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3950x with air cooling = bad idea?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I was hoping to finally update my q6600 to 3950x and would use Noctua dh-15 or dh-15s... but not sure anymore. I've read that AIO is recommended. Im too paranoid to use anything with water inside my case, so now I don't know what to do. Im also concerned about temp spikes even while doing mundane stuff like browsing the internet (i've seen people complain about this). In fact, look at this:

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Should I bother, or its best to wait for 4000 series next xmas? I feel like im being AMD's guinea pig with this, and 4000 will be cooler, more stable, and no problems with quality air coolers.


I don't plan to do OC. I will edit videos, 3d animation and make music, and do some gaming.

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The NH-D15 is a hardcore cooler, it can run with the best of water coolers.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The NH-D15 is a hardcore cooler, it can run with the best of water coolers.

 

Just now, KSores said:

nh-d15 is better then most aio watercoolers

According to the guys in this forum, its just not enough

 

https://hardforum.com/threads/what-air-cooler-to-get-for-3950x-i-dont-want-water-cooling.1991189/page-2#post-1044453072

 

So im not sure anymore.

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1 minute ago, Windows95 said:

 

According to the guys in this forum, its just not enough

 

https://hardforum.com/threads/what-air-cooler-to-get-for-3950x-i-dont-want-water-cooling.1991189/page-2#post-1044453072

 

So im not sure anymore.

i have a nhd-15 and it's worked better then 2 aio's that i've had so idk what to say i've had a h100iv2 and a fractal design aio

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, KSores said:

i have a nhd-15 and it's worked better then 2 aio's that i've had so idk what to say i've had a h100iv2 and a fractal design aio

Well, we are talking about the 3950x specifically here.

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30 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

 

According to the guys in this forum, its just not enough

 

https://hardforum.com/threads/what-air-cooler-to-get-for-3950x-i-dont-want-water-cooling.1991189/page-2#post-1044453072

 

So im not sure anymore.

That guy explicitly says he doesn't have test data for air coolers. And it's damn near impossible to find test data.

 

What I can tell you is that I've overclocked some big ass multicore Intel chips on big tower coolers like the NH-D15 and Dark Rock Pro 4, and Intel chips are known to be less efficiency and run hotter than Ryzen. If I can push 14 cores on one to a 15% overclock, I highly doubt a soldered, more efficient CPU would struggle at stock settings. I truly believe that you can put a 3950X under an NH-D15 and not suffer thermal throttling, and perhaps manage an overclock to increase performance.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

That guy explicitly says he doesn't have test data for air coolers. And it's damn near impossible to find test data.

 

What I can tell you is that I've overclocked some big ass multicore Intel chips on big tower coolers like the NH-D15 and Dark Rock Pro 4, and Intel chips are known to be less efficiency and run hotter than Ryzen. If I can push 14 cores on one to a 15% overclock, I highly doubt a soldered, more efficient CPU would struggle at stock settings. I truly believe that you can put a 3950X under an NH-D15 and not suffer thermal throttling, and perhaps manage an overclock to increase performance.

Well this guy did a nh15 vs water cooling test:

 

temps are better in watercooling

 

this guy for instance said:

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I have a 3900X and had the Noctua NH-D15S with a second fan mounted to it and I can tell you that it ran damn hot and was throttling when at %100 load. Running Prime95 it would easily hit 95 degrees and sit there, where my AIO does not hit 95 degrees after a 30 minute load on the standard test, blend. So take that as you will. Sure for everyday facebook posting I am sure an air cooler will be just fine, but I assume no one buys a 3950x for just surfing the net.

 

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8 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

temps are better in watercooling

Yes, water cooling on a large radiator will be better. If your case fits a 360mm radiator and you just want the best temps, you can go for that.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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I was going to point out Jayztwocents but it's already been done.

NH-D15 kept up and surpassed a 360mm AIO in average temps. It only came second during spikes due to heat soak but even then, well within acceptable means.

At this point, the only true advantage an AIO would have over the NH-D15(s) is space available for ram and PCIe on some boards. Along with height clearance as it will not fit in some cases.

I want to use the NH-D15 with my next 3900X build but won't be able to use the Lian-Li O11 AIR which is disappointing. The XL variant would work though or I can just go with an AIO but they are generally louder and my build will be used primarily for audio production.

So it all depends. As well, these days as far as AIO's go, worrying about water is not a real concern anymore. But I understand all the same.

Good luck!

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