Questions on new build

[Avakin]

Hi guys,

 

I'm now with a laptop with an i5-8250U and a MX150, who sadly can't drive my monitor (a LG, 2560x1080p), it barely can run Nier: Automata, doing 45fps at low, 1366x768. So, I'm thinking of finally building a desktop. My objective with it is simply gaming (at medium-high settings, 2560x1080, 45-60 FPS), and emulation: RPCS3, PCSX2, CEMU, and in the future Yuzu and Orbital. my questions are:

 

1. I'm in doubt about the gpu: should I get a RX 570 or a 580? 4GB of vram would suffice? (the GTX 1660 is out of question in my country)
2. What cpu should I aim for: Ryzen 5 1600 AF or the 3500? Thinking that the 3500 is costlier but would be better for emulation

 

That's about it, thanks for all the help

 

PS: my plans (if going max cost with a RX 580 8GB and the 3500) would be to stay with it for at least 3 years without upgrading, if going cheaper I'd upgrade it in 1-2 years

[boggy77]

1600af would be better than 3500. 4gb vram is enough. The fps difference between 570 and 570 is max 10% so i wouldn't pay more than 10% on the 580.

It's worth keeping in mind to get dual channel ram.

[mariushm]

RX 570 is good for 1080p gaming.

For higher than 1080p, it's recommended to go with RX 580. RX 570 would work, but you'd have to go medium-high on quality settings. 8 GB is recommended.

If you can get the 1600 AF for good price, go with it.  Ryzen 3500 should be only OEM cpu (not sold retail) so not sure how you would buy that one.

 

[Jurrunio]

Then what country is that? Emulators are written by enthusiasts so might want to check their compatiblity with Ryzen compared to Intel first, their support can be more dodgy

 

5 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

1600af would be better than 3500.

how so? 3500X is faster than the 2600 in all-core performance, and 1600AF has lower clock than 2600.

[Avakin]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Then what country is that? Emulators are written by enthusiasts so might want to check their compatiblity with Ryzen compared to Intel first, their support can be more dodgy

 

how so? 3500X is faster than the 2600 in all-core performance, and 1600AF has lower clock than 2600.

Brazil. Seriously? Being 6/12 i'd think the 1600AF would be better in multithreaded tasks

[mariushm]

Ryzen 3500 is 6 core / 6 threads and 3.6 ghz stock, 4.1 ghz boost

1600 AF is 6 core / 12 threads and 3.2 ghz stock / 3.6 ghz boost but being based on zen+/2600 it should overclock easily to 4 ghz (gamersnexus got theirs to 4.2 ghz)

 

So you get 12 threads and same frequencies... why would you think that's not better.

[Avakin]

6 minutes ago, mariushm said:

RX 570 is good for 1080p gaming.

For higher than 1080p, it's recommended to go with RX 580. RX 570 would work, but you'd have to go medium-high on quality settings. 8 GB is recommended.

If you can get the 1600 AF for good price, go with it.  Ryzen 3500 should be only OEM cpu (not sold retail) so not sure how you would buy that one.

 

In my country it does sell, at almost the same price of a 3400G.

9 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

1600af would be better than 3500. 4gb vram is enough. The fps difference between 570 and 570 is max 10% so i wouldn't pay more than 10% on the 580.

It's worth keeping in mind to get dual channel ram.

Dual channel really does make a difference in zen+/2?

Just now, mariushm said:

Ryzen 3500 is 6 core / 6 threads and 3.6 ghz stock, 4.1 ghz boost

1600 AF is 6 core / 12 threads and 3.2 ghz stock / 3.6 ghz boost but being based on zen+/2600 it should overclock easily to 4 ghz (gamersnexus got theirs to 4.2 ghz)

 

So you get 12 threads and same frequencies... why would you think that's not better.

Because of the single thread performance in the 3000 series, would be better for emulators.

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, Avakin said:

Brazil. Seriously? Being 6/12 i'd think the 1600AF would be better in multithreaded tasks

In benchmarks yes, but I have yet to see an emulator that uses multithreading (if not multiple cores in the first place) well if at all

 

10 minutes ago, mariushm said:

So you get 12 threads and same frequencies... why would you think that's not better.

For these game emulators, single core performance rule.

[Avakin]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

In benchmarks yes, but I have yet to see an emulator that uses multithreading (if not multiple cores in the first place) well if at all

There is RPCS3, but I think it is limited to 8 threads, so not that better.

[Avakin]

Sorry for the double post, but, any other opinion?

[VEXICUS]

19 minutes ago, Avakin said:

Sorry for the double post, but, any other opinion?

Get the 1600 AF and get the rx580 used. They go for around $100 on eBay/AliExpress with free international shipping.

For now, the 3500 would perform slightly better in games now as compared to the 1600af. But the 1600af would be better in the long run.