Balancing over PC components

[Premoz1]

Please tell me best possible nvidia and intel specs for my budget

[LienusLateTips]

14 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

I WANT INTEL CPU AND NVIDIA GPU XDD I dont know shit about ryzen and radeon specs

 

Why though? 

 

Ok. In performance, the R5 1600/2600 is equivalent to i5 8400 or i7 7700, for gaming. The 8700 pulls out ahead over any Ryzen CPU.

 

The Vega 56 = 1070 Ti, RX 580 = GTX 1060 6GB, RX 570 = GTX 1060 3GB, RX 560 1024 = GTX 1050.

 

It's cheaper for better.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Premoz1 said:

Please tell me best possible nvidia and intel specs for my budget

If I told you they performance the same as x Intel or y NVIDIA part, would you decide to save money, potentially in the hundreds of Euros if you bought a monitor with the system?

[Premoz1]

There you say that R5 1600 is cheaper and better than I5 8400 but... i5 8400 is 10 € cheaper than R5 1600 or am I being stupid here?

[Streetguru]

22 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

Please tell me best possible nvidia and intel specs for my budget

Getting an nvidia GPU(A GTX 1060 6GB) means you lose adaptive sync, an RX 580 8GB has a bit more VRAM and back and forth performance with a 1060, but mostly gives you free-sync which may be useful.

Getting an intel CPU at the price of the R3 2200G means you're stuck on an B360 intel motherboard which doesn't give you too much of an upgrade path, and doesn't give you overclocking on the cheaper boards.

The AM4 board is supposed to be supported until 2020. whatever that means.

Prices are different all over the place, in the US the 1600 is $20 less than the 8400
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mV98TW/amd-ryzen-5-1600-32ghz-6-core-processor-yd1600bbaebox

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LHYWGX/intel-core-i5-8400-28ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i58400

I posted an i7 8700 build earlier, just need to swap the CPU with an i3 8100 to include a monitor, but I'd highly suggest sticking to ryzen for the reasons above
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gxQRFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gxQRFt/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€104.88 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€91.55 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€38.18 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB AORUS 8G Video Card  (€294.61 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€35.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€64.10 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (€219.18 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €1001.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-05 01:27 CEST+0200
 

 

[LienusLateTips]

11 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

T i5 8400 is 10 € cheaper than R5 1600 or am I being stupid here?

Depends on the country. MSRP is cheaper.

[Premoz1]

Streetguru, okay, I change to ryzen. But what does adaptive sync do? And what is "VRAM"? And what is "Back and fourth perfomance" Never heard of them. And what does free sync does? And when you said :

 

"Getting an intel CPU at the price of the R3 2200G means you're stuck on an B360 intel motherboard which doesn't give you too much of an upgrade path, and doesn't give you overclocking on the cheaper boards."

 

You said similar price to r3 2200g which is about 100€, but I am buying a more expensive one. Or is that even worth it with my budget? And tell me more about the how radeon is better than nvidia in my situation. I didnt get it lol. 

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Premoz1 said:

 

Free-sync just makes gameplay smoother, and is nice to have as an option as it doesn't cost any extra unlike G-sync for Nvidia cards

With your budget if you want a better 144hz display(which you should get) there's not really a way to get a better CPU in the system, but on AM4 at least it's easy to upgrade to a better CPU in the future.

Back and forth just means sometimes the RX 580 is faster, and sometimes the GTX 1060 is faster, but they're basically equal for the most part. More VRAM just means the 580 can handle higher rez textures vs the 1060, matters in Rare cases like the Shadow Cache in Resident Evil 7 at launch, it's not a big deal, just an minor bonus of getting the RX 580
https://steamcommunity.com/app/418370/discussions/4/141136086945068716/?ctp=3

With all of that in mind, your priorities should be 144hz display>GPU>CPU

 

So a 144hz free-sync display, with an RX 580, and an R3 2200G is probably your best bet for around 1000 EUR, at least on the German Part picker
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/m6mx9J

[Premoz1]

Ehh.. Idk about the R3 2200G because its just 100€.. Could you tell me a intel processor that is similar to r3 2200g? So I would know how good the R3 2200G is? Tell me a intel processor that is almost same power as r3 2200g.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

Ehh.. Idk about the R3 2200G because its just 100€.. Could you tell me a intel processor that is similar to r3 2200g? So I would know how good the R3 2200G is? Tell me a intel processor that is almost same power as r3 2200g.

The i3 8100, but then the motherboard is a bit questionable on a future upgrade, and you can't overclock on it.  Which is why I'd stick to AM4, the CPUs have close performance anyways, especially with an OC on Ryzen 3, which you can even do with the stock cooler to some degree.

 

28 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gxQRFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gxQRFt/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€104.88 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€91.55 @ Mindfactory)

 

[Premoz1]

Okay, fine, I can make the budget 1100. Give me better processor, and tell me the similar one, intel, just like you did when you said i3-8100. And which one I should get radeon or nvidia? And if radeon, tell me what is the same power and price, by telling geforce on. I gotta go sleep now, clock is 3am in finland gn

[Streetguru]

26 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

Okay, fine, I can make the budget 1100. Give me better processor, and tell me the similar one, intel, just like you did when you said i3-8100. And which one I should get radeon or nvidia? And if radeon, tell me what is the same power and price, by telling geforce on. I gotta go sleep now, clock is 3am in finland gn

Then you should probably just get the R5 1600 instead of the R3 2200G if you had higher budget...

Otherwise i5 8400 I guess.

You want an RX 580 since you're probably getting a 144hz free-sync display
 

 

[Premoz1]

so my processor has nothing to do with the free sync? Its just my gpu and monitor? So it doesnt matter if I take intel or amd at this point?

[Amazonsucks]

11 hours ago, Premoz1 said:

Please tell me best possible nvidia and intel specs for my budget

If you want a balanced system for your budget i would actually go with the i3-8350k.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/134055/bx80684i38350k/intel-coffee-lake-i3-8350k-lga1151-4ghz-8mb-boxed

 

Heres why: 4GHz base clock, so you dont need to overclock although its a k series so you can. Its 4 physical cores, 4 threads, so its basically like an i7-6700k with HT(which is pretty useless) turned off. 

 

The Coffee Lake i3-8350k also has a big 8MB L3 cache so 2MB/core. Ryzen 3 is similar but has lower clocks and can be picky about memory.

 

16GB of DDR4  2667 is plenty for what youll be doing. Going much higher for memory on an Intel platform doesnt give you a huge performance gain but will cost more money. Since its 2x8GB DIMMs you can get another 2x8GB for a total of 32GB down the road if needed.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/135054/bls2c8g4d26bfsbk/crucial-16gb-2-x-8gb-ballistix-sport-lt-gray-ddr4-2666-mhz-cl16-1_20v

 

You dont need a z370 chipset motherboard unless you want to overclock, and 4 cores at 4GHz should play all the games you mentioned just fine. So you can save money there and put it towards other components or get a z370 for upgradeability.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/134010/z370-a-pro/msi-z370-a-pro-atx-emolevy

 

Keep in mind that new GPUs will be announced in September. That being said a 1060 6GB should be able to handle all the games you mentioned just fine on high settings, not low or medium.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/123863/dual-gtx1060-6g/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-dual-naytonohjain-6gb-gddr5

 

Get a nice big SSD like this:

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/137679/ct500mx500ssd1/crucial-500gb-mx500-2_5-ssd-levy-3d-tlc-sata-iii-560-510-mb-s

 

Thats actually a great price for the latest 500GB SSD from Crucial. That way you can have Windows and a bunch of games on a fast SSD instead of a tiny boot drive with your games on spinning rust.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/92826/m12ii-620-evo/seasonic-620w-m12ii-620-evolution-taysmodulaarinen-atx-virtalahde-80-plus-bronze

 

Thats a great price for that PSU.

 

And to protect your investment.

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/110462/pm5t-gr/apc-surgearrest-essential-pm5t-gr-ylijannitesuoja-viidella-pistokkeella-rj-11-suojaus

 

Without GPU

 

Total (VAT 0%): € 582.01

VAT (24%): 139.69 €

Total: 721,70 €

 

With GPU

 

Total (VAT 0%): 855,40 €

VAT (24%): 205,30 €

Total: € 1,060.70

 

That should be a good start. Youd still need to pick a case you like. Youll have a nice balance of CPU, GPU, RAM and SSD capacity and speed with that setup, upgradeability and overclocking options as well.

 

PS WHY IS VAT 24% in Finland!?!?!?! WTF

 

 

[Premoz1]

I dont know if that works.. Because display is part of the budget. And does r6s run with those specs? With atleast medium settings and 1080p?

 

[Amazonsucks]

Oh fitting a display in there is going to be difficult because of the insane 24% tax ?

 

And yes that should play just about anything on medium to high at 1080p. Maybe not with 8xMSAA but it has 6GB of RAM.

[Premoz1]

Nono.. I didnt talk about tax, I said that is it worth to spent 24% of my budget to cpu, and I already got a answer to that. Could you make me a pc with display? I am pretty bad at it myself

 

[Premoz1]

Okay, so Streetguru recommended me to use amd processor, because I could get free free-sync with display he recommended me. Is free-sync worth to get? And then, I need help to choose cpu (amd ofc) And motherboard. My budget is 1000-1100€ so could you recommend me some good processors for my budget. Thank you.

[jeffmeyer5295]

2 minutes ago, Premoz1 said:

Okay, so Streetguru recommended me to use amd processor, because I could get free free-sync with display he recommended me. Is free-sync worth to get? And then, I need help to choose cpu (amd ofc) And motherboard. My budget is 1000-1100€ so could you recommend me some good processors for my budget. Thank you.

If I'm not mistaken your cpu has nothing to do with g-sync/free sync, but your GPU? NVidia is gsync and AMD cards are free-sync? Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but get what works best for your use. Both side have benefits and falls.

[Premoz1]

Could you tell me about free sync and g sync? I dont know much about them. Please tell me benefits and falls. Thank you for your response tho

[jiyeon]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something but isn't AMD FreeSync for AMD GPUs?

 

I have a FreeSync monitor and an Nvidia GPU, I could've easily gotten an RX 580 or something but just getting AMD + AMD for no screen tear is a little shallow.

 

It's up to you, you can totally get an Nvidia GPU for your FreeSync monitor, screen tearing honestly isn't that bad as long as you're not running 300fps on a 60Hz panel.

[jiyeon]

1 minute ago, Premoz1 said:

Could you tell me about free sync and g sync? I dont know much about them. Please tell me benefits and falls.

AMD FreeSync = AMD GPUs in conjunction with AMD FreeSync means no screen tearing.

Nvidia G-Sync is the same concept.

[Crunchy Dragon]

-Moved to New Builds and Planning-

6 minutes ago, jeffmeyer5295 said:

If I'm not mistaken your cpu has nothing to do with g-sync/free sync, but your GPU? NVidia is gsync and AMD cards are free-sync? Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but get what works best for your use. Both side have benefits and falls.

GPU determines G-Sync/FreeSync.

[jeffmeyer5295]

4 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

-Moved to New Builds and Planning-

GPU determines G-Sync/FreeSync.

That's what I figured I just wasn't completely sure. Thanks!

[Amazonsucks]

6 hours ago, Premoz1 said:

Nono.. I didnt talk about tax, I said that is it worth to spent 24% of my budget to cpu, and I already got a answer to that. Could you make me a pc with display? I am pretty bad at it myself

 

I would go with Ryzen instead. 

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/128274/yd150xbbaebox/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-am4-3_6-ghz-4-core-boxed 139€

 

Or if you need to go cheaper

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/132402/yd130xbbaebox/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-am4-3_4ghz-4-core-boxed 109€

 

Heres the least expensive AM4 motherboard with 4 DIMM slots i could find. 

 

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/127832/a320m-bazooka/msi-a320m-bazooka-matx-emolevy 75€

 

With the Ryzen 5 its 984€ with no monitor. Ryzen 3 is 954€. In either case that doesnt leave a ton of money for a monitor.