What ryzen 3000 series best for gaming?

[code99]

So its been a bit since they released these cpus ... 

 

What do you think is the better option for gaming?

 

The CPU is going to be paired with an RTX 2080 and with a 1440p monitor.

 

Im only doing gaming on this rig and nothing else. Suggestions? 

[PopsicleHustler]

R5 3600 will be plenty for gaming. Its the best price/performance chip right now.

[AndrewB121]

3600(X) will be fine. 

[GOTSpectrum]

3600 hands down if all you do is gaming,

 

if you runs lots of background tasks while gaming maybe look into getting more cores but really its not needed for the most part. 

[bimmerman]

I'd say R5 3600. You might get an extra 100ish MHz from a 3600X once/if the boost behavior changes-- AMD is promising some sort of update on Sept 10.

 

If you aren't budgeting for a cooler then I'd suggest the 3600X. If you already have or are planning on aftermarket cooling, get the 3600.

[code99]

Huh so no votes for the R7 lineup 

 

Interesting. Budget is not an issue (within reasonable limit tho). 

 

Initially i was planning to get an R7 3700X or even 3800X ... now im not so sure

 

To note that this new rig should hold up for at least 4-5 years. I dont plan to upgrade anything for the forseable future because RL sucks ... so uhm ... future-profing (yes, we all hate this word)

[bimmerman]

I mean, if your budget can support it, the 3800X seems to most reliably hit the highest clocks. It is just overkill from a value standpoint.

 

I understand what you mean on futureproofing, I bought the 3600 as a placeholder for the 3950X when I had reason for a new rig, but am now not sure I'll go for it just yet. Futureproof it'll be, but given the haphazard state of X570 and Zen 2 at the moment, I'm thinking a few months to let things settle won't hurt, and it's not like I actually NEED those extra cores. Just WANT.

[Triboal]

The 3600 will fit your needs. The 3700X is worth considering if you're looking to do more than just gaming, i.e. productivity work, stream and/or have programes running in the background whilst you game (which arguably the 3600 can also do but not as well).

 

34 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

I mean, if your budget can support it, the 3800X seems to most reliably hit the highest clocks. It is just overkill from a value standpoint.

 

I understand what you mean on futureproofing, I bought the 3600 as a placeholder for the 3950X when I had reason for a new rig, but am now not sure I'll go for it just yet. Futureproof it'll be, but given the haphazard state of X570 and Zen 2 at the moment, I'm thinking a few months to let things settle won't hurt, and it's not like I actually NEED those extra cores. Just WANT.

The 3600X and 3800X should not be considered because they're simply a more expensive version of essentially the same chip, 3600 and 3700X, respectively. From der8aur's video on the boost behavior survey he did the 3600 was actually the chip that seemed to hit it's advertised boost clocks more often - still not amazing but better than the other Ryzen 3000 chips.

 

And the "haphazard" state of the X570 is simply because they're still ironing out the bios' and AGESA codes to get the chips to work universally as intended - this is completely normal for a new gen especially considering it's introducing a new lithography. The X570 is also not the sole chipset affected by this; the other chipsets are also waiting for bios updates to be released to fix various bios bugs.

 

With regards to the 3950X, I understand waiting a little on it for the reasons that you stated but if the 3950X has the same situation as the 3900X, and I have a feeling it'll be worse, then good luck trying to find a chip after release. It wouldn't surprise me if most retailers go out of stock soon after release and stay like this for a while.

[bimmerman]

@GeLi Fair, my survey (of posts here and on reddit) is nowhere near as complete as Derbauer's. My 3600 does hit its 4.2 boost clocks all-core out of the box, so I'm pretty happy with that. PBO/AutoOC do nothing, but....at least it's boosting properly. As for haphazard, that's exactly the issue-- it's two months post launch for issues that should've been solved pre-launch by working with the vendors. Stuff like inconsistent boosting behavior and high stock voltages seem like things that should've been caught well before launch, let alone 2 months later. Users shouldn't be beta testers at-scale. Personally, while my system's great, this whole situation is not great. The amount of people with issues make it clear that driver, bios, and vendor<-->amd QC were all sacrificed to hit the magic 7/7 launch date. Another month or so of development likely would've caught a LOT of these self inflicted wounds.

 

On the 3950X, I'm definitely not buying on day 1. If it goes out of stock, that's fine, I'm in no hurry to buy-- I'll wait for stock and bios updates to catch up.

[Triboal]

5 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

@GeLi Fair, my survey (of posts here and on reddit) is nowhere near as complete as Derbauer's. My 3600 does hit its 4.2 boost clocks all-core out of the box, so I'm pretty happy with that. PBO/AutoOC do nothing, but....at least it's boosting properly. As for haphazard, that's exactly the issue-- it's two months post launch for issues that should've been solved pre-launch by working with the vendors. Stuff like inconsistent boosting behavior and high stock voltages seem like things that should've been caught well before launch, let alone 2 months later. Users shouldn't be beta testers at-scale. Personally, while my system's great, this whole situation is not great. The amount of people with issues make it clear that driver, bios, and vendor<-->amd QC were all sacrificed to hit the magic 7/7 launch date. Another month or so of development likely would've caught a LOT of these self inflicted wounds.

 

On the 3950X, I'm definitely not buying on day 1. If it goes out of stock, that's fine, I'm in no hurry to buy-- I'll wait for stock and bios updates to catch up.

Glad to see your chip hit the advertised boost clocks, wish mine did . And I agree 100%, I'm just trying to be positive and understanding about the situation but I also completely understand people's frustration. The release of Zen 2 and X570 could have been better but I'm still happy to own my 3700X; it's a great chip and I have -10 regrets about not going with Intel in my recent build. We just need to be patient I guess.

 

3950X: fair enough, makes sense!

[bimmerman]

5 minutes ago, GeLi said:

Glad to see your chip hit the advertised boost clocks, wish mine did . And I agree 100%, I'm just trying to be positive and understanding about the situation but I also completely understand people's frustration. The release of Zen 2 and X570 could have been better but I'm still happy to own my 3700X; it's a great chip and I have -10 regrets about not going with Intel in my recent build. We just need to be patient I guess.

 

3950X: fair enough, makes sense!

Yea, I'm happy with my rig overall. If I hadn't suddenly needed AVX instructions (thanks, WindowsMR) though I probably wouldn't have upgraded until all this got sorted. Or would've just bought a different headset!

[Triboal]

2 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Yea, I'm happy with my rig overall. If I hadn't suddenly needed AVX instructions (thanks, WindowsMR) though I probably wouldn't have upgraded until all this got sorted. Or would've just bought a different headset!

I feel like things have improved in the last month with the new chipset drivers and AGESA 1.0.0.3abb bios update so things are moving forward and the system is usable without worrying too much about idle voltages and temps. Glad you're happy with your build! I'm waiting for some parts to come in to make some modifications to my build but other than that I love my Ryzen build.

[TrainFan475]

Ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 3700x if you have the money.

[code99]

I have the budget for up to ryzen 7 3800X but I think imma go with the 3700X, spare a few bucks ... i think thats going to be good. 

 

Dont think im gonna get a Ryzen 5 when i got the budget for its bigger brother. Plus, like @bimmerman said, I dont need those extra cores at all ... I just WANT it

[jones177]

The one that has the highest single core score in Cinebench R15. They all have enough cores so the individual strength of the cores is what matters.

 

[code99]

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

The one that has the highest single core score in Cinebench R15. They all have enough cores so the individual strength of the cores is what matters.

 

You refering to the Ryzen 5?

[Gohardgrandpa]

I went with the 3600 non x version. It was only $199 and was a big upgrade from my 1800x for gaming. It’s been chugging along great with my rtx2070 at 1080p. 

 

I did look at the 3700x when I purchased but it seemed like the 3600 was the best bang for your buck cpu and it really is if all you do is play games. 

[jones177]

4 hours ago, code99 said:

You refering to the Ryzen 5?

Here are the single core scores for the top end Ryzens. 

 

R9 3900X  score 213

R7 3700X            205

R5 3600X           202

 

 An i7 8700k has a score of 205 so any of the above CPUs will perform about the same in games.

 

I ran an i7 8700k stock with a GTX 1080 ti with no issues so any of the above would be perfect with a RTX 2080.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Zberg]

the conundrum is as you get higher sku chips, you get more clockspeed (better binning on higher priced chips).  That better single thread performance will translate to better gaming.

 

Unfortunately for JUST gaming, you certainly dont need 12 cores (or 16 when 3950 releases).  The better option there would be the 6-8 thread chips, but they have lower clocks which you need for better gaming.

 

I think the 3700x sits perfectly in the mix of can-do-anything chip, good single thread performance even though not their absolute best, and you can game/stream and also have an option for productivity and wont need to upgrade for a good amount of time.  That's what I would get.

 

 

[code99]

6 hours ago, Zberg said:

the conundrum is as you get higher sku chips, you get more clockspeed (better binning on higher priced chips).  That better single thread performance will translate to better gaming.

 

Unfortunately for JUST gaming, you certainly dont need 12 cores (or 16 when 3950 releases).  The better option there would be the 6-8 thread chips, but they have lower clocks which you need for better gaming.

 

I think the 3700x sits perfectly in the mix of can-do-anything chip, good single thread performance even though not their absolute best, and you can game/stream and also have an option for productivity and wont need to upgrade for a good amount of time.  That's what I would get.

 

 

I kinda agree with what you're saying. 

 

God knows I might even try a little streaming/recording in the future so 3700X sits in a sweet spot i'd say. Besides, having more cores than needed doesnt hurt anyone and im not going for a budget build so sparing those bucks by getting the R5 isnt really something im trying to do.

 

Im also planning to keep this system for quite a while, i dont upgrade my system too often so who knows, maybe in a couple of years there will be more games that benefit from having more cores (here's hoping!) 

 

That being said, after what you guys posted here and after reading more on the net, that R5 certainly looks nice for its price ... im still a few weeks off from buying anything so i have time to think

 

I've been with my current intel cpu for far too long (i7 4970), cant wait to upgrade

 

Thank you all for replying here, you've been most helpful!

 

Now im off to look into what mobo to get, ram, psu etc.

[xg32]

On 9/3/2019 at 12:12 PM, code99 said:

Huh so no votes for the R7 lineup 

 

Interesting. Budget is not an issue (within reasonable limit tho). 

 

Initially i was planning to get an R7 3700X or even 3800X ... now im not so sure

 

To note that this new rig should hold up for at least 4-5 years. I dont plan to upgrade anything for the forseable future because RL sucks ... so uhm ... future-profing (yes, we all hate this word)

if you don't have budget concerns then the 3700x and 3800x is of course better, if i have to build a gaming rig right now on a budget i'd wait for the r5 3500, if not, then 3700x for the 8 cores is necessary imho.

[code99]

34 minutes ago, xg32 said:

if you don't have budget concerns then the 3700x and 3800x is of course better, if i have to build a gaming rig right now on a budget i'd wait for the r5 3500, if not, then 3700x for the 8 cores is necessary imho.

Something's been bothering me, with a budget enough for a 3800x i can get the i7 9700K for the same money but better for gaming overall ... kinda torn on this one. I hoped to finally move to AMD this time but intel is still pretty nice ... 

 

Why would anyone get an AMD cpu (say 3800X) as opposed to an i7 9700K if its going to be used for gaming like 90% of the time?

 

EDIT: Just forget what I said lol, ill go with AMD for sure. Probably 3700X. Its gonna be fine 

[xg32]

8 hours ago, code99 said:

Something's been bothering me, with a budget enough for a 3800x i can get the i7 9700K for the same money but better for gaming overall ... kinda torn on this one. I hoped to finally move to AMD this time but intel is still pretty nice ... 

 

Why would anyone get an AMD cpu (say 3800X) as opposed to an i7 9700K if its going to be used for gaming like 90% of the time?

 

EDIT: Just forget what I said lol, ill go with AMD for sure. Probably 3700X. Its gonna be fine 

lol if it's any help i discussed this at length with a friend, intel's HT has known security flaws, the 9700k is showing signs of slight bottleneck that might come into play in a couple of years. 3700x's ceiling won't be hit 95% of the time, amd's the way to go, if you want peak performance, just get faster ram.

 

good vid: