Balancing over PC components

[Premoz1]

I dont knoe sht about amd ryzen cpus, tell me what intel processor amd 5-1500x would be. thx for help

 

[Amazonsucks]

8 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

I dont knoe sht about amd ryzen cpus, tell me what intel processor amd 5-1500x would be. thx for help

 

Its like a previous generation LGA1151 i7 with a 3.6GHz clock(so a slower clock) but it does have double the L3 cache of a quad core LGA1151 i7.

 

It has 2 threads per core SMT(simultaneous multithreading) which is what Intel calls Hyperthreading so its 4 core 8 threads like a previous generation LGA1151 i7.

 

[Amazonsucks]

Im not sure 3 separate threads for the same build is going to get you any more useful information than the first one ?

 

Freesync and Gsync are variable refresh rate technologies for monitors. You need a GPU that supports it. The CPU doesnt matter. The monitors with these features will eat up a significant portion of your budget if you want balance.

[GoldenLag]

@Premoz1 go with the first build @Streetguru posted. It is the best value for money build you will be able to get at 1K€

 

Believe me, i design budget build all the time. And i would have picked the exact same parts pretty much.

 

Edit: i would have somehow squeezed in a Crucial MX500 250GB SSD.

[Amazonsucks]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

@Premoz1 go with the first build @Streetguru posted. It is the best value for money build you will be able to get at 1K€

 

Believe me, i design budget build all the time. And i would have picked the exact same parts pretty much.

 

Edit: i would have somehow squeezed in a Crucial MX500 250GB SSD.

He posted everything from Germany but the OP is in Finland with 24% VAT. 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

 

Edit: i would have somehow squeezed in a Crucial MX500 250GB SSD.

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LNM4NQ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LNM4NQ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€148.89 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.75 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€63.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: KFA2 - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB EX Video Card  (€457.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (€32.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€87.69 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1060.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-06 01:02 CEST+020

 

My effort at best value build. It wont get much better than this

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Amazonsucks said:

He posted everything from Germany but the OP is in Finland with 24% VAT. 

Give me 3 min ill fix this to a 750€ build

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

He posted everything from Germany but the OP is in Finland with 24% VAT. 

 

7 hours ago, Premoz1 said:

Nono.. I didnt talk about tax, I said that is it worth to spent 24% of my budget to cpu, and I already got a answer to that. Could you make me a pc with display? I am pretty bad at it myself

 

Then just get the R3 2200G instead of the R5 1600, you can easily upgrade on AM4 later. And maybe drop the SSD and add it later as well to get it under budget with tax.

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

 

Then just get the R3 2200G instead of the R5 1600, you can easily upgrade on AM4 later. And maybe drop the SSD and add it later as well to get it under budget with tax.

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xNt98Y
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xNt98Y/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€83.89 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.75 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€94.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card  (€399.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Apevia - X-QTIS-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€29.54 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €783.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-06 01:08 CEST+0200

 

Should go under budget with tax. 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

 

It's missing the 1080p 144hz free-sync display

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

It's missing the 1080p 144hz free-sync display

Its that in addition to the 1000€ budget or within. I kinda havent followed the entire thread

[Amazonsucks]

Thats why i used Jimms. I know that theyre a reputable Finnish retailer and it will show what price he can expect in Finland, not Germany.

 

I switched to Ryzen 5 or 3(30€ difference) but that left about 150€ for a monitor. 

 

Its kinda hard for the OP to get it all, balanced and high performance. If he gets a 144Hz monitor, that requires sufficient CPU and GPU capability.

 

RX580 4GB and 570s are actually more expensive than the 1060 6GB i included as well.

 

I'd say go with Ryzen and the 1060 and get a basic 1080p 60Hz monitor until he can afford something better. At least then he would have the capability of actually playing the games he wants to now on reasonably high settings, but with nothing fancy for the monitor.

 

Cut corners with the CPU or GPU and he can get a 144Hz monitor but it wont be of any real benefit to him. He will be playing games at low frame rates on a 144Hz monitor if he does, which is pointless. 

[GoldenLag]

14 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It's missing the 1080p 144hz free-sync display

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HTQcMZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HTQcMZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€83.89 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.75 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€94.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8GB DUAL Video Card  (€279.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Apevia - X-QTIS-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€29.54 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: Lenovo - 65D9GAC4EU 24.5" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (€215.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €878.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-06 01:17 CEST+0200

 

Flex a bit on the case. Pick whatever is the cheapest 2x4GB kit of 3000/3200 mhz RAM.

 

Grab the cheapest RX 580 8GB or 4GB if you want to save some money. 

 

Im going to bed, sorry for interupting. Streetguru take it from here. I probably shouldnt have interrupted

[minervx]

On 04/07/2018 at 5:34 PM, Premoz1 said:

Hi, I need help on pc components balance. I have 1k budget, and I have already chosen 240€ cpu, (i5-8600 core coffee lake) So basically its 24% of my budget. Is that good? And I have watched other forums, and people say that it depends on what games, settings and what resolution are you gonna play, and I want to play CSGO, R6S, PUBG, Fortnite, and Rust on 1080p and low-medium settings. So if anyone would like to help me on how much I should spent on gpu, ram, motherboard etc... And by the way, about motherboards.. The cpu I have chosen requires LGA1151 and there is different prices... Should I just choose cheapest one? Please help me to choose motherboard. Thank you people.

CPU and GPU should be the biggest chunks.

 

Cooling and fans don't need much resources.

 

Don't overspend on motherboard.

 

Fit an SSD somewhere, even if its only 120 GB. 

 

Go with 8 GB RAM instead of 16.

And AMD > Intel

 

Ryzen 2600x overclocks and i5-8600 doesn't.

[Premoz1]

Guys remeber that I have to get display to that 1k budget

[Amazonsucks]

1 hour ago, Premoz1 said:

Guys remeber that I have to get display to that 1k budget

I adjusted for that, but you cant really get a well balanced and high performance system with an expensive monitor within that budget. Not with 24% VAT in Finland. 

 

If you read my earlier posts i recommend getting a cheaper monitor with a Ryzen CPU.

[WkdPaul]

* Threads merged *

[Fasauceome]

With a coffee lake i5, I recommend a gtx 1060 6GB or a gtx 1070. That will give you very nice gaming performance. As for monitor, g-sync is very expensive. Free sync is cheaper, which is why so many people recommend AMD graphics cards. I would just get a 120HZ monitor that works with any system. I don't have a specific recommendation, since I've been very happy with 60 FPS high details, and never looked into higher refresh rate monitors. 

I also very strongly recommend at least a 120GB SSD for windows and important/favorite programs, as it increases the speed of using these tremendously. 

Also, just ignore people telling you to get Ryzen CPU / RX graphics card. Even though I recommend Ryzen myself, it's clear that's not what you want.

[Premoz1]

No, I have changed my mind, I will get Amd ryzen 5 1600. 

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

No, I have changed my mind, I will get Amd ryzen 5 1600. 

Got it. if you're comfortable with Ryzen, you can probably use some of the money you saved and get a 1070 ti. I find it delivers a good price to performance ratio, really worth the money to get a cheaper model (unless you like to overclock, then feel free to get a fancy model and crank it up.) Also, keep in mind that one of the main draws of Ryzen is universal overclocking, so if you get a nice b350 or x370 motherboard, you can really get more bang for your buck, provided you buy a nice CPU cooler, although the new wraith coolers that come with them have proven to be quite admirable.

[Premoz1]

I am going to buy gtx 1060 ti probably.. But yeah, that have been problem, that should I buy another cooler, if there already comes one with the package..

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

I am going to buy gtx 1060 ti probably.. But yeah, that have been problem, that should I buy another cooler, if there already comes one with the package..

1060 ti is not real. Hope that was a typo, or you mean 1060 6GB.

Yes one comes with the package, but it might not be enough if you or someone you know can overclock the CPU.

[Premoz1]

Okay.. So what is the difference between 1060 3gb and 6gb? does it make it faster

[Fasauceome]

15 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

Okay.. So what is the difference between 1060 3gb and 6gb? does it make it faster

It's an interesting branding choice from Nvidia. The 1060 6GB is actually more than just a version of the 1060 3GB that has more memory. The GPU itself has more cuda cores, and therefore higher performance in every way. In fact, 1060 TI would have been a good name for it, and for the first time, there would have been a TI version of every GTX graphics card in a product stack.

So basically yeah, 1060 6GB is way better than 3GB.

[idiocracy]

Does any of the shops on jimms website have a physical store you can go to?

I think the sheer boatload of information here is just confusing him.

 

If there's a physical store. Then go in and tell them you want these things.

AMD R5 1600

2x4gb memory running 3000mhz or higher but can't cost more than 120€ for the kit.

Asrock ab350m pro4

 

That's the base components, then get them to help you sort the rest to stay within the price, they might even give you a slight discount to make it fit with the 1100€.