The Fappening

[DildorTheDecent]

Lol seriously. Guy got exclusive celeb porn and gets 50k by leaking it? 

50k in BTC though. Hope he has fun on silk road. 

[Joseph FR]

Pictures of naked women on the internet? Inconceivable! I can understand why 4chan were so excited about it.

 

Honestly, though, why is this a big news story? Because the leaker was paid in bitcoins? Seeing how much pr0n there is already, this seems about as newsworthy as what I ate for dinner yesterday (a stir-fry, if you're interested - why not start an 8-page thread about it?).

[Yoinkerman]

Good to see rape culture is alive and well, great job guys.

[Dragoneye3769]

I like tits

[cae]

I was pretty disgusted with Eric Schmidt's quotes on privacy a few years back:

 

"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place;"

 

With regards to the "fappening" narrative, I'm hearing and seeing a lot of doublethink. I'm reading that the hackers stole the photos. If that's truly what happened (and I think it is), would the NSA not be guilty of the same thing? It was revealed that NSA workers exchanged questionable private photos by Edward Snowden, yet he was branded a traitor. Many that were outraged at the idea of the NSA invading their privacy are suddenly appreciative when celebrities are targeted in the same way. It's damn scary.

[Yoinkerman]

Well because one goes against the propaganda of America being the America America America America, and the other involves the basically world culture of shaming and degrading women for being women. Culturally going against America is a big nono while degrading women is fine.

Just look at this thread to see how many people are completely fine with victim blaming these celebrities and saying horrible things about them.

I was pretty disgusted with Eric Schmidt's quotes on privacy a few years back:

With regards to the "fappening" narrative, I'm hearing and seeing a lot of doublethink. I'm reading that the hackers stole the photos. If that's truly what happened (and I think it is), would the NSA not be guilty of the same thing? It was revealed that NSA workers exchanged questionable private photos by Edward Snowden, yet he was branded a traitor. Many that were outraged at the idea of the NSA invading their privacy are suddenly appreciative when celebrities are targeted in the same way. It's damn scary.

[LAwLz]

Good to see rape culture is alive and well, great job guys.

Wait... How is this in any way shape or form the same as rape?

That is extremely degrading towards victims of actual rape.

[cae]

Well because one goes against the propaganda of America being the America America America America, and the other involves the basically world culture of shaming and degrading women for being women. Culturally going against America is a big nono while degrading women is fine.

Just look at this thread to see how many people are completely fine with victim blaming these celebrities and saying horrible things about them.

 

I'm more concerned with the theft of private photos, something both issues seemed to have in common. It should be easier to see contradictory views that way. Are you okay with celebs having their private photos posted? If so, don't throw a fit when the NSA exchanges your photos. If not, maybe care a little more when the NSA does the same thing on a grand scale?

 

If they don't have contradictory views, and have no concern for privacy, nothing will change their minds. However, many claim to champion anonymity and disapprove of privacy breaches and with the same breath/keystrokes are complicit in the spread of photos that were obtained through a breach of privacy! It's so blatant, it's hard to believe it's even true. It's got false flag written all over it, and yet those individuals are playing into the role. I don't know, it's a gross situation.

[LAwLz]

I'm more concerned with the theft of private photos, something both issues seemed to have in common. It should be easier to see contradictory views that way. Are you okay with celebs having their private photos posted? If so, don't throw a fit when the NSA exchanges your photos. If not, maybe care a little more when the NSA does the same thing on a grand scale?

 

If they don't have contradictory views, and have no concern for privacy, nothing will change their minds. However, many claim to champion anonymity and disapprove of privacy breaches and with the same breath/keystrokes are complicit in the spread of photos that were obtained through a breach of privacy! It's so blatant, it's hard to believe it's even true. It's got false flag written all over it, and yet those individuals are playing into the role. I don't know, it's a gross situation.

Or maybe, just maybe, some people are totally okay with spreading these photos around because it highlights how much danger there is in uploading sensitive files to cloud storage solutions.

Maybe the people that are vocal about integrity and are against data harvesting have that stance because of things like this?

 

I don't really think it is that hypocritical. It's more like a "you didn't listen to me so now you have to pay the consequences" move in my eyes. At least that's true for most of the privacy concerned people I have seen.

[Yoinkerman]

If you're actually interested in how some of the posts in this thread are perpetuating rape culture, I'll be happy to oblige you once in off work in an hour or two, I'm just on my phone and can't make big posts. Also I specifically mentioned rape culture(it's real) , there's a big difference between it and rape, unless you're just trying to straw man me.

Wait... How is this in any way shape or form the same as rape?

That is extremely degrading towards victims of actual rape.

[LAwLz]

If you're actually interested in how some of the posts in this thread are perpetuating rape culture, I'll be happy to oblige you once in off work in an hour or two, I'm just on my phone and can't make big posts. Also I specifically mentioned rape culture(it's real) , there's a big difference between it and rape, unless you're just trying to straw man me.

Rape culture means a culture where rape is acceptable and normal. Naked photos online has absolutely nothing to do with rape.

Rape culture is not real, unless you have an extremely loose (and very wrong) definition of rape.

 

Actually, one of the criteria for rape culture is "trivializing rape", and that's exactly what you are doing right now. Having nude photos online is a very trivial thing compared to actually being rape. In fact, if you walked up to a real rape victim and said "I know exactly how you feel, I had naked photos of me leaked online" then I am pretty sure that person would beat the crap out of you.

I would very much like you to point me towards some of the posts which endorse rape in this thread. I think it's important to give you the definition of rape before we do so though, so that you don't trivialize it.

 

Rape [reyp]

noun

1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

[cae]

Or maybe, just maybe, some people are totally okay with spreading these photos around because it highlights how much danger there is in uploading sensitive files to cloud storage solutions.

Maybe the people that are vocal about integrity and are against data harvesting have that stance because of things like this?

 

I don't really think it is that hypocritical. It's more like a "you didn't listen to me so now you have to pay the consequences" move in my eyes. At least that's true for most of the privacy concerned people I have seen.

 

Really? Really? Look at the thread title. That's the moniker they're fine with for activism in data security awareness? Do explain how spreading the photos is helping that cause. It's absurdly hypocritical. Who decided the victims, and for what reason?

 

Certainly, there are people against data harvesting because of incidents like this. Spreading the stolen photos does nothing but harm the victims. Can't have it both ways.

[LAwLz]

Really? Really? Look at the thread title. That's the moniker you're fine with for activism in data security awareness? Do explain how spreading the photos is helping that cause. It's absurdly hypocritical. Who decided the victims, and for what reason?

 

Certainly, there are people against data harvesting because of incidents like this. Spreading the stolen photos does nothing but harm the victims. Can't have it both ways.

Well the more damage that is done the strong they make their point that privacy is a very big deal that people should take seriously.

Please don't say "the moniker you're fine with". I am not talking about my opinion here. If you want to hear what I think then see this post.

[Yoinkerman]

"Rape culture is not real" now I know you're just trolling. I had hoped for some real discussion, but I decided to take the bait from you anyway. That's OK.

If anyone is interested in acting like grown ups, let me know, and we can chat.

[cae]

Please don't say "the moniker you're fine with". I am not talking about my opinion here. If you want to hear what I think then see this post.

 

Edited. Your post does contain victim blaming though. Their fault for uploading the photos. Their fault for not having protection against hackers. Calling them sluts. It's just wrong.

 

Well the more damage that is done the strong they make their point that privacy is a very big deal that people should take seriously.

 

Aren't there more effective ways to get the message out there without hurting people more, or at all? That line of thought is like "Maybe if we all raped someone, it'd bring awareness to the fact that rape is bad and shouldn't occur!"

[LAwLz]

"Rape culture is not real" now I know you're just trolling. I had hoped for some real discussion, but I decided to take the bait from you anyway. That's OK.

If anyone is interested in acting like grown ups, let me know, and we can chat.

Okay it is real, but it does not exist in any civilized society.

Do you know the definition of rape? Because it seems like you don't. I posted it earlier in the thread.

I strongly recommend this paper written by Christina Hoff Summers called "Researching the "Rape Culture" of America". It's an interesting read.

I am still waiting for you to point towards post advocating rape by the way.

 

 

 

Edited. Your post does contain victim blaming though. Their fault for uploading the photos. Their fault for not having protection against hackers. Calling them sluts. It's just wrong.

Yes my post has some "victim blaming". I didn't blame them for not protecting against people getting unauthorized access to their files. I was blaming Apple for letting that happen.

What I said was that uploading photos of yourself naked to the Internet is a recipe for disaster. Call that victim blaming if you want, but it's true. Uploading those kinds of picture is a very bad idea. How many times do we have to see this happen before people learn?

 

A slut is a woman with loose sexual morals. I think uploading naked pictures of yourself to the Internet counts as having loose morals so that's why I picked that word. Of course what you think of as loose sexual morals might be different so they may not be sluts in your eyes. It's subjective though.

 

 

 

Aren't there more effective ways to get the message out there without hurting people more, or at all? That line of thought is like "Maybe if we all raped someone, it'd bring awareness to the fact that rape is bad and shouldn't occur!"

Well rape is a far more serious crime which has real negative effects. Having a random stranger look at a naked photo of you, which you willingly took yourself, is not even close to as bad as physically being harmed in a very dangerous way. Naked pictures of you on the Internet is at worst uncomfortable. Being raped is far more serious.

 

Can we please stop comparing this to rape? It's very insensitive and disrespectful to victims of real rape.

People looking at porn you made is not the same as people raping you.

[Sky Daddy]

When it's everyone's privacy nobody bats an eye, but when celeb nudes get leaked the FBI jumps on the case. le sigh

[eLucid]

Good to see rape culture is alive and well, great job guys.

You must be a feminazi if you actually believe this. What an insult to rape victims all over the world. I suppose you're going to tell us this is a sex crime too, right?

 

Unbelievable.

[UnknownDepths]

You must be a feminazi if you actually believe this. What an insult to rape victims all over the world. I suppose you're going to tell us this is a sex crime too, right?

Unbelievable.

I agree this is insulting to REAL rape victims and shouldn't be compared.

[cae]

Yes my post has some "victim blaming". I didn't blame them for not protecting against people getting unauthorized access to their files. I was blaming Apple for letting that happen.

What I said was that uploading photos of yourself naked to the Internet is a recipe for disaster. Call that victim blaming if you want, but it's true. Uploading those kinds of picture is a very bad idea. How many times do we have to see this happen before people learn?

 

A slut is a woman with loose sexual morals. I think uploading naked pictures of yourself to the Internet counts as having loose morals so that's why I picked that word. Of course what you think of as loose sexual morals might be different so they may not be sluts in your eyes. It's subjective though.

 

You're putting theft of personal photos and voluntary uploading in the same context. They're not the same thing. You're judging them based on information that would not have been available to you had it not been stolen from them, and only that information. If you want to blame Apple too (they're victims as well) phrasing it as "such a turnoff for me" is quite confusing.

 

Well rape is a far more serious crime which has real negative effects. Having a random stranger look at a naked photo of you, which you willingly took yourself, is not even close to as bad as physically being harmed in a very dangerous way. Naked pictures of you on the Internet is at worst uncomfortable. Being raped is far more serious.

 

Can we please stop comparing this to rape? It's very insensitive and disrespectful to victims of real rape.

People looking at porn you made is not the same as people raping you.

 

I use rape as an extreme example to hopefully illustrate (if not to you, others at least) how absurd that argument was. If you didn't like it, why don't we go pre-internet? Let's say a couple videotapes/photographs themselves intimately. Then, a thief breaks their door in and steals those videotapes/photographs, copies them several times and some of his buddies even pay him for it. That couple may have willingly taken those videos/photos, but they did not willingly distribute them. Yet, somehow this is the couple's fault for not being home, or not having deadbolts, or taking the videos/photos in the first place, and all the while you're distributing and/or in possession of stolen property! "Ah, but we were only doing it to raise the awareness of robberies in the neighborhood!"

[Mooshi]

Good to see rape culture is alive and well, great job guys.

 

I seriously hope that was sarcasm since when the hell was staring at a nude body the same as rape? Get out if serious.

 

Someone being raped and someone being stupid enough to put their nudes in cloud storage are two COMPLETELY different things. If you were serious, I now have another user to place on my not credible list.

[Norman_the_Owl]

"Rape culture is not real" now I know you're just trolling. I had hoped for some real discussion, but I decided to take the bait from you anyway. That's OK.

If anyone is interested in acting like grown ups, let me know, and we can chat.

He's trolling? Don't you mean you're trolling? Because posting nude pictures of celebrities that were stolen isn't rape in any way shape or form.

 

That's actually seriously insulting, you need to stop saying stupid things before someone beats the crap out of you

[cae]

This is why I don't like buzzwords, they'll just confuse people. Rape culture.

 

Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, or refusing to acknowledge the harm of certain forms of sexual violence that do not conform to certain stereotypes of stranger or violent rape.

 

tl;dr - they weren't saying this is rape.

[Stefano]

It is time that celebs started taking polaroids.

[LAwLz]

You're putting theft of personal photos and voluntary uploading in the same context. They're not the same thing. You're judging them based on information that would not have been available to you had it not been stolen from them, and only that information. If you want to blame Apple too (they're victims as well) phrasing it as "such a turnoff for me" is quite confusing.

I never said they voluntarily made the photos public. They voluntarily uploaded the photos to the Internet, thus putting the responsibility of keeping them safe in the hands of someone else. That's simply not a good idea, as we can see.

Yes I am judging them by info that I wouldn't have had access to otherwise. I don't see any problem with that really. A lot of people were judging the racist comment that team manager (can't remember the name) made and I think that's fair as well. I am judging the NSA based on info that were stolen from them by Snowden. I don't see any problem with including info that has been leaked/stolen from someone when I judge someone. I won't disregard info just because the info was obtained through questionable methods.

 

The part about being turned off by sloppy security was kind of a joke. I was trying to highlight how little I care about the celeb photos.

I have blamed Apple quite a lot in this thread, and posted a few ways how they could have avoided it. I'd rather not detail this thread.

 

 

I use rape as an extreme example to hopefully illustrate (if not to you, others at least) how absurd that argument was. If you didn't like it, why don't we go pre-internet? Let's say a couple videotapes/photographs themselves intimately. Then, a thief breaks their door in and steals those videotapes/photographs, copies them several times and some of his buddies even pay him for it. That couple may have willingly taken those videos/photos, but they did not willingly distribute them. Yet, somehow this is the couple's fault for not being home, or not having deadbolts, or taking the videos/photos in the first place, and all the while you're distributing and/or in possession of stolen property! "Ah, but we were only doing it to raise the awareness of robberies in the neighborhood!"

You're forgetting one crucial part in the story. The video tapes and the robbery was not in their own home. After having recorded the videos they made thousands of copies and stored them in a storage house somewhere. That storage house was then robbed and the videos were spread around.

In that scenario then yes, I would have recommended against making all the copies and storing them somewhere where they don't have direct control over them.

 

 

The problem with shouting "victim blame" is that you remove all responsibility from the victim. In this scenario they made a very bad decision to upload those photos.

 

 

 

 

This is why I don't like buzzwords, they'll just confuse people. Rape culture.

 

 

tl;dr - they weren't saying this is rape.

That's not the definition of rape culture. That are some of the things which exists in rape culture.

The definition of rape culture is this: "The Rape Culture is best defined as a culture in which rape is prevalent and pervasive and is sanctioned and maintained through fundamental attitudes and beliefs about gender, sexuality, and violence."

 

Rape culture is a culture where rape is acceptable. Things that makes it acceptable are the things you listed.

 

Saying that this is "supporting rape culture" is like saying people who blame the gun instructor are "supporting murder culture".

Actually that's not a fair comparison because someone actually died in that instance. No one was raped in the event of the nudes leaked. You get the point though.