Defective Graphics Card? Bottleneck CPU?

[Demonking]

Id say your probably bottlenceking a little bit, what HZ is your monitor? If its not over 60 then upgrading your cpu is just a waste, besides the 8350 is better for streaming and gaming at the same time.

He has a 780ti which means it support shadow play so it can stream with the GPU doing the work

[Demonking]

I am not saying that intel isnt superior per core performance, but in BL2 it doesnt matter whichcpu you use, there will be cpu usage issues. The OP will be limited by the software, it would be disingenious to say it was due to X processor.

Intels IPC is much better than Amd, thats without doubt. But in BL2 (which is the example you used) its a bad example of a cpu bottleneck.

BL2 works fine on my 4670K hell far better than my X4 965 with my 760 maxed with Phys x on high its seems to be more CPU bound once i change my X4 965 out my FPS on high went from low 30's to high 40's sometimes 50 over looking in thousand cuts 

[miagisan]

BL2 works fine on my 4670K hell far better than my X4 965 with my 760 maxed with Phys x on high its seems to be more CPU bound once i change my X4 965 out my FPS on high went from low 30's to high 40's sometimes 50 over looking in thousand cuts 

Thats even more disingenuous....you are comparing a chip release in 2009 with one release in 2013? Course you are going to see a bounce in FPS.......

[FuzzyYellow]

I'm thinking something else is going on. I didn't remove my 750TI drivers, but after I installed this GPU, I went in Driver Manager and uninstalled Graphics Drivers, then installed 780TI drivers off of the disk, then updated them with Nvdia Experience.

I would try uninstalling all graphics drivers and start over.

an 8350 should not bottleneck a 780ti THAT much, like i said before.

[Jordan1417]

Id say your probably bottlenceking a little bit, what HZ is your monitor? If its not over 60 then upgrading your cpu is just a waste, besides the 8350 is better for streaming and gaming at the same time.

My monitor is 75HZ

[Totally-A-Hero]

My monitor is 75HZ

Ya its still not worth upgrading right now, if you ever go higher RES or 120-144hz, then upgrade but for now, just enjoy your 780ti and have fun gaming

[Demonking]

Thats even more disingenuous....you are comparing a chip release in 2009 with one release in 2013? Course you are going to see a bounce in FPS.......

if i went to piledriver i wouldn't of seen that big of a leap haswell has almost twice the IPC of piledriver 

[Jordan1417]

Ya its still not worth upgrading right now, if you ever go higher RES or 120-144hz, then upgrade but for now, just enjoy your 780ti and have fun gaming

Alright Thanks!

[miagisan]

if i went to piledriver i wouldn't of seen that big of a leap haswell has almost twice the IPC of piledriver 

Well considering that the OP is complaining about 55-75 fps on his 780ti and 75-90 on his old 750ti (both FPS are higher than yours with his 8350) is just more proof the 8350 is not holding back the cards.

[Demonking]

Well considering that the OP is complaining about 55-75 fps on his 780ti and 75-90 on his old 750ti (both FPS are higher than yours with his 8350) is just more proof the 8350 is not holding back the cards.

no cause i get maxed with phys x on high i get max FPS i seen over a 100 i'm saying over looking thousand cuts which is intensive if you look over where the death wall is where the view distance is pretty good also enimes are fighting each other with phys x taking effect thats how i benchmarked when i got my 4670K he should be getting better FPS than me i avg around 60 to 75 its alarming 

[miagisan]

OP - try wiping your drivers and reinstalling. According to http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fx-8350-8-core-black-edition-processor-review_2055/6 the 8350 in BL2 should rank up there with an i7-3770k.

 

Might be something screwey with your drivers.

[miagisan]

Actually i found an interesting article....they tested Borderlands 2 with last gen's video cards (for example the 600 series nvidia - couldnt find one as comprehensive with current gen) and with an i7 3960x. At max graphics, and even at 1680x1050 with everything on full....the game maxes at 75 fps (on average).....

 

http://www.techspot.com/review/577-borderlands-2-performance/page2.html

 

just interesting reading, But not sure on their methodology

[Jordan1417]

Actually i found an interesting article....they tested Borderlands 2 with last gen's video cards (for example the 600 series nvidia - couldnt find one as comprehensive with current gen) and with an i7 3960x. At max graphics, and even at 1680x1050 with everything on full....the game maxes at 75 fps (on average).....

 

http://www.techspot.com/review/577-borderlands-2-performance/page2.html

 

just interesting reading, But not sure on their methodology

Hmm I am not sure.

[Demonking]

Hmm I am not sure.

something is weird cause i'm getting better avg FPS than you & i have a GTX 760 with Phys x on high 

[nokturrduk84]

Head of your problem is CPU, causing bottlenecking. To fix this, you need to switch to Intel. Any i5/i7 will do the job well. You will need to change motherboard too. And if you're doing livestream and video editing, then you should definitely get i7.

[nokturrduk84]

I would try uninstalling all graphics drivers and start over.

an 8350 should not bottleneck a 780ti THAT much, like i said before.

It should. Here's bright example of this:

8350@4GHz average 70 fps with a 780@1200MHz

 

& 3930k@4.2GHz average 150 fps with a 780@stock

 

And the TI version will be bottlenecked even more.

[LemonSpice]

have you overclocked your cpu yet because you should oc it as much as possible as you need fast cores

[nokturrduk84]

OP - try wiping your drivers and reinstalling. According to http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fx-8350-8-core-black-edition-processor-review_2055/6 the 8350 in BL2 should rank up there with an i7-3770k.

 

Might be something screwey with your drivers.

Reinstalling drivers won't help, cause OP is bottlenecking hard with his current CPU. And i7-3770k stands far away ahead from 8350. 8350 is more near to hawell i3.

[FuzzyYellow]

Reinstalling drivers won't help, cause OP is bottlenecking hard with his current CPU. And i7-3770k stands far away ahead from 8350. 8350 is more near to hawell i3.

 

It should. Here's bright example of this:

8350@4GHz average 70 fps with a 780@1200MHz

& 3930k@4.2GHz average 150 fps with a 780@stock

 

And the TI version will be bottlenecked even more.

 Watch This. http://youtu.be/b6LUufXCPDM I'm pretty sure if a g3258 can maintain 50-70fps average with a 780ti (in BF4), then an fx-8350 should be more than capable of that also.

 

note: there are a couple scenes that dip with the G3258.

[Faceman]

@Jordan1417

 

Look man, we already covered this.  Your CPU is the bottleneck.  You need to switch to Intel if you want to get the most out of your GPU.  Maybe return the 780Ti, get a regular 780 and use some of that money saved going towards Intel. 

 

In the meantime, overclock your FX so that the bottleneck is not as severe.

[Bit8xPr0]

Maybe it's an issue with Cinebench? My friend got 75 with his R9 270 and I got 75 with my R9 290.

[-rascal-]

There is something not right here...

A GTX 750 Ti performs better than the GTX 780 Ti in games or only slightly better results.

 

I will say the FX-8350 at stock will create a bottleneck, but even so, it shouldn't be so dramatic.

When I had my FX-8350 at stock, it did quite well with my HD 7970 (which is quite a ways better than a GTX 750 Ti).

 

I'm going to recommend that you FIRST do the steps that are a less of a hassle and requires no more money spent

- Reinstall your graphics card drivers directly. No GeForce Experience crap. Just the latest stable drivers directly form NVidia's website. Cut the BS and straight to the point.

- If your motherboard / chipset drivers are quite old, check for any available updates.

- Make sure Windows is full up-to-date.

- Ensure you are running your games / benchmarks on full-screen. No Windowed mode.

- Keep an eye on the your temperatures for the CPU, VRM's on the motherboard, the Graphics card, the VRM's on the graphics card. (use HWMonitor / AIDA64 and GPU-Z...or similar programs for this)

 

I have a small feeling your motherboard VRM's may be throttling your CPU.

 

Just for comparison, my FX-8350 is overclocked to 4.8GHz (with a Thermaltake Frio CPU cooler -- more info in my profile) and it scores the following in Cinebench R15 (**with one HD 7970 installed)

• OpenGL: 105.46 FPS
• CPU (Multi-core) : 770cb
• CPU (Single-core): 115cb

[FuzzyYellow]

 

-Snip-

 

Finally someone who agrees with me and doesn't insist that the fx-8350 is crap!

[Timopomer]

the 8350 bottlenecks my 770 in certain games. 

 

a 170$ CPU with a 600$+ GPU generaly doesnt make sence.

[Sintezza]

His biggest bottleneck is his crappy Asus M5A97LE board.

4+1 powerphase and no heatspreader on the vrm area.

So you could guess what happens, wenn you going to push a FX8350 on it right?

 

Even a 7870 will get bottlenecked with that cpu + mobo combo.

Simpley because that board is not made for such a power asking cpu.

The vrm´s chokes, and northbridge will overheat as hell, even on stock speed.

The cpu just gets throttled by the overheating vrm´s.

 

Still the FX8350 can bottleneck a 780Ti in some games, that are only single threaded.

But it shouldn´t be that terrible.

Its obvious that his system is unstable.

And thats offcourse not so supricing with that cheapAss mobo.

AMD FX 8 cores just need a beefy vreg design, its not like intel.

The Thing is he can´t overclock, otherwise that board will selfcombust.

People just never learn.