There will be no high end Steamroller CPUs from AMD.

[MetroP]

According to the latest AMD server roadmap, there will not be a Steamroller based CPU with more than 4 cores and the high performance segment will only see a piledriver refresh code named Warsaw on 32nm with only benefit being lower power consumption.

 

 

But it's not all bad news, AMD is claming close to 800% more performance/watt with the HSA enabled steamroller APUs as compared to the 4 & 6 core Piledriver based server CPUs.
 

Seattle
"Seattle" will be the industry's only 64-bit ARM-based server SoC from a proven server processor supplier. "Seattle" is an 8- and then 16-core CPU based on the ARM Cortex-A57 core and is expected to run at or greater than 2 GHz. The "Seattle" processor is expected to offer 2-4X the performance of AMD's recently announced AMD Opteron X-Series processor with significant improvement in compute-per-watt. It will deliver 128 GB DRAM support, extensive offload engines for better power efficiency and reduced CPU loading, server caliber encryption, and compression and legacy networking including integrated 10GbE. It will be the first processor from AMD to integrate AMD's advanced Freedom Fabric for dense compute systems directly onto the chip. AMD plans to sample "Seattle" in the first quarter of 2014 with production in the second half of the year.

Berlin
"Berlin" is an x86-based processor that will be available both as a CPU and APU. The processor boasts four next-generation "Steamroller" cores and will offer almost 8X the gigaflops per-watt compared to current AMD Opteron 6386SE processor. It will be the first server APU built on AMD's revolutionary Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), which enables uniform memory access for the CPU and GPU and makes programming as easy as C++. "Berlin" will offer extraordinary compute per-watt that enables massive rack density. It is expected to be available in the first half of 2014.

Warsaw
"Warsaw" is an enterprise server CPU optimized to deliver unparalleled performance and total cost of ownership for two- and four-socket servers. Designed for enterprise workloads, it will offer improved performance-per-watt, which drives down the cost of owning a "Warsaw"-based server while enabling seamless migration from the AMD Opteron 6300 Series family. It is a fully compatible socket with identical software certifications, making it ideal for the AMD Open 3.0 Server -- the industry's most cost effective Open Compute platform. It is expected to be available in the first quarter of 2014.

 

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-unveils-2013june18.aspx

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/158901-amd-server-assault-2014-roadmap/2

[Godlygamer23]

800%? I don't think so.

[Snickerzz]

ugh :/

[MetroP]

800%? I don't think so.

With HSA enabled workloads that's very easily achievable.

[crystal6tak]

...if there's really no high end steamroller chips then I guess I'm going to have to go intel then =/

[Snickerzz]

...if there's really no high end steamroller chips then I guess I'm going to have to go intel then =/

why not an 8320?

[ExDreamer]

This road map is for server cpu.There might be Fx based cpu on steamroller later this year.Notice that's no FX cpu in there.

[MetroP]

This road map is for server cpu.There might be Fx cpu based on steamroller later this year.

That's impossible, since AMD would use the latest & greatest technology on their server market first because of the significantly higher margins there.

If a 6 core or an 8 core steamroller CPU is in the works, it would be used in "Warsaw" but AMD states clearly that those will use "piledriver" .

[Glenwing]

Can no one read the "Server Roadmap" title on the chart?  This is not related to their consumer/enthusiast offerings.

[crystal6tak]

why not an 8320?

I use my system to game mostly and before you start going rampage on me saying 8320/8350 is enough for gaming it isn't unless the games are utilizing all 8 threads. Games like sc2 and skyrim are seriously bottlenecked by the fx chips and some other games slightly bottlenecked. I'm not trying to bash the fx chip or anything it's a really good chip considering it's price but for me at least the single thread performance just isn't enough.

[TERAFLOP]

Can no one read the "Server Roadmap" title on the chart?  This is not related to their consumer/enthusiast offerings.

[GPUXPert]

I use my system to game mostly and before you start going rampage on me saying 8320/8350 is enough for gaming it isn't unless the games are utilizing all 8 threads. Games like sc2 and skyrim are seriously bottlenecked by the fx chips and some other games slightly bottlenecked. I'm not trying to bash the fx chip or anything it's a really good chip considering it's price but for me at least the single thread performance just isn't enough.

All next gen games will use 8 cores, so this argument is not valid.

Back on topic, this news comes as a shock to me, why would AMD go to lengths to implement 8 cores in both next gen consoles & have developers optimizing for 8 cores then completely abandon 8 core designs for the PC & servers.

[Xelithium]

All next gen games will use 8 cores, so this argument is not valid.

Back on topic, this news comes as a shock to me, why would AMD go to lengths to implement 8 cores in both next gen consoles & have developers optimizing for 8 cores then completely abandon 8 core designs for the PC & servers.

Well, then I'm pretty sure an i7 will blow the AMD CPUs out of the water. I'm sorry but almost every DICE dev I have spoken to has Intel processors in their personal rigs.

 

IF 8 core utilization really takes off we might see hyperthreading in the i5 series of CPUs from intel and real 8 core CPUs in the i7 series. In the thread you linked they were comparing the 4 core i5 to the "8" core FX 8350. Not so surprising that they went with the "8" core.

[Glenwing]

 

Can no one read the "Server Roadmap" title on the chart?  This is not related to their consumer/enthusiast offerings.

 

 

Yes... this does not cover their full rollout of Steamroller, only their APUs.  Notice there is no word on what will occupy the performance segment in terms of Steamroller.

[SteepGnomeKing]

All next gen games will use 8 cores, so this argument is not valid.

Back on topic, this news comes as a shock to me, why would AMD go to lengths to implement 8 cores in both next gen consoles & have developers optimizing for 8 cores then completely abandon 8 core designs for the PC & servers.

 

Games won't be coded for 8 cores on a console. You have background processes on the new consoles now using some of the cores. I'd say maybe 6 at the most.

 

Non of these CPU's seem like enthusiast cpus. All server/enterprise, APU's, and low power consumption.

[Glenwing]

All next gen games will use 8 cores, so this argument is not valid.

Back on topic, this news comes as a shock to me, why would AMD go to lengths to implement 8 cores in both next gen consoles & have developers optimizing for 8 cores then completely abandon 8 core designs for the PC & servers.

 

Only for servers.  This news post is very sensationalist and has nothing to do with AMD's high end comsumer FX processors which will most likely be 8 core.

[GPUXPert]

Well, then I'm pretty sure an i7 will blow the AMD CPUs out of the water. I'm sorry but almost every DICE dev I have spoken to has Intel processors in their personal rigs.

 

IF 8 core utilization really takes off we might see hyperthreading in the i5 series of CPUs from intel and real 8 core CPUs in the i7 series. In the thread you linked they were comparing the 4 core i5 to the "8" core FX 8350. Not so surprising that they went with the "8" core.

Well the game developers unanimously disagree with you, they clearly stated that an AMD 8 core CPU (FX 8350 180$) is better for the games that they're developing right now than an intel 4 core CPU (3570K 210$).

If the people who are designing the games are telling you an 8350 is better than a 3570k, and you still say "3570K is better for gaming" then there is something clearly wrong with

your thought process.

Anyway this is not our topic of discussion, so now we have two sources stating that there will be no 6 or 8 core steamroller CPUs, this is a really sad day for enthusiasts.

Even if AMD managed to HSA optimize all ported games to the PC to utilize the massive floating point performance of the GPU portion on their upcoming Kaveri APUs, we'd still want a high performance CPU for compute workloads that doesn't cost nearly 400 dollars.

[Xelithium]

Well the game developers unanimously disagree with you, they clearly stated that an AMD 8 core CPU (FX 8350 180$) is better for the games that they're developing right now than an intel 4 core CPU (3570K 210$).

If the people who are designing the games are telling you an 8350 is better than a 3570k, and you still say "3570K is better for gaming" then there is something clearly wrong with

your thought process.

Anyway this is not our topic of discussion, so now we have two sources stating that there will be no 6 or 8 core steamroller CPUs, this is a really sad day for enthusiasts.

Even if AMD managed to HSA optimize all ported games to the PC to utilize the massive floating point performance of the GPU portion on their upcoming Kaveri APUs, we'd still want a high performance CPU for compute workloads that doesn't cost nearly 400 dollars.

I would like to see the part where I said that the i5 would be better. Please. I actually indirectly said that the FX 8350 would be a better choice.

[GPUXPert]

Only for servers.  This news post is very sensationalist and has nothing to do with AMD's high end comsumer FX processors which will most likely be 8 core.

AMD's Desktop Roadmap doesn't mention any 6 or 8 core AMD Steamroller CPUs, AMD's server roadmap clearly states upcoming Warsaw CPUs will use "piledriver" for the entirety of 2014.

Last year OBR Hardware leaked that there will be no FX CPUs based on Steamroller, this just confirms it to me.

Do you have evidence at all that supports your claim that AMD's upcoming high end consumer processors will most likely be 8 core ?

[TechFan@ic]

AMD's Desktop Roadmap doesn't mention any 6 or 8 core AMD Steamroller CPUs, AMD's server roadmap clearly states upcoming Warsaw CPUs will use "piledriver" for the entirety of 2014.

Last year OBR Hardware leaked that there will be no FX CPUs based on Steamroller, this just confirms it to me.

Do you have evidence at all that supports your claim that AMD's upcoming high end consumer processors will most likely be 8 core ?

I've heard about those rumors : http://wccftech.com/amd-rumored-discontinue-performance-cpus-piledriver-focus-apu-development/

I refused to believe them, because they contradict AMD's claims that Steamroller will be compatible with AM3+.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2208525/amd-sticks-with-socket-am3-for-steamroller

But when I asked AMD about Steamroller's compatibility with AM3+ they refused to comment on "unreleased products" .

However, the lack of 6 or 8 core steamroller CPUs on the server roadmap is truely worrying, AMD engineers have said time & time again that development of new cores starts in the server segment & then trickles down to consumers, so if it's not available for servers it is not available period.

[D3MON]

My guess is the same reason IB-E isnt out, its not a HUGE improvement so they roll it out every other time, SB-E, haswell-e and so on
im guessing amd is doing the same theyll probably release 10 and 20 core excavator based chips on a 22nm fab with ddr4 support some time next year

[thirdworldking]

omg warsaw my family is from there haha

[Xelithium]

My guess is the same reason IB-E isnt out, its not a HUGE improvement so they roll it out every other time, SB-E, haswell-e and so on

im guessing amd is doing the same theyll probably release 10 and 20 core excavator based chips on a 22nm fab with ddr4 support some time next year

Ehm, Ivy Bridge-E is coming this september.

 

Swedish Article: http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17203-intel-ivy-bridge-e-lanseras-i-september

[Darell3]

That 'map' clearly says SERVER.

[TechFan@ic]

That 'map' clearly says SERVER.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/27878-there-will-be-no-high-end-steamroller-cpus-from-amd/?p=354456