Christmas CPU?

[Crimson9X]

I am getting a new upgrade for my system this Christmas and am wondering if I should get a 2700x or a 9700k. Is hyperthreading important in video editing and other applications like it? Or would I be better off going with lower clock speeds but moar threads? Thanks!

[xdeathshot20]

without knowing the exact specs of the 9700k you really cant say which one will be better,  but in video editing yes hyper threading will be benificial 

[Cereal5]

Well... no one knows. Cause it's not out yet.

[Crimson9X]

1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

Well... no one knows. Cause it's not out yet.

I'm very certain that it comes equipped with 8 cores w/ 8 threads at 3.6Ghz with a boost clock of around 4.9Ghz. Also will be priced at round $350

[dizmo]

Wait until both can be compared. Decide then. Pointless to ask now.

[Crimson9X]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Wait until both can be compared. Decide then. Pointless to ask now.

True but I'm more trying to ask which specs would theoretically be better for video editing and gaming

[Crimson9X]

would the absence of hyper threading make a huge deal?

[dizmo]

Just now, Crimson9X said:

True but I'm more trying to ask which specs would theoretically be better for video editing and gaming

Again, until we see what the performance of the 9700k is like, we don't know.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Will hyperthreading perform better than without?  Almost certainly.

Will a none-hyperthreaded top-end Intel perform better than a 2700x?  Hard to say.

You do typically need faster RAM and better cooling for Ryzen, which might be a consideration.  But then we don't know how the 9700k will fare there so we would only be guessing.

 

So as others have said, we can't even theorise here as we have no idea if the 9700k will start to become bottlenecked by slower RAM or be more comparable to the 2700x in its cooling requirements.

[Emberstone]

There's a rumor that pricing will be $500+ for the 9700K, though. It might just be better to get an 8700K and put that $200 toward a better graphics card if you want to do some high-end gaming.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Crimson9X said:

would the absence of hyper threading make a huge deal?

for video editing, definitely. But it isnt the time to decide AMD or Intel yet.

[Fasauceome]

25 minutes ago, Crimson9X said:

I am getting a new upgrade for my system this Christmas and am wondering if I should get a 2700x or a 9700k. Is hyperthreading important in video editing and other applications like it? Or would I be better off going with lower clock speeds but moar threads? Thanks!

8 cores and 8 threads will perform roughly slightly worse than 6 cores and 12 threads

The comparison we have currently to try to approximate this is that the 6 core i5 8600k roughly matches the 4 core i7 7700k in multithreaded applications, which gives the estimation that 4 hyperthreads can do about as well as 2 physical cores. With 8 cores vs 12 threads, you'll have 6 physical cores matched on each, and the 2 physical cores left over will be against 6 hyperthreads, so you should expect more performance out of the hyperthreaded CPU. Of course, this all goes out the window if you can afford the hyperthreaded 8 core core i9, which will undoubtedly dominate both.

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

8 cores and 8 threads will perform roughly slightly worse than 6 cores and 12 threads

The comparison we have currently to try to approximate this is that the 6 core i5 8600k roughly matches the 4 core i7 7700k in multithreaded applications, which gives the estimation that 4 hyperthreads can do about as well as 2 physical cores. With 8 cores vs 12 threads, you'll have 6 physical cores matched on each, and the 2 physical cores left over will be against 6 hyperthreads, so you should expect more performance out of the hyperthreaded CPU. Of course, this all goes out the window if you can afford the hyperthreaded 8 core core i9, which will undoubtedly dominate both.

Still depends on software being used

Along with clocks ipc(which is vague because many instruction sets) and sometimes ram being used

Many think ram frequency doesn't matter for Intel but it does for certain software and or areas of the software and games like fo4

 

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

Still depends on software being used

Along with clocks ipc(which is vague because many instruction sets) and sometimes ram being used

Many think ram frequency doesn't matter for Intel but it does for certain software and or areas of the software and games like fo4

 

I highly doubt IPC will increase much, if at all given the frantic approach Intel seems to be taking with their platform shifts. However, the clock speed difference could be large, but I doubt large enough to make up all that ground.

[pas008]

29 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

I highly doubt IPC will increase much, if at all given the frantic approach Intel seems to be taking with their platform shifts. However, the clock speed difference could be large, but I doubt large enough to make up all that ground.

You can call it frantic

I call it competition you don't sit on your hands while they scored few times

You counter

Avx performance?

Overall ipc really can't be measured only how the software uses the instruction sets

If op would state software would tell us more

Software is always key

I would love to jump to amd but I'm cad Adobe and gaming

All Intel there

 

[Crimson9X]

20 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Will hyperthreading perform better than without?  Almost certainly.

Will a none-hyperthreaded top-end Intel perform better than a 2700x?  Hard to say.

You do typically need faster RAM and better cooling for Ryzen, which might be a consideration.  But then we don't know how the 9700k will fare there so we would only be guessing.

 

So as others have said, we can't even theorise here as we have no idea if the 9700k will start to become bottlenecked by slower RAM or be more comparable to the 2700x in its cooling requirements.

What would be fast RAM in the context you are speaking from? 3000Mhz, 3200Mhz, 3600Mhz, 4000?