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Princess Cadence

Has a High End PC become pointless? PC Gaming useless?

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1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

Yeah but the point is that many of the games you listed are also available on consoles

Which are also on PC. And not $20-$64 a pop.

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

not many real "PC exclusives"

What do I care about "PC exclusives" when I have "games"? Hundreds of them. In fact, I own so many games, it's an issue not being able to play all of them. They are much, much cheaper to obtain.

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Seems silly to chose one over the other especially if you already have the PC.  Used PS4s are $200 or less all day long.  I grew up as a PC gamer, then switched to consoles in the late PS3 era, continued into PS4 and my son got an Xbox to match his friends, so then I got one too so I could play along with him.  Now we both have Xbox1s.  But after trying to record gameplay for a youtube channel, I just decided to get back into PC gaming.  My son played Red Dead over xmas break on his xbone but I am still going to wait for the PC version.  The visuals on a 4k PC on ultra settings just make playing on a console ... difficult to tolerate.  The thing I hate the most about console gaming is the clunkiness and lagginess of the controls.  That and the visuals, I'd rather just PC game at this point.

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@Princess Cadence: Most of those games are backed by sony so of course their exclusives (the dark souls series came to pc, but blodborne was entirely financed by sony, like Bayonetta 2 was by Nintendo), pc this days is doing better then ever with its gaming ports to be honest, sure it doesn't have much in terms of "exclusives" but unlike consoles nobody is backing it up. Still jrpg's fighting games, racing games, action games are florishing more then ever in the latest years, its an amazing time as a pc player, even if the e-sport and battle royal games are making a lot of noise. Like others have said though, it might not be bad idea to grab a ps4 on the cheap especially now with ps5 on the horizon, prices should drop even more.


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Frankly, most of my game-playing time is spent playing Team Fortress 2 and the majority that isn't that's also playing a game is emulating Gran Turismo 3 and 4. I don't really care much about the latest games.

Really, it's to each their own in this scenario. Do what makes you happy. I don't give a shit about the PS4 exclusives, but obviously, a lot of people (on this forum, even) do. I don't give a shit about the Xbox One and the Switch, but again, a lot of people do. And they're happy with it. I don't want the highest end rig either; my rig is a shitty plain box with a good CPU and a good mid-range GPU, and it serves me well. If you're happy with your laptop and a PS4, more power to you.

My personal envy isn't owning an i9-9900K and an RTX 2080 Ti; mine was always something incredibly confusing, a good CPU with an R9 Fury X. Hopefully, I can make that dream come true... so I can run TF2 with, uh, 8x MSAA at 2160p.


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On 12/30/2018 at 2:25 AM, Princess Cadence said:

The problem here is that I was looking through some of the recent games and I can't help but realize that pretty much the best single player games are all exclusives for the PS4, you know:

 

God of War, Horizon, Last of Us, Spider Man, Bloodborne, Uncharted, Last Guardian, Detroit Become Human and the list goes on... Not only Sony exclusives then we have Console Exclusives like Red Dead Redemption 2 and a bunch more... And all this while every game that actually got a PC Port is available on the PS4.

Scratch Red Dead Redemption 2 as it is only a timed exclusive and will come to PC, soon™.

But the rest of them are not only Playstation Exclusives but also Sony games. Wich means that Sony is either the developer or the Publisher.


And here we have "the Problem":
The others just don't allow the developers to develop such good single player games because of "business decisions" (c) the Lead Developer of The Witcher 3...

 

And all with that political bullshit coming into games, destroying them, we have another Problem on the horizon...


So the Publishers are to blame for that as they don't allow their development teams to make good games. Sony does and has a double incentive to do so.

Because they don't just earn money on the Games but also the Consoles and every game on the console. So you can argue that they have money for "risky projects" or are willing to pay for that while other publishers do not do that.

 

That is essentially the Problem.


And to make matters worse: The darn french seems to be the ones with the least messups this years. 

Many other major Game Publishers either had some big fuckups or angered their community - or both...

For example Diablo Immortal mobile shit, the Cyborg Woman in BFV or the Fallout desaster.


So who is left??

 

The only ones that are left are either doing rather niche games (like Kingdom Come Deliverance from Bohemian Interactive) or rather small studios that only do games when they feel like it, like CD Project Red. And that's the "last big hope" for Gaming. Cyberpunk 2077. Lets just hope that the polish do not get influenced by politics too much and do their game in every way they want. And make a good single player game...

 

PS: I'm missing Dragon Quest XI in that List.

That's also one pretty good game with an awesome story. Haven't really finished it yet either.

But the "first playthrough" I did finish. Not yet at the real end.

But its a timesink, as I am at the 60h mark or so...

 

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So here is the deal, I don't care about online competitive games, I don't play any of those any more... The PS4 Pro hardware wise is capable of running said games on pretty good quality nowadays... So... as much as I used to hype like most of us with high end PC gaming and all the extras I actually have been feeling like I've been missing out a lot if not more by not owning a PS4...

Sadly, I have to agree with that statement.

I've played many of the Games you mentioned.

Horizon Zero Dawn was my first Playstation 4 Game and I played the shit out of it. And it was worth it. 

It has a nice story. And a real nice twist with a real kick in the balls.

 

Didn't finish God of War yet, neither did I do the interactive Movie aka Detroit Become Human. But I did play Spider-Man. And that was also pretty nice. Very nice game.

 

Uncharted, nah, was OK...

 

And Bloodborne: I'm not one of the Dark Souls Players so not my kind of game...

 

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So the thing is my personal computer has become... kinda redundant if not pointless... I'm actually thinking, should I even insist on it? Maybe try selling it while it's still "up-to-date" buy a PS4 and call it a day?

I can understand that and feel with you.

But I would never recommend someone to give up on PC. And I'm a "Consolero" and love them as well.

But the PC has also its advantages..

 

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Have any one ever went through this or people just go and buy the PS4 alongside their PC and call it a day?

Thing is:
A console is a device/box that allows you to play games that you want to play.

If there are a couple of games on that device, whatever it is, then go for it, buy it and have fun with it.

 


What's really bullshit however is arguing about the Hardware between plattforms. Nobody cares about that with consoles as it is not really important. The games are. 

You can see that best with the Switch right now. The Hardware is somewhat comparable to last gen - and sells like crazy, though it is a handheld as well.

 

Or last Generation with the Playstation 3...

It has rather weird hardware, the Performance was pretty bad in some Multi Plattform games but it still sold pratty good because of the available games (and Japan)...


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On 12/30/2018 at 2:45 AM, Princess Cadence said:

I don't have parents banking me up that's why lol.

Neither have I but I still have all Consoles and some nice games for it.


The thing is that sometimes, in rare occasions the games on Steam are just that much cheaper.

Got myself a copy of "THe Division" on Steam. And it was only like 14€ or so. While the same version was 30€ on PSN.

That can happen. But its not a usual case. Usually its about the same price.

 

One thing to keep in mind is:
LOOK for local/retail prices!

 

With the Playstation, you have to look at store prices as they often (mostly) are cheaper than the Online/PSN Price.

For example: God of War: Online usually 70€.

Locally in an electronics store 60€ or so.


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If you're only after the gaming aspect of... well.. gaming, then it really doesn't matter what platform you choose to play your games. Just pick the one that works best for you. I'd argue once you distill it to that, it doesn't really matter what platform you go for. It's all of the "niche" features each one provides that makes them stand out.

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9 hours ago, fpo said:

 

The main advantage to PC gaming as to console is the choice of keyboard/mouse, custom controls, near perfect backwards compatibility to all old games (for the most part & exceptions), mods & large scale exclusives (arma 3, world of Warcraft.) 

 

though consoles are getting kB/mouse support & there are adaptors that emulate keyboards, it’s becoming redundant. There is a ton of backwards compatibility by just throwing in the disk, now it’s just mods which is a semi yes, semi no on consoles, & large scale games. Dayz pubg & fortnite are on console so it’s not really a limitation. Especially since phones have PuBg & back in 99-01 arma 1 was on PC requiring like 1gb ram. 

Those might also be considered cheating and are beeing phased out. IIRC Hori had something.

But some games (rarely) support mouse + Keyboard. Though the list so far is very very small, sadly.

 

The backwards compatibility I can't agree with, thanks to SafeForce, SafeDISC and similar crap that hinders me to play Sacred to play on any modern 64bit Windows.

 

But the Mods is a big valid point as well...

On 12/30/2018 at 3:26 AM, Princess Cadence said:

I'm sorry mate don't mistaken me, my first computer was an IBM on Win 98.

Youngster 😉
I started with an Olivetti PCS286 with DOS 5.0. And IIRC as well as Windows 3.1

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

You're not missing out much from PS4.

Your oppionion. Princess Cadence (and others) see it different.

But then again, have you ever played the games he mentioned? Probably not...

 

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

This would be a beyond dumb choice. PC has way more games than PS4 and plenty of them are very similar to the few PS4 exclusives that are worth playing.

8 exclusives, wow. There's plenty of similar games to these on PC that will provide the same fix or entertainment value.

Similar is not good enough.

As the gameplay is just one part of it, you forget things like Story for example. Wich is an essential part of the game. And there are also other things that differentiate the stuff...

 

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

God of War - Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice, DmC: Devil May Cry - Definitive Edition, Bayonetta, Rise of the Tomb Raider, For Honor, Dark Souls: Remastered, Shadow of War/Shadow of Mordor.

Horizon Zero Dawn - Far Cry Primal, The Witcher 3, Monster Hunter World, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Skyrim, Zelda Breath of the Wild(played on Dolphin on PC), Dragon Age Inquisition, Nier Automata, Enslaved Odyssey to the West

Spider Man - Batman Arkham Knight, GTA 5(Spiderman mods), Prototype 1 & 2, Just Cause 3, DmC: Devil May Cry, Sleeping Dogs, Any Assassins Creed game, Any other Spiderman game, Incredible Hulk Games

Bloodborne - Dark Souls Remastered, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II, Dark Souls III, Lords of the Fallen, Nioh, The Surge, Necropolis, Death's Gambit, Severence BoD, Dead Cells, Salt & Sanctuary, Hyper Light Drifter, Dragons Dogma

Uncharted - Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Enslaved Odyssey to the West, Quantum Break

Last Guardian - Probably not gonna find many similar games to this game that are actually worth playing.

Detroit Become Human - Heavy Rain, Any TellTale game, Quantum Break, Mass Effect games

Sorry, but you have no idea what the heck you're talking about...

And its total nonsense.

 

Just throwing in Bayonetta with the new God of War makes no sense. While they are both Hack and Slash, Bayonetta is completely different, has different weapons and different boss fights.

 

And, as said, you forget the Story, the Weapons, Boss Mechanics, Enemies...

Basically the whole game.


Same with Devil May Cry. It might look similar but only to people who never played the game ever...

 

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

I hope you can get the picture.

No, because its absolute utter bullshit.

Never in my life have I read such blatantly wrong stuff from a person.

 

That's like saying that BroForce is similar to Super Mario Bros as you jump a lot...

 

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

And the best part about playing all these games... Higher FPS, mods, being able to tweak graphic settings, K&M support, mapping controls, being able to get rid of bugs yourself.

a) Higher FPS are irrelevant, when the game is shit

b) mods are irrelevant when the game is awesome

c) beeing able to tweak Graphics setting is a pain in the butt and not an advantage. And there is Star Ocean that also has that on consoles

d) K&M Support, OK, point.

e) Mapping Controls is irrelevant, if the Controls are good

f) beeing able to get rid of bugs is irrelevant when there aren't many bugs...

 

5 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

Where's the rest of the list? Where's the bunch more? There's at least 1 similar game to almost every game on PS4 that can be played on PC to provide the same type of fix. If you don't want your PC, sell it. But replacing it with a PS4 will be a mistake. Once you go to 90-144 fps, it's tough to go back to 23-30(and sometimes 60).

Here:

https://gematsu.com/exclusives/PS4

 

 

It was just a short list.

He didn't mention:
Persona 5 (also on PS3)

Infamous First Light and Second Son

The Order 1886

Dark Rose Valkyrie

Dead or Alive Xtreme : Fortune

Deception IV

Dissidia Final Fantasy NT
Driveclub

Gravity Rush 2

Knack

Knack 2

Gundam Versus

Killzone Shadow Fall

Megadimension Neptunia VIIR

Ratchet & Clank

Record of Grancrest War

The Seven Deadly Sins, Knights of Britannia

Star Ocean Integrity and Faithlessness

Yakuza Kiwami 2

Yakuza 6

 

So there are a couple more interesting Exclusives (not all on this list are).

 

 

PS3 Remakes like the Last of Us, God of War 3, Gravity Rush...


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Oh what a konsole shkrub..

/s

 

It seems like PC gaming is not your cup of tea esp. when there aren't many good "single-player" oriented pc exclusive games out there (probably due to business and money-making issues like other stated). And I respect that. To me I buy the ps4 for the exclusive games like detroit become human and uncharted games. For my gaming pc, I play many Single-player PC exclusive games that I personally enjoy even if they don't have the best story (STALKER series for example). There are also PC-games that I play that are already released to other consoles due to those games having a modding community behind it that adds more replayability to it or I feel that the games work so much better with M+K. 

 

So all in all, I don't see either system being pointless if I'm already enjoying both for different reasons. 


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37 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

But then again, have you ever played the games he mentioned? Probably not...

I don't have any reason to play them when there are hundreds of other games that provide similar entertainment at a much higher frame rate.

38 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Similar is not good enough. As the gameplay is just one part of it, you forget things like Story for example. Wich is an essential part of the game. And there are also other things that differentiate the stuff...

Stories are a dime a dozen in the video game industry.

39 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Sorry, but you have no idea what the heck you're talking about...

And its total nonsense.

Your opinion.

40 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Just throwing in Bayonetta with the new God of War makes no sense. While they are both Hack and Slash, Bayonetta is completely different, has different weapons and different boss fights.

I just meant similar aspects and similar entertainment. I wouldn't care if I played either game. I have hundreds of others to choose from.

41 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

That's like saying that BroForce is similar to Super Mario Bros as you jump a lot...

BroForce is more like Contra.

42 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

a) Higher FPS are irrelevant, when the game is shit

b) mods are irrelevant when the game is awesome

c) beeing able to tweak Graphics setting is a pain in the butt and not an advantage. And there is Star Ocean that also has that on consoles

d) K&M Support, OK, point.

e) Mapping Controls is irrelevant, if the Controls are good

f) beeing able to get rid of bugs is irrelevant when there aren't many bugs...

Higher fps is not irrelevant at all, it really depends on the game. The more precision or competition involved, the higher you're gonna want your fps to be. Well, for the majority of gamers that is. Mods make any games utilizing them AWESOME instead of just awesome. And being able to tweak graphic settings is what PC gaming is all about. The more you do it, the more you learn about video games in general. Thus being able to tweak things naturally, to your personal preference. I'm not one to care about mapping controls because that's what makes certain games unique but some people love being able to customize them. And I also don't even care much for K&M support because I'm so used to using a controller. As for bugs, they exist in certain games. And not being able to get rid of certain ones in certain console games SUCKS.

48 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Persona 5 (also on PS3)

Infamous First Light and Second Son

The Order 1886

Dark Rose Valkyrie

Dead or Alive Xtreme : Fortune

Deception IV

Dissidia Final Fantasy NT
Driveclub

Gravity Rush 2

Knack

Knack 2

Gundam Versus

Killzone Shadow Fall

Megadimension Neptunia VIIR

Ratchet & Clank

Record of Grancrest War

The Seven Deadly Sins, Knights of Britannia

Star Ocean Integrity and Faithlessness

Yakuza Kiwami 2

Yakuza 6

 

So there are a couple more interesting Exclusives (not all on this list are).

 

 

PS3 Remakes like the Last of Us, God of War 3, Gravity Rush...

I don't care to play a single one of these games for the simple fact that I already have hundreds to choose from that provide the same type of entertainment. The same exact fix.

 

And btw, God of War 3 and Ratchet & Clank can be both played on PC. Possibly a few others of those but I've never even bothered to find out so I wouldn't know. I am interested in finding out what some of these games are though simply because I've never heard of them.

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but teh PC has them gigaray exclusives

 

seriously though there is some psychological conditioning in the pc video settings menu, those ultra settings, they activate serotonin release in the brain or something, becomes addictive, once felt its hard to experience the game for just the gameplay, the game becomes a vehicle for those graphics settings, got to see those ultra settings, got to get those endorphins kicking in.

PC gamers suck from a different teat than console gamers , they want the almost forbidden full fat cream experience only Ultra can provide, like fast cars or gambling in casinos or drug abuse

 

Hi my name is kilgore_T and I have been an addict for 20 years

 

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2 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

I don't have any reason to play them when there are hundreds of other games that provide similar entertainment at a much higher frame rate.

Then you should stop talking about them or comparing them with other games. Because its Bullshit.

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Stories are a dime a dozen in the video game industry.

Yet the ones he mentioned for Playstation 4 has a rather high rating.

Story is the Cherry on top., And if you look at for example Metacritic, you'll see it.

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I just meant similar aspects and similar entertainment. I wouldn't care if I played either game. I have hundreds of others to choose from.

Yet still not the same...

As the differences are what is important...

 

What you're saying is that Alien and Independance Day are the same because there are aliens in it and there is no need to watch one if you know the other...

 

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BroForce is more like Contra.

but its not.

BroForce is its own game with its own mechanics that plays like no other.

For example the enviroment destruction is a big part in BroForce.

 

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Higher fps is not irrelevant at all, it really depends on the game.

Exactly and the PS4 Games he mentioned are mostly slower paced, so you do not need 60fps and can get away with 30fps very well...

 

But you don't know how the games feel since you've never played it...

 

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The more precision or competition involved, the higher you're gonna want your fps to be.

We ain't talking about those things.

So you totally missed the point...

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And being able to tweak graphic settings is what PC gaming is all about.

I thought we were talking about playing the game and not fiddling around with some technical stuff...

 

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And btw, God of War 3 and Ratchet & Clank can be both played on PC.

ILLEGALLY! 

And Ratechet & Clank got an awesome remake for PS4, so you're talking about a different game than I am.

 

And you're talking about this God of War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War_(2005_video_game)

 

Not THIS God of War we are talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War_(2018_video_game)

 


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Can't believe I more or less read through this thread... before my 1st coffee of the day too.

 

Random thoughts, many already bought up:

1, follow the games you want to play, regardless of the platform. Right now, I'm about 50/50 PC/mobile.

2, if you want to keep a foot in the PC world, you don't need to have latest everything. "good enough" can be quite a low bar. Being realistic, I could play what I want on a 1060 after dialling down settings a bit. To go above that is a comfort extra.

3, if you want to experience stories, you don't necessarily have to buy and play a game. I suck at shooters in general, but I watched videos of Fallout 4 to see what the fuss was, and really enjoyed the story. It is not a game I would ever play though. The best game I never played would be Nier Automata.

4, you might still want a PC for non-gaming reasons

 

I own a PS4 bought for FFXV, later PSVR. Don't really use it at all now.


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39 minutes ago, porina said:

The best game I never played would be Nier Automata.

I actually bought Nier Automata on Steam, which I'm amazed how great of a hack n' slash it is... but PC Port is a pile of garbage and regardless of what I do it craches every 40 or so minutes.

 

@Stefan Payne Thank you kindly for joining the thread I appreciated your input.

 

3 hours ago, kilgore_T said:

those ultra settings,

Don't get me wrong, I often try telling people how they can get away with way less hardware when they forget about ultras but myself I have always indeed loved to crank that settings way up.

 

It is indeed a great part of the high end PC gaming appeal, but like said when you see a ton of games you'd love playing are simply not there you start questioning yourself.

 

4 hours ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

So all in all, I don't see either system being pointless if I'm already enjoying both for different reasons. 

I know it isn't, the 'pointless' aspect was more for my particular case, I have played games on PC and enjoyed the shit out of them like The Witcher 3, AC:Origins and Hitman 2 to say some recent titles... so obviously it has value!

 

6 hours ago, handymanshandle said:

R9 Fury X.

We all dream with the best we can get, I got as high as owning the GTX TITAN X (Maxwell) at the highest point of my enthusiasm...

 

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All in all maybe the way around it really is wait the next gen of consoles release and then grab a second hand PS4 sometime in the future when I'm more financially comfortable for such.

 


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6 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Those might also be considered cheating and are beeing phased out. IIRC Hori had something.

Whether or not it’s cheating doesn’t meant I can’t play single player games with it. 

6 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

But some games (rarely) support mouse + Keyboard. Though the list so far is very very small, sadly.

But the list is getting bigger & Microsoft just added official support. In 2 years I expect a few games to jump on this gimmick. Remember the Dreamcast? 

6 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

The backwards compatibility I can't agree with, thanks to SafeForce, SafeDISC and similar crap that hinders me to play Sacred to play on any modern 64bit Windows.

In many circumstances it’s no problem but then again it’s sometimes fixable. Fallout 3 isn’t compatible on windows 10, though there are guides on steam discussions. Halo 2’s project cartographer adds modern support. Fallout new Vegas just works on windows 10. 

However yes, some games are completely incompatible. 

6 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

But the Mods is a big valid point as well...

But it’s kinda changing. Skyrim does have mod support on console & it is limited (& partially premium...) it’s possible modding on console could get more advanced/wider support. 


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7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Then you should stop talking about them or comparing them with other games. Because its Bullshit.

To you it's bullshit. To me, other games provide me with a very similar experience.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yet the ones he mentioned for Playstation 4 has a rather high rating.

Story is the Cherry on top., And if you look at for example Metacritic, you'll see it.

Other games have high ratings as well. And can be played... On PC. Story and all.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yet still not the same...

As the differences are what is important...

Of course they're not the same. However, they provide the same type of entertainment. For example, Paladins instead of Overwatch. If I have Paladins, I have absolutely no reason whatsoever, to ever, ever, pickup and play, Overwatch.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

What you're saying is that Alien and Independance Day are the same because there are aliens in it and there is no need to watch one if you know the other...

Watching one or the other provides the same type of entertainment. That is what I am saying. Sure I might "miss out" on the one I didn't watch, but I won't lose sleep over it. I'll just move on with my life. Watch Aliens. Watch Alien Resurrection. Play Aliens Colonial Marines... At 144 fps. Play Alien Isolation. Etc, etc.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

but its not.

BroForce is its own game with its own mechanics that plays like no other.

For example the enviroment destruction is a big part in BroForce.

So then I pickup and play The Expendabros. Which is free on Steam. Same environment destruction. Same mechanics that play like... BroForce. Almost every single detail about BroForce is in The Expendabros. Don't you see what I'm getting at here?

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Exactly and the PS4 Games he mentioned are mostly slower paced, so you do not need 60fps and can get away with 30fps very well...

Sure you can get away with them, at the sacrifice of performance and stability. Which can be enjoyable for some. For those that game at 90-144 fps daily, it can be infuriating.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

But you don't know how the games feel since you've never played it...

I know how 24-30 fps feels. Sluggish. Laggy. Unclear. Unsmooth. Slowwwwwwww.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

We ain't talking about those things.

Well I am, because they matter. Especially to those that have experienced both 24-30 fps for many years and then experienced 90-144 fps for many years. The difference is night and day.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

I thought we were talking about playing the game and not fiddling around with some technical stuff...

Being able to fiddle around with the technical stuff involved with the video games we are playing matters. It matters big time. Going from not being able to do so, to being able to do so, then going back to not being able to do so is a feeling of being naked while playing the game. You're gonna want to search for your clothes and put them back on.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

ILLEGALLY!

It's not illegal if you own the games. $3.00 for God of War III and $5.00-$10.00 for practically any Ratchet & Clank game. Sure it's not some remastered remake but here's the beauty part. I will be playing it on my PC... Which means I can remaster and remake the game with my PC. I can turn an old game into a remodernized one with antialiasing, anisotropic filtering, etc, etc, and play it in 4k or 1440p at 144 fps.

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

And you're talking about this God of War: Not THIS God of War we are talking about:

"PS3 Remakes like the Last of Us, God of War 3, Gravity Rush..." These are your words. This God of War was mentioned. Of course the new God of War can't be played on my PC... At least, not yet anyway. And until it is, what makes it so difficult to call up a friend and say, "hey, I'm coming over to play God of War on your PS4." It would only take me a few trips to a friends house to beat the entire game and be done with it. That's the main reason I don't own a PS4, I have friends to play these exclusives with. I have absolutely zero reason to get rid of my PC just to be able to play a few exclusives at my house and be done with them in about a month. Then I'd be stuck with a PS4 just collecting dust like my Xbox One already does.

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It's all personal preference.  Now that consoles can do 4k (or close to it), it's good enough for many people.  Those who just want to an easy to use system to play with their feet up on the couch will go for the consoles. 

 

There will always be a group of people that will either want to hit close to 144fps at either 1080p or 1440p or who want to fully max out 4k at 60fps ultra settings.  These people will forever play PC.

 

I'm kind of in the middle.  My GTX 1080 still gives me better peformance than what the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X can offer so PC is still my go to platform but it's still nice to boot up my consoles once in a while.  Just depends on my mood.

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7 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I know it isn't, the 'pointless' aspect was more for my particular case, I have played games on PC and enjoyed the shit out of them like The Witcher 3, AC:Origins and Hitman 2 to say some recent titles... so obviously it has value!

OH so it was mostly pointless in your case but at the same time it still had some value?


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2 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

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You ain't winning against a PS4 fanboy, trust me. It's just a long and pointless argument that just goes nowhere.

 

8 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

We all dream with the best we can get, I got as high as owning the GTX TITAN X (Maxwell) at the highest point of my enthusiasm...

 

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All in all maybe the way around it really is wait the next gen of consoles release and then grab a second hand PS4 sometime in the future when I'm more financially comfortable for such.

 

I wonder if you've fallen out of love with PCs because you have (had?) the resources available to get the highest end shit. Frankly, to me, what's currently high end doesn't interest me; I love older higher end cards and newer budget parts BECAUSE I can get a lot of value just from seeing what they can run. If you enjoy what you enjoy, again, no harm done. People change, and you might just be falling out of love with custom PCs because of that.


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6 minutes ago, handymanshandle said:

I wonder if you've fallen out of love with PCs because you have (had?) the resources available to get the highest end shit. Frankly, to me, what's currently high end doesn't interest me; I love older higher end cards and newer budget parts BECAUSE I can get a lot of value just from seeing what they can run. If you enjoy what you enjoy, again, no harm done. People change, and you might just be falling out of love with custom PCs because of that.

I'm more interested in what relatively lesser performing hardware can run period. Like there was a YouTube video I watched where someone wanted to see what a 256MB 8800 GT could run. It was pretty telling that GTA V ran well enough (720p low, 30FPS) but Skyrim couldn't run to any acceptable performance.

 

I'll always do higher end hardware though, because I can and I don't really want to spend a lot of time poking around with settings anymore (I just want to play my damn game D:)

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2 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I'm more interested in what relatively lesser performing hardware can run period. Like there was a YouTube video I watched where someone wanted to see what a 256MB 8800 GT could run. It was pretty telling that GTA V ran well enough (720p low, 30FPS) but Skyrim couldn't run to any acceptable performance.

 

I'll always do higher end hardware though, because I can and I don't really want to spend a lot of time poking around with settings anymore (I just want to play my damn game D:)

That reminds me, I should really start throwing some games on my media PC. I'm wondering as to how a triple-core Phenom holds up in that regard, outside of TF2.


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High end gaming PCs are a luxury, just like how the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are a luxury. You don't need them, but if you want the best possible experience, then that's what you're going to get. If you don't care about 144 FPS, 4k, 1440p, or high/ultra settings, then a high end PC is not for you, nor is a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X.

 

Regardless, there are still plenty of games out there in the PC space that offer great single player experiences. Just stay away from EA, Activision/Blizzard, and Ubisoft.


 

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1 hour ago, handymanshandle said:

You ain't winning against a PS4 fanboy, trust me. It's just a long and pointless argument that just goes nowhere.

Hey, I tried my best. It'll click one day. Probably when they're finally gaming at 90-144 fps in 1440p on a $750 PC.

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8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

To you it's bullshit. To me, other games provide me with a very similar experience.

Because you have not played those games and don't know how they play.

I have. And I think they are worth it. Maybe you should Play them as well.

 

Oh and I do not care about the Plattform as I own them all (except 3DS), I just play them wherever they are.

 

Again:
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PLATTFORM; IT IS ABOUT THE GAMES!

8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

Other games have high ratings as well. And can be played... On PC. Story and all.

Yes, but they aren't those games he is interested in. That is the point.

He is interested in Games on Playstation 4. And why shouldn't he get the device to play it on. Wich is all a Console is. It is a device to play specific games on. If there aren't any exclusives for that Plattform, the Plattform is not worth it...

 

8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

However, they provide the same type of entertainment.

Does Alien provide the same Type of Entertainment than Evil Dead?

Does Star Wars provide the same type of Entertainment as Star Trek?
You get the point, right?

 

8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

Watching one or the other provides the same type of entertainment.

No, its completely different...

 

 

8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

It's not illegal if you own the games. $3.00 for God of War III and $5.00-$10.00 for practically any Ratchet & Clank game. Sure it's not some remastered remake but here's the beauty part. I will be playing it on my PC...

Why is it important where you play it on?! 
Its just a god damn box that plays the game. Some are better than others, obviously.

 

But God of War 3 Remastered runs at 60fps 

 

 

And the old Ratchet and Clank from the PS2 and the new one play completely different as well.

 

8 hours ago, A Random Dude said:

Then I'd be stuck with a PS4 just collecting dust like my Xbox One already does.

Well, my XBox One also collects dust as there is nothing on it worth playing/getting that isn't on PC as well.

The only 2 Bundles are Rare Replay and Master Chief Collection. And that's about it.

 

 

The Problem here is that there are no games on it, not the hardware par se. With other Plattforms, you have a couple of exclusives. For example Switch, if you didn't own a WiiU with all the exclusives, has some nice games as well. Since I have a WiiU as well, I also have those games, they aren't for me...

 

But that's also a good console because of the games you can play that you couldn't before...

 

 


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