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Are E Sports An Actual Sport

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What comes to games not being physical. Thats just old way of thinking things. Actually its same as saying esports is highly depending on gear. Welöl, duh! So its motorsport, hockey, golf, tennis, or any game that needs more than player to compete. For that only running or long jumping, swimming etc should be considered as sport. Anyway, esports are physical. On highest level, number of players considered being "fat" is minimal. And most of them would be large sized anyway. If I may take american football here again... well.. you understand my meaning right? Think BO3 series of RTS or MOBA games. If one round takes 20-50 mins, max three of them will need high ability to consentrate and physical fitness to sit through. From interviews of Finnish semi-pros I hear most go jogging or do physical training while still gaming 5h+ per day.

First off, some players train for up to 8 hours a day. Now, as for the best-of-X series, using SC2 as an example (Which you'll see me do a lot in this thread because it's the sport I follow)

 

In SC2 toward the later stages of the finals you see best of 5s to Bo7s. You can definitely tell some players will go for a super-long game straight up, like, an hour plus, just to mess with their opponents head, through them off their game and either wear them out, or put them in a bad mood. On the flip side of that coin, you see someone gamble the first game to go for a high-risk, high-reward build to try and end the first game super-early and punish a player for playing what would usually be a standard game. If you're curious to see something like that, check out the Jaedong vs. Maru set from the WCS World Championship at Blizzcon. Maru at that point in time, opened Command Centre first 75% of the time. Jaedong did a 10 pool first game, and you could see it written all over Marus face that he was crushed by that first game.

 

In regards to the long games, without physical capacity, the mental capacity to sit through an hour long, sometimes longer game, only to lose, just isn't there. In turn, you can see players making really bad decisions that they wouldn't normally make.

 

Bear in mind that particularly in the case of SC2, APM, or Actions per minutes scales off the game timer, 40% faster than normal speed. Top-tier players can average around 300 APM game-time, or 420 APM real-time, or around 7 actions a second. There's a lot of debate as to how important APM actually is, since you can just spam buttons to get a super high average APM over 400 (I'm looking at you LosirA), however to be able to punch in that many commands I think you could argue it goes to show how quickly these guys have to think, considering that the position/motives of a player can change at any time.

 

I went off on a slight tangent here methinks, but this isn't just sitting in front of a computer playing a video-game, and the guy in the video that the OP posted is clearly misinformed. Because something I'd like to add is this -> CoD, and Halo for that fact, both used to have competitive scenes. They declined fairly rapidly because teams thought it was a game, and often abused the other team. Why would anyone offer people like that the chance to represent their brand. No sponsorship = no money = no players. There's also a certain level of professionalism which is to be expected. It's why players like IdrA all of a sudden found themselves in hot water, because telling their opponent to go fuck themselves in the middle of a tournament wasn't something accepted by the community anymore.


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well, some people are running all day long to be the fastes and win the olympics, others kill bitches all day long in CS to win the WC. Its basically the same thing. Of course there isnt much movement in it, but an average person can't beat a olympic runner in running nor can he beat a pro in CS/Starcraft/LoL/whatever.


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Really depends, how you look at a sport... to me though it's a sport, it requires skill prefect timing, and the mind set as if you were on a football game. Athletic is the term you are looking for.


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Eating copious amounts of Doritos and growing a neckbeard is a sport.

 

So ya

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it doesent make the athletes, just players, athletes are ones who do athletics, gaming is not athletics


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Yes. So is chess. His argument is saying that because it's not physical, it's not a sport. He seems to think that pro gamers don't train, too. He might not know what he's talking about.

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In Asia E-Sports is like hockey (in canada) or football (in the USA)


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I think chess is considered a sport... so why not?

If you can have enough players to continuously enter in regular competitions, and there are matches / tournaments, winners / losers.... and they are playing a 'game' so yeah.. it's a sport. 


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it doesent make the athletes, just players, athletes are ones who do athletics, gaming is not athletics

 

"Athlete" has become general term to refer someone who competes because they love to do it. Professional whatever means that they get paid for it. In old days ie. Olympics didn't have cash prices, I'm not sure if they have now or not. Most who compete in Olympics are sponsored anyway. So basicly its two completely different thing as being an athlete or being athletic. Even pro gamers can be athletic or be refered as athletes.

 

To add here. In here org for ppl who play dance games are considered to be org under national org for all dancing orgs. Playing dancing games is still gaming. Its still esport more than actual dancing. Is dancing sport?


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Hey, if golf is a sport, then so is e-sports, amirite? killme

 

In all seriousness, is it an athletic sport? No. Do I exercise or become fit when I play copious amounts of Dota 2? No, I regress and gain weight. An amateur football player could survive longer in the wilderness and is more physically fit than your average CS:GO player. But e-sports is still a sport. 

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Im not particularly into sports or e-sports, but I just can't take competitive gaming seriously at all. It seems unfortunate to call it e-sports. I don't think its a bad thing and its cool if people are into it, but it shouldn't be compared to playing an actual sport.

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Im not particularly into sports or e-sports, but I just can't take competitive gaming seriously at all. It seems unfortunate to call it e-sports. I don't think its a bad thing and its cool if people are into it, but it shouldn't be compared to playing an actual sport.

 

What are reason behind that thinking? Do you think making playing interactive games as sport too serious? That argument can be used against every sport since all of them have at some point been just for fun.


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It's simple really, I just figured it out.

 

The amount of physical activity and delay in between of golf is equal to pressing W,A,S,D and moving the mouse, sometimes even getting up, shouting and eye movement.

 

You hit once, see if it went in the hole, someone picks it up, then hit again with long intervals in between.

 

Golf is a sport and if it exerts the same or less physical activity as gaming, then by logic gaming is a sport. Boom.

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Yes. So is chess. His argument is saying that because it's not physical, it's not a sport. He seems to think that pro gamers don't train, too. He might not know what he's talking about.

He also seems to think they're overweight, which, majority of pro-gamers are rather fit. There appears to be a lot of people on this thread discussing things they've virtually zero knowledge of.

 

 

However much I like esport I think they should stay esports and not be considered sports. Stay in there own world not to be televised etc.

And here's an example right here - So you're saying they shouldn't be televised, like they have been in Korea for at least 10 years now. They have like, 2 channels dedicated to eSports.

 

I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that on a tech forums, filled with people buying high-end gaming rigs that there are some very narrow views with little to no basis to them being presented


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He also seems to think they're overweight, which, majority of pro-gamers are rather fit. There appears to be a lot of people on this thread discussing things they've virtually zero knowledge of.

 

 

And here's an example right here - So you're saying they shouldn't be televised, like they have been in Korea for at least 10 years now. They have like, 2 channels dedicated to eSports.

 

I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that on a tech forums, filled with people buying high-end gaming rigs that there are some very narrow views with little to no basis to them being presented

But they ARE being televised....Twitch is showing hundreds of channels of esports over a superiour medium. Accessible at any time with no payment other than sitting through an ad or two. I mean that doesn't really change anything, I just felt I should point that out. It's one of the strengths of the genre.

 

I do agree that people are narrowminded about the subject, but only because they insist on calling it sports or arguing that it shouldn't be because it's somehow inferiour rather than let it stand as a unique discipline with some very big strengths. No one should really care, why is anyone having this debate? All that should matter is how e-sports is doing and how it can evolve to be even better. People that dismiss it in the first place are not people you should be convincing IMO.


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But they ARE being televised....Twitch is showing hundreds of channels of esports over a superiour medium. Accessible at any time with no payment other than sitting through an ad or two. I mean that doesn't really change anything, I just felt I should point that out. It's one of the strengths of the genre.

 

Streaming over internet and being broadcasted on satellite/cable tv are still two completely different things. Though with PS4 and Xbox One we are getting there. Being televised for major people still means that they turn on big black screen in living room, turn on some channel and instead of NFL, NHL or NBA there is MLG or ESL etc.


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Streaming over internet and being broadcasted on satellite/cable tv are still two completely different things. Though with PS4 and Xbox One we are getting there. Being televised for major people still means that they turn on big black screen in living room, turn on some channel and instead of NFL, NHL or NBA there is MLG or ESL etc.

They are different. Streaming is free and you use a different box to watch it.

 

Otherwise they are identical. The fact that some people don't use it is irrelevant. I don't watch cable TV, because the media I want to consume are available for free on the internet. With less ads....for free. My parents still have classic TV, but also watch stuff on the internet. The only reason they have the TV to start with is because the stuff they like to watch isn't available on the internet. If it was they'd stop paying their sub instantly.


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They are different. Streaming is free and you use a different box to watch it.

 

Otherwise they are identical. The fact that some people don't use it is irrelevant. I don't watch cable TV, because the media I want to consume are available for free on the internet. With less ads....for free. My parents still have classic TV, but also watch stuff on the internet. The only reason they have the TV to start with is because the stuff they like to watch isn't available on the internet. If it was they'd stop paying their sub instantly.

 

That being my point. We aren't yet in that position where you can just open TV/one software and select channel which brings quality content. With twitch you either have to know good streamer or surf throught many bad ones. When it becomes as simple as just opening TV and selecting ESPN e-sport will truly become mainstream.


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That being my point. We aren't yet in that position where you can just open TV/one software and select channel which brings quality content. With twitch you either have to know good streamer or surf throught many bad ones. When it becomes as simple as just opening TV and selecting ESPN e-sport will truly become mainstream.

But it IS...go to twitch right now. Front page lists several popular channels that ARE filled with good content and are live right now.


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But it IS...go to twitch right now. Front page lists several popular channels that ARE filled with good content and are live right now.

 

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You don't seem to get my point. I'm not arguing against you. I'm just giving another not-so-black-and-white view on this. For me twitch has become kinda another hobby. Finding new games and even new sport (Nascar) to watch. I'm just saying that Twitch ain't yet in same level with old fashioned broadcasting.


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But they ARE being televised....Twitch is showing hundreds of channels of esports over a superiour medium. Accessible at any time with no payment other than sitting through an ad or two. I mean that doesn't really change anything, I just felt I should point that out. It's one of the strengths of the genre.

 

I do agree that people are narrowminded about the subject, but only because they insist on calling it sports or arguing that it shouldn't be because it's somehow inferiour rather than let it stand as a unique discipline with some very big strengths. No one should really care, why is anyone having this debate? All that should matter is how e-sports is doing and how it can evolve to be even better. People that dismiss it in the first place are not people you should be convincing IMO.

 

 

Streaming over internet and being broadcasted on satellite/cable tv are still two completely different things. Though with PS4 and Xbox One we are getting there. Being televised for major people still means that they turn on big black screen in living room, turn on some channel and instead of NFL, NHL or NBA there is MLG or ESL etc.

 

And in Korea, being televised is being televised. We get the English casts on Twitch of say, GSL, Proleague or OGN Champions League, the Korean casts are broadcast on TV, on cable channels. That was what I meant.

 

I mean, sure, you could count Twitch as televised, but most would refer to it as broadcasted via internet

 

Esports is growing though, it may get to a level where events are broadcast live on TV


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