Which is better in 1080p, 970 or 390?

[Sam Z Man]

and games dont care about that

Yes they do, how else go you think the 390 became better then the 290 and 970.

[DarkSmith2]

Yes they do, how else go you think the 390 became better then the 290 and 970.

it isnt thats the fun fact of it. but you became blended by relabling (higher core clock speed ftw)

 

it has the exact same numbers of:

Shading Units,

Texture Mapping Units,

Render Output Processors,

and Compute units.

 

IT is infact the same card with higher clock speeds, more vram and an optimized PCB to reduce its power consumption. (From 300Watts to 275Watts, duh).

 

And because its running really near to its limits on the oc versions you cant overclock it much further which makes it even worse.

This Card is a Blender.

[maizenblue]

Strictly from a performance standpoint the 390 is little better at 1080p, and the gap grows at higher resolutions from benchmarks Ive seen. The graph someone showed you is skewed because there are like one or two games more optimized for Nvidia that skew the results, as its a composite. In the vast majority of games the 390 is the clear winner.

At higher resolutions the 970 gets owned. So the 390 is a little more future proof.

The 970 does have substantially lower power consumption though, and realistically I doubt thered be a noticeable difference between the two at 1080p, so Id go with whatever is cheaper unless you are considering 1440p.

[DarkSmith2]

Strictly from a performance standpoint the 390 is little better at 1080p, and the gap grows at higher resolutions from benchmarks Ive seen. The graph someone showed you is skewed because there are like one or two games more optimized for Nvidia that skew the results, as its a composite. In the vast majority of games the 390 is the clear winner.

At higher resolutions the 970 gets owned. So the 390 is a little more future proof.

The 970 does have substantially lower power consumption though, and realistically I doubt thered be a noticeable difference between the two at 1080p, so Id go with whatever is cheaper unless you are considering 1440p.

nobody doubts that 8GB Vram are better for higher then 1080p gaming then 3,5GB+0,5GB. But as i said the card is allready bought on the edge of its limit out of the box. Where the GTX970 just has an average overclocking potential of 25% increased performance out of the box. Which not only beats the r9 390 in 1080p and 1440p. It also beats The reference GTX980 which beats the r9 390 by miles though.

[alicskysareblue]

Both are over kill for 1080p and vram won't be an issue. Get which one you like

Honestly your better off getting a 960 or 380x unless you use DSR which is a plus for the 970

[arronleeds]

Strictly from a performance standpoint the 390 is little better at 1080p, and the gap grows at higher resolutions from benchmarks Ive seen. The graph someone showed you is skewed because there are like one or two games more optimized for Nvidia that skew the results, as its a composite. In the vast majority of games the 390 is the clear winner.

At higher resolutions the 970 gets owned. So the 390 is a little more future proof.

The 970 does have substantially lower power consumption though, and realistically I doubt thered be a noticeable difference between the two at 1080p, so Id go with whatever is cheaper unless you are considering 1440p.

the 970 gets owned.... rofl thats legit... not.

[arronleeds]

Show me a R9 390 which beats my overclocked gtx970 g1 which just beats gtx980's ... (with stockvoltage)

what can you get your 970 to on stock voltage? is it samsung or hynix memory? my msi gets to 1554mhz.

[DarkSmith2]

what can you get your 970 to on stock voltage? is it samsung or hynix memory? my msi gets to 1554mhz.

Samsung Memory, i can go up to 8100MHz VRAM and 1600MHz Core benchmark stable but im pretty sure not gamestable with stockvoltage.

I decided to test its stability with 1500MHz Core and 8000MHz Mem without any voltage/powerlimit increases. 

 

It looks like this:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7556446

 

And its stable for over a month now. without any noticeable temperature increase (still hits 66°C max). well i should test it with a higher clockspeed now. But im to lazy to do this because it allready beats the stock clocked reference gtx980 compared with benchmarks. And stability testing is long and stressful.

 

Regarding to this Video a MSI 4G @1464MHz/8000MHz is enough to slightly beat the reference GTX980. 

 

Had a GTX970 G1 card with hynix Memory and bad coilwhine before.. I just exchanged it to my vendor. This card had 64% asic and could do 1580MHz on the Core but it needed the msi afterburner standard +powerlimit and +voltage increase. VRAM had gone to about 7550MHz (was pretty bad). Im sure most G1 or 4G cards can do 1500mhz on the core, with no to little voltage increase.

[arronleeds]

Samsung Memory, i can go up to 8100MHz VRAM and 1600MHz Core benchmark stable but im pretty sure not gamestable with stockvoltage.

I decided to test its stability with 1500MHz Core and 8000MHz Mem without any voltage/powerlimit increases. 

 

It looks like this:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7556446

 

And its stable for over a month now. without any noticeable temperature increase (still hits 66°C max). well i should test it with a higher clockspeed now. But im to lazy to do this because it allready beats the stock clocked reference gtx980 compared with benchmarks. And stability testing is long and stressful.

 

Regarding to this Video a MSI 4G @1464MHz/8000MHz is enough to slightly beat the reference GTX980. 

 

Had a GTX970 G1 card with hynix Memory and bad coilwhine before.. I just exchanged it to my vendor. This card had 64% asic and could do 1580MHz on the Core but it needed the msi afterburner standard +powerlimit and +voltage increase. VRAM had gone to about 7550MHz (was pretty bad). Im sure most G1 or 4G cards can do 1500mhz on the core, with no to little voltage increase.

a couple of months ago my gpu supplier said i could get a refund on my 970 due to the vram scandal, i may send my msi 4g back and try to get a g1 with samsung memory, my msi wont go more than 1554mhz even with unlocked power limit at 125% and an mv of +84. recently its been giving me bad fps drops too on bf4 and bfh.

[DarkSmith2]

a couple of months ago my gpu supplier said i could get a refund on my 970 due to the vram scandal, i may send my msi 4g back and try to get a g1 with samsung memory, my msi wont go more than 1554mhz even with unlocked power limit at 125% and an mv of +84. recently its been giving me bad fps drops too on bf4 and bfh.

hmm getting Samsung VRAM is luck. Also getting a card that can do so high is luck, its just teh damn silicon lottory man. How high can your VRAM go? I mean running it at 1500mhz + maybe 7600mem is still good enough. Unless you want to beat the aftermarket stock performance of the gtx980 oc versions with it ^^ (which starts @1600mhz core clock)

 

First when changing my card i was so dissapointed on the way home. Because he gave me a rev1.1 card and i thought its hynix again.. rumors said that samsung vram is only available on rev 1.0 cards. Well then after installation i ran GPU-Z and it said SAMSUNG .. i was so happy! Then i checked asic which said 71,9%  i really jumped off my chair haha Big moments^^

 

But if you are really unhappy with your cards OC i would suggest to try everything to change it. 

[sgloux3470]

Both are overkill cards for 1080p.

 

I don't really see much reason not to just keep the 280x.  It still performs admirably at 1080p.

[maizenblue]

the 970 gets owned.... rofl thats legit... not.

Im looking at GURU3d 1440p benchmarks right now. It doesn't have the 390, but heres the 390x, which is only slightly better than a 390.  Ill list a few games for you.

 

BF hardline.

R9 390X=49 FPS

GTX 970=40 FPS

 

Alien Isolation

R9 390x 91 FPS

GTX 970 43 FPS

 

Bioshock Infinite

390x 81 FPS

GTX 970 73 FPS

 

Shadow of Mordor

R9 390x 82 FPS

GTX 970 69 FPS

 

GTA V

R9 390x 61 FPS

GTX 970 55 FPS

 

Hitman Absolution

R9 390x 72 FPS

Gtx 970 54 FPS

 

Tomb Raider

R9 390x 95 FPS

GTX 970 83 FPS

 

Thief

R9 390X 55 FPS

Gtx 970 44 FPS

 

 

The only one the 970 comes close on is in GTA V, one of the Nvidia optimized titles I mentioned, and even then it gets beat by 6 FPS.

 

If you take it to 4k the 970 gets mauled even worse. In a couple of VRAM intensive games the 390x might even beat SLI 970s! It also beats the 980 in most of these games.

[DarkSmith2]

lol its a shame how close the reference gtx970 is to the 390x.. really it is.

 

And also this thread is about gtx970 vs r9 390 @1080p

You can also compare a gtx980 to a r9 390x @1080p. im sure the gtx980 is only "slightly" faster then a 970 too. (duh ><)

[DarkSmith2]

oops doublepost 

[arronleeds]

Im looking at GURU3d 1440p benchmarks right now. It doesn't have the 390, but heres the 390x, which is only slightly better than a 390. Ill list a few games for you.

BF hardline.

R9 390X=49 FPS

GTX 970=40 FPS

Alien Isolation

R9 390x 91 FPS

GTX 970 43 FPS

Bioshock Infinite

390x 81 FPS

GTX 970 73 FPS

Shadow of Mordor

R9 390x 82 FPS

GTX 970 69 FPS

GTA V

R9 390x 61 FPS

GTX 970 55 FPS

Hitman Absolution

R9 390x 72 FPS

Gtx 970 54 FPS

Tomb Raider

R9 390x 95 FPS

GTX 970 83 FPS

Thief

R9 390X 55 FPS

Gtx 970 44 FPS

The only one the 970 comes close on is in GTA V, one of the Nvidia optimized titles I mentioned, and even then it gets beat by 6 FPS.

If you take it to 4k the 970 gets mauled even worse. In a couple of VRAM intensive games the 390x might even beat SLI 970s! It also beats the 980 in most of these games.

I'm sorry but you're a fanboy, the 390x is a little less powerful than a 980.... A 390x wouldn't beat 970 sli in any game considering they're up there with the Titan x and 980ti.

[gilang01]

Get the 970... Once both are overclocked balls to the walls, the 970 will win

[gilang01]

Btw don't compare stock 970 with third party 390s and 390xs. My 970 gaming boosts to +1300 mhz on factory settings, and that's quite a lot compared to reference 970s.

[arronleeds]

Btw don't compare stock 970 with third party 390s and 390xs. My 970 gaming boosts to +1300 mhz on factory settings, and that's quite a lot compared to reference 970s.

well yeah thats reference... nearly every other 970 can do more than 1300mhz.

[DarkSmith2]

mine does clock to 1392MHz out of the box.