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To compare CPU performance across multiple generations you need a benchmark that has been used consistently over a long period of time with minimal changes, otherwise the results are not comparable. I'd assume passmark is a good start to get a general idea of how performance has evolved. But then again, the benchmark may not take advantage of newer CPU features, which means it may not give you a realistic image of modern day performance that could be achieved if those features are used/needed.
 
I think your general idea is sound. The only potential problem I see is that something like "mid-range" isn't clearly defined and may have shifted over the years. It may be better to take a fixed price (say 200$) and then ask "How much performance did 200$ get me in 20xx?"
 
 
Alternatively you could take both the most expensive and least expensive CPU of each generation, calculate its performance per dollar and then see how these lower and upper bounds have evolved over the years. Or maybe include/use the CPU of each generation that had the best pp$ at that time?

Yeah, gotcha. As I said, I think Passmark is a good starting point to get an overview of relative CPU performance over the years. If you can find other CPU benchmarks and find a way to weight them to average out their results even better.
 
Just keep in mind that most testers probably used different versions (e.g. of Cinebench) over the years which means the points from one version to another may not be directly comparable. If that's the case, ideally find some tests where the same CPU was tested with both versions. That should allow you to scale the results accordingly with that CPU's performance as the baseline.
 
Sound like an interesting project in any case

@Eigenvektor I appreciate the response! I think I'll go down the route of taking a fixed price. As for benchmark I think maybe I'll take several such as cinebench and come up with different weights to average out the scores? Really the project doesn't need to be technically perfect its more centered around the analysis and I think even with some flaws I can still get a pretty good idea of which factors influenced the trend the most. 

Your sig is outdated. See
 

Don't be stupid and believe that someone who's had much more experience than you on LTT hasn't already tried looking things up. 
 

Could be nickel plated but I doubt it. Temps aren't that bad but I have to crank up the fans a lot higher than I'd like since it's summer. I'll repaste with something of quality if things get worse. 

first sentence. seller was moving across country next day and needed cash fast 

That's a pretty sweet score for $700. Congrats!

Story:
The seller was moving across the country and could not bring it with him, so I got this tricked out Origin Millennium for only $700.
Specs:
CPU: i7 5820K cooled by a 360mm Asetek AIO 
MoBo and RAM: Asus X99 Deluxe 3.1 paired with 2x8Gb DDR4 
GPUs: 2x980Ti EVGA reference 
PSU: Corsair RM1000
Storage: 2TB HDD (which I chose not to use and instead put in an SSD)
 
This is my first prebuilt high end PC. Like most of you, I have always built and upgraded my PC. 
Review:
There are some things I really liked and disliked about my new PC. 
Liked:
-Very well built, impeccable cable management 
-Full Sleeved cabling 
-High quality case: Quality paint finish, quality side panel window, integrated lighting and fan controller
-AIO cools extremely well
-Adequate room for SLI cards to breath 
 
Disliked:
-Stock fans were extremely noisy even on lowest setting with fan controller, shows Origin cared very little about acoustics
-Design of case is near terrible:
panel mechanism sucks hard for the user to service because screws are in weird places lack of cooling support even though the case is huge (0 front mounted radiator options), no 140mm mounts forces you to use all the expansion bays in the front instead of opening them up for cooling  Additions I've made
-Switched to all solid state storage: 500Gb M.2 and 250Gb SATA ssd's
-Switched all fans to Noctua NF- F12's

Story:
The seller was moving across the country and could not bring it with him, so I got this tricked out Origin Millennium for only $700.
Specs:
CPU: i7 5820K cooled by a 360mm Asetek AIO 
MoBo and RAM: Asus X99 Deluxe 3.1 paired with 2x8Gb DDR4 
GPUs: 2x980Ti EVGA reference 
PSU: Corsair RM1000
Storage: 2TB HDD (which I chose not to use and instead put in an SSD)
 
This is my first prebuilt high end PC. Like most of you, I have always built and upgraded my PC. 
Review:
There are some things I really liked and disliked about my new PC. 
Liked:
-Very well built, impeccable cable management 
-Full Sleeved cabling 
-High quality case: Quality paint finish, quality side panel window, integrated lighting and fan controller
-AIO cools extremely well
-Adequate room for SLI cards to breath 
 
Disliked:
-Stock fans were extremely noisy even on lowest setting with fan controller, shows Origin cared very little about acoustics
-Design of case is near terrible:
panel mechanism sucks hard for the user to service because screws are in weird places lack of cooling support even though the case is huge (0 front mounted radiator options), no 140mm mounts forces you to use all the expansion bays in the front instead of opening them up for cooling  Additions I've made
-Switched to all solid state storage: 500Gb M.2 and 250Gb SATA ssd's
-Switched all fans to Noctua NF- F12's

Story:
The seller was moving across the country and could not bring it with him, so I got this tricked out Origin Millennium for only $700.
Specs:
CPU: i7 5820K cooled by a 360mm Asetek AIO 
MoBo and RAM: Asus X99 Deluxe 3.1 paired with 2x8Gb DDR4 
GPUs: 2x980Ti EVGA reference 
PSU: Corsair RM1000
Storage: 2TB HDD (which I chose not to use and instead put in an SSD)
 
This is my first prebuilt high end PC. Like most of you, I have always built and upgraded my PC. 
Review:
There are some things I really liked and disliked about my new PC. 
Liked:
-Very well built, impeccable cable management 
-Full Sleeved cabling 
-High quality case: Quality paint finish, quality side panel window, integrated lighting and fan controller
-AIO cools extremely well
-Adequate room for SLI cards to breath 
 
Disliked:
-Stock fans were extremely noisy even on lowest setting with fan controller, shows Origin cared very little about acoustics
-Design of case is near terrible:
panel mechanism sucks hard for the user to service because screws are in weird places lack of cooling support even though the case is huge (0 front mounted radiator options), no 140mm mounts forces you to use all the expansion bays in the front instead of opening them up for cooling  Additions I've made
-Switched to all solid state storage: 500Gb M.2 and 250Gb SATA ssd's
-Switched all fans to Noctua NF- F12's

run an administrative command prompt (cmd) and type in      slmgr /upk      (This uninstalls the key)

Also, the 1800x is pointless when the 1700 can be overclocked to around the same for $100+ less. I have no idea why people buy the 1800x unless it's for a microcenter combo 

Hello all! It's been quite a while since I've been on the forums, at least in the main part of the forum (hello users of The Garage in Off Topic). Due mainly to my car costing me a lot of money, I haven't been putting much attention into my PC.
 
My car btw:

 
But all that is changing, I am putting my car on hold for now to work on my beloved system that I have continuously improved upon over the years (which started as an HP Pavilion desktop!).
 
This is the current state of the system.
 

 
No GPU, as I sold the 1060 I had in there. Running the system using integrated graphics.
 
Specs are as follows:
 
Intel Core i5 4570
AsRock B85M-ITX
AData Premier Pro 16GB DDR3-1600
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Cooler Master Seidon 120V
Define Nano S
EVGA BQ 650W
 
Pretty standard stuff, save for the no GPU part. Obviously I haven't even touched the system, still have some stickers on the front and stuff.
 
So what will this build log consist of? Well, first off we need new hardware.
 
This Thursday I will be ordering the following parts to get my system back as a top performer:
 
Intel Core i7 4790K
PNY GeForce GTX 1080 Founder's Edition
WD Blue 1TB (since I need some more storage as well)
 
That should do it for the hardware upgrade. I play at 1080P 144Hz so I think the 1080 is a good fit.
 
Now, for the liquid cooling part, which I'm sure most of you are here for.
 
I will be using the following components, will order them in a couple weeks as I can't afford the whole thing with one paycheck
 
EK Supremacy MX CPU Block - Acetal
EK FC1080 Full Cover Nickel Plated Copper GTX 1080 Waterblock - Acetal
EK FC1080 Black Anodized Aluminum GTX 1080 Backplate
2x EK CoolStream SE 240 Dual 120mm Radiators
EK XTOP Revo D5 PWM Pump
EK Res X3 150 Reservoir
Koolance 13mm OD (1/2") Rigid Compression Fittings Black
Koolance 13mm OD (1/2") Rotary Elbow Rigid Compression Fittings Black
Koolance Nozzle Socket Plugs Black
Mayhems Biocide Extreme 15mL Concentrate
1/2" OD .430" ID .035" Wall Annealed 304 Series Stainless Steel Tubing (Several Feet )
5x EK Vardar F1-120 1150RPM 120mm Fans
 
So the plan is to have a mostly black theme with the stainless steel tubing serving as an accent. I will keep the same white LED lighting (that for some reason looks very blue in that photo I took) to illuminate the case. The stickers on the front will most likely be removed, I thought it looked cool for a while but it will mess with the clean look I'm going for.
 
I haven't entirely figured out the tubing runs yet, but Paul Hardware's Hot Box 2.0 is serving as a strong contender for how I will run my tubing. I'll post more detailed plans for it later on as we actually get started.
 
That's it for now, this Thursday I will for sure be ordering the GTX 1080 first, as I am in desperate need of some video games.
 
Stay tuned! Leave you comments below, suggestions and ideas are always welcome. This is my first custom loop after all!
 

Yeah I might have to buy things separately instead of all at once. Also I was thinking of whether it's really worth it for the 1080 since I only play at 1080p. I do like the 1070's price tag and it's still a performer, but less bragging rights come with that

workstation wise or in raw performance ryzen 1700 beats the i7 6700k hands down, unless you need the extra processing power keep the 6700k for now. 

Nice to see you on the forums

Looks like I got the highest AMD score by a longshot (until someone flexes with a Fury X), even faster than the 980. Liquid cooled (Kraken G10 + Kraken X41) 390x if y'all wondering. 
 

GTA V's load times aren't entirely due to storage speed. Going from a standard SATA III SSD to an M.2 NVMe won't yield much benefit. Not enough to justify the price on that alone.
Also, copying files and folders isn't really sensitive to the performance difference between SATA III and NVMe either.
 
In a professional system, there can be benefit from the increased speeds. That's mostly if the user saves often, or the system sees alot of data transfer on the M.2.
 
 
 
I'd say that M.2 isn't worth it over SATA III for normal consumers, or most prosumers, if SATA III is easily available. There are systems where SATA III mounting options are limited or not possible, M.2 SSDs are feasible alternative.

LITERALLY NEVER compared to a decent SATA SSD.
Wrong. Even in professional environments 2% over a sata SSD is the best you can get.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-ssd,4313-5.html
http://techreport.com/review/29221/samsung-950-pro-512gb-ssd-reviewed/4
 

NVMe boasts great Seq. Read/write over SATA III, but people don't often move enough data to/from the SSDs to see the seq. speeds (not even close on NVMe drives). Servers can see that type of data movement, but generally, multiple users are hitting the same server to read the same data (for example, watching Futurama on Netflix, Markiplier's Undertale Live videos, Facebook).

Microcenter open box. I found a gtx 1060 3GB for $140

Microcenter open box. I found a gtx 1060 3GB for $140

It's not possible. R9 390 can crossfire with R9 290/R9 290X/R9 390/R9 390X. The benefits will be around 180% of your current performance in games that utilize crossfire well. Mind the heat and power consumption though, you need a good PSU to support that configuration and you need good airflow in your case.

Motherboard is?