$2000 PC

[Zeorth]

So I’m building a PC for 2000ish USD (can go a bit above). I dont need OS, peripherals or monitors. I asked this a couple months ago but waited until

now like people told me to. Has anything come out? Should I wait for anything? Can anyone please make a PCPP list? Thanks

[brob]

What usage?

[Cereal5]

Plenty of people can make a PPP list (including you).

• What games do you play
• what resolution/refresh rate
• do you do anything besides game
• do you want RGB
• do you have brand preferences
• any other random stuff?

[bellabichon]

Nothing new really worth buying has come out in the past few months. RTX launched, but without RTX, and the 9th gen Intel chips have no hyper-threading, so we'll have to wait and see about performance. The only new-ish thing worth buying at this point would be Ryzen 2. 

[Guest]

This should be helpful:

https://www.wepc.com/builds/best-gaming-pc-under-2000/

The 1080 Ti is very competent and a much better value than the 2080 Ti.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, bellabichon said:

Nothing new really worth buying has come out in the past few months. RTX launched, but without RTX, and the 9th gen Intel chips have no hyper-threading, so we'll have to wait and see about performance. The only new-ish thing worth buying at this point would be Ryzen 2. 

Honestly if they have been waiting this long might as well buy. I mean can't wait forever. 

[nick name]

24 minutes ago, OreoPandas said:

So I’m building a PC for 2000ish USD (can go a bit above). I dont need OS, peripherals or monitors. I asked this a couple months ago but waited until

now like people told me to. Has anything come out? Should I wait for anything? Can anyone please make a PCPP list? Thanks

If you want the best then a CPU and GPU will eat up 95% of that budget.  Can you give a little more guidance?

[brob]

Lots of new tech worth buying.

 

The new i7-9700K & i9-9900K use a solder thermal interface material (TIM) and should therefore have more efficient cooling and thus better overclocking potential. 

 

The new i7-9700K has eight non-hyperthreaded cores and higher clocks than the six hyperthreaded core i7-8700K. As a result it has slightly better stock performance.

 

While many are saying the RTX 2080 is not worth the price premium over the GTX 1080 Ti, that is only true at lower resolutions. If one plans to game at QHD or UHD resolutions the RTX 2080 does have notably better performance.

 

If you are gaming, consider a build along the following lines.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($189.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card  ($789.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2002.62
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-02 13:17 EDT-0400

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, brob said:

Lots of new tech worth buying.

 

The new i7-9700K & i9-9900K use a solder thermal interface material (TIM) and should therefore have more efficient cooling and thus better overclocking potential. 

 

The new i7-9700K has eight non-hyperthreaded cores and higher clocks than the six hyperthreaded core i7-8700K. As a result it has slightly better stock performance.

 

While many are saying the RTX 2080 is not worth the price premium over the GTX 1080 Ti, that is only true at lower resolutions. If one plans to game at QHD or UHD resolutions the RTX 2080 does have notably better performance.

 

If you are gaming, consider a build along the following lines.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($189.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card  ($789.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2002.62
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-02 13:17 EDT-0400

That's actually inccorect. They are soldered but they are also thicker making them very much hotter than the 8700k. Alot of people were getting something like 90 degrees at stock with the 9900k. 

[Vasllo]

If you're not going high refresh rate, go with Ryzen instead, but this is a good all-around build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor	$419.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$145.69 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$193.34 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$154.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB XC GAMING Video Card	$799.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$170.10 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$94.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2172.77
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-02 13:32 EDT-0400

 

[Vasllo]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

That's actually inccorect. They are soldered but they are also thicker making them very much hotter than the 8700k. Alot of people were getting something like 90 degrees at stock with the 9900k. 

Well, it also has 33% more cores, so it's not really comparable. The solder, even though the silicon and solder are thicker than ideal, is still better than the paste, but a bit worse than LM. Intel is just pushing it to the limit, no normal thermal solution will keep these chips in good temps.

[brob]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

That's actually inccorect. They are soldered but they are also thicker making them very much hotter than the 8700k. Alot of people were getting something like 90 degrees at stock with the 9900k. 

 

You are going to have to explain this. As far as I know there is no stock cooler for the i9-9900K.

[Vasllo]

1 minute ago, brob said:

 

You are going to have to explain this. As far as I know there is no stock cooler for the i9-9900K.

Stock configuration = No overclock.

[brob]

Just now, Vasllo said:

Stock configuration = No overclock.

Well if I put a cheap cooler on a K cpu, should I expect anything else under load?

[Vasllo]

11 minutes ago, brob said:

Lots of new tech worth buying.

 

The new i7-9700K & i9-9900K use a solder thermal interface material (TIM) and should therefore have more efficient cooling and thus better overclocking potential. 

 

The new i7-9700K has eight non-hyperthreaded cores and higher clocks than the six hyperthreaded core i7-8700K. As a result it has slightly better stock performance.

 

While many are saying the RTX 2080 is not worth the price premium over the GTX 1080 Ti, that is only true at lower resolutions. If one plans to game at QHD or UHD resolutions the RTX 2080 does have notably better performance.

 

If you are gaming, consider a build along the following lines.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($189.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card  ($789.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2002.62
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-02 13:17 EDT-0400

I don't see any considerable difference in any resolution, nor a considerable difference between the % performance difference from 1080p or 1440p to 4k, the margin is rather stable: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3365-nvidia-rtx-2080-founders-edition-review-benchmarks-vs-gtx-1080-ti

 

It just edges out the 1080 Ti in most scenarios, but nothing considerable, and VRAM might be an issue, not sure though.

[Vasllo]

1 minute ago, brob said:

Well if I put a cheap cooler on a K cpu, should I expect anything else under load?

You're not getting it, he said the 9900k runs at 90C in stock configuration, he didn't mention the cooler at any point. It wouldn't even turbo with a Intel stock cooler, and still run into the 100s.

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, Vasllo said:

Well, it also has 33% more cores, so it's not really comparable. The solder, even though the silicon and solder are thicker than ideal, is still better than the paste, but a bit worse than LM. Intel is just pushing it to the limit, no normal thermal solution will keep these chips in good temps.

Like I said the cpus run hot af. They won't overclock better than the 9700k and what they said was simply inccorect. If they had a thinner die and used the thermal paste they had been using it likely would have been not much more heatwise especially when you take into account the increased die surface area for better hear dissipation. 

[Cereal5]

ATthat price, I’m gonna have to vote against the 9700K and for the 8700K, since it’s $50+ off that price. Other than that, do whatever (also recommend the H100i pro over the V2)

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, brob said:

Well if I put a cheap cooler on a K cpu, should I expect anything else under load?

They need a 280mm liquid cooler just to keep it under control at stock. That is not the same as you need a decent cooler. Someone puts a 240mm cooler which is quite expensive and it still will run super hot.

[Vasllo]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Like I said the cpus run hot af. They won't overclock better than the 9700k and what they said was simply inccorect. If they had a thinner die and used the thermal paste they had been using it likely would have been not much more heatwise especially when you take into account the increased die surface area for better hear dissipation. 

Possibly, yes, but it would run hotter, probably about 5C, I would guess, from what I've seen from Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus. Still, Intel is not stupid, they stick to paste for years, they soldered it because it's necessary, this 5C difference is the headroom they needed.

[Brooksie359]

9 minutes ago, brob said:

 

You are going to have to explain this. As far as I know there is no stock cooler for the i9-9900K.

These are on reviews using usually something around a 240mm cooler or better. Across the board they were getting into the 90s at stock clocks. 

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Vasllo said:

Possibly, yes, but it would run hotter, probably about 5C, I would guess, from what I've seen from Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus. Still, Intel is not stupid, they stick to paste for years, they soldered it because it's necessary, this 5C difference is the headroom they needed.

My main point was the solder isn't really more efficient at least not enough to matter because the cpu still runs hotter than the 8700k and won't be getting any boost in overclocking headroom due to thermals. I would actually guess that because the 9700k is an imperfect die and couldn't become a 9900k it would actually be a worse overclocker. 

[Vasllo]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

My main point was the solder isn't really more efficient at least not enough to matter because the cpu still runs hotter than the 8700k and won't be getting any boost in overclocking headroom due to thermals. I would actually guess that because the 9700k is an imperfect die and couldn't become a 9900k it would actually be a worse overclocker. 

You might want to check this: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3378-intel-9900k-cpu-review-solder-vs-paste-delid-gaming-benchmarks-vs-2700x/page-2

And the 9700k might not be binned at all, just have HT disabled and that's it, the rest is just silicon lottery.

[brob]

There is no doubt that Coffee Lake i7 need better cooling given ~33% more cores. The reports I've seen of i7-9700K oc results do suggest slightly better clocks than the i7-8700K. One can debate whether the better performance is worth the premium price. Personally I think it is unless budget is tight.

 

As to RTX performance at higher resolutions, there seems to be quite a variance in the results of various reviews. 

[Brooksie359]

5 minutes ago, brob said:

There is no doubt that Coffee Lake i7 need better cooling given ~33% more cores. The reports I've seen of i7-9700K oc results do suggest slightly better clocks than the i7-8700K. One can debate whether the better performance is worth the premium price. Personally I think it is unless budget is tight.

 

As to RTX performance at higher resolutions, there seems to be quite a variance in the results of various reviews. 

Really? Because I was watch reviews and found the opposite to be true. I was watching der8auer and he was saying he was having a harder time overclocking these chips and needed to some crazy delids to get them to run a decent overclock. Not only that some of them simply refused to go to 5ghz. I honestly think the 9700k is just a bad cpu. The 8700k seems like the better buy 100%.