be really pointless to sell all my fans and spend another ~$200-300

[Bagmup]

Then it should be a toss-up, in which case it'd be really pointless to sell all my fans and spend another ~$200-300

Go push/pull, do you have enough GT's though? They're rare as rocking horse shit

[Lays]

Go push/pull, do you have enough GT's though? They're rare as rocking horse shit

 

Yeah I have 8, 2 for the top 240 and 6 for the top 360 if I decide to do that

[VSG]

Even 600 rpm GT fans should be ok for the UT60 unless you are benching. I would go with a single set of fans on the outside, leave room between the rad and reservoir and then see if you need the extra "pull" fans.

[Lays]

Even 600 rpm GT fans should be ok for the UT60 unless you are benching. I would go with a single set of fans on the outside, leave room between the rad and reservoir and then see if you need the extra "pull" fans.

 

forgot to mention it'll be a 30mm thick 240, and a 60mm or 80mm thick 360 in the front, cooling a 290x + 4790k that'll be overclocked to whatever I get at ~1.4v.

[TheDigitalRealm]

forgot to mention it'll be a 30mm thick 240, and a 60mm or 80mm thick 360 in the front, cooling a 290x + 4790k that'll be overclocked to whatever I get at ~1.4v.

 

I'd go with the push-pull 60mm thick radiator. It'll keep things cooler with your fans at a lower RPM. What's this build going to be for then? You already have a beastly system, how come you're downgrading to a less beastly system? 

[VSG]

forgot to mention it'll be a 30mm thick 240, and a 60mm or 80mm thick 360 in the front, cooling a 290x + 4790k that'll be overclocked to whatever I get at ~1.4v.

All aboard the push-pull train!

[Lays]

I'd go with the push-pull 60mm thick radiator. It'll keep things cooler with your fans at a lower RPM. What's this build going to be for then? You already have a beastly system, how come you're downgrading to a less beastly system? 

 

 

I won't be losing much performance, I don't need my 3930k, not even sure why I bought the dam thing tbh.

Going from 2 780's to 1 290x should be like ~30-40% loss, but considering I already had over 60 FPS, I probably won't lose much.

I also get like ~$1000 back from downgrading everything to spend on other stuff like a new desk etc.

 

Plus I really want a smaller case & smaller setup , which I have now

[Foxxer]

Don't go past 60mm,

and pick the highest FPI with push-pull config,

your golden.