Skylake X

[SkylineGTRpro]

Considering an X299 build with the ASUS Rampage Extreme VI

Now the Skylake X processors start at around £300 and go up to £2000

 

I would be thinking to get the i7-7800X and with the possibility of a future upgrade.

Is this a smart way to save money now but keeping the system future proof?

[Biggerboot]

Depends.  I can see the merit of that if the price is comparible to i7 8700k or r7 and you want that option to go 10-core down the road.  But there's no telling for sure what advancements will be made in the future, whether it's CPU gains or board features.  So I tend to lean on the 'build what you need today' mentality just based on experience.

[Jurrunio]

but why? 7800x (aka the slow 6 core) and its higher core count still loses out to the 8700k in most games just because of the lower clock speed.

 

What will you do with this thing?

[Princess Luna]

9 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

Is this a smart way to save money now but keeping the system future proof?

Personally speaking this is a terrible move, the i7 8700K is in many ways a superior CPU to even the i7 7820X that 2 extra cores so the i7 7800X is also pretty behind, at this point even getting a Ryzen makes more sense.

 

Money wise you'd be spending a lot for an inferior CPU with close to none interest in the second market so you can't even resell it as every one else would be after the i9's

 

I am not sure what workloads you have in mind but if you think you could benefit from something like the i9 7900X I'd honestly believe you'd benefit a lot more even if you wait for the upcoming 8 cores coffee lake on the z390 chipset at this end of the year, might save up until then and have the all around best solution.

 

Gotta have in mind the i9's have multi-threading power but from the i9 7900X to the 7980XE there is no improvements single thread wise.

[SkylineGTRpro]

I am no means an expert. My reasoning behind the x299 choice was simply that right now the hardware that is holding me back is my motherboard and I wanted one of the latest.

The i7-8700k is a 1151 socket while the i7-7800 is the newer 2066 socket. Also would like an i9 at a later date.

[GoldenLag]

Unless you are doing specifically AVX workloads it makes more sence to grab an threadripper 1950x build. 

 

TR4 is sticking around for a few gens, so you can grab a new CPU in 2020 for the mobo. New 32 core parts for around 1600$ coming out this autumn for TR4/X399

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

I am no means an expert. My reasoning behind the x299 choice was simply that right now the hardware that is holding me back is my motherboard and I wanted one of the latest.

The i7-8700k is a 1151 socket while the i7-7800 is the newer 2066 socket.

The z370 is a newer chipset though.

The only features the 2066 has that the z370 doesn't (iirc) are quad channel memory and more pcie lanes.  And unless you have very specific workloads for that, it doesn't factor in at all.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

I am no means an expert. My reasoning behind the x299 choice was simply that right now the hardware that is holding me back is my motherboard and I wanted one of the latest.

The i7-8700k is a 1151 socket while the i7-7800 is the newer 2066 socket.

socket age means nothing, only performance and cost matters. It's more beneficial to just get an 8700k and upgrade when need to, because the cost of "future-proofing" can cost more than just replacing everything.

 

It also takes a long time for 8700k to need an upgrade. It can handle a 1080ti SLI setup without problems, so it will stay relevant for at least another 5 years. By that time, X299 (skylake-X platform) support will end anyway

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

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That's not how it works... Motherboards don't matter, CPUs that matter it is where "performance of the generation" is at.

 

the LGA2066 is not even "newer" than the LGA1151v2 for the matter, Intel works this way, it's latest gen most advanced cores always comes on mainstream (which currently is the LGA 1151v2 socket on the z370 chipset) first, and then usually one generation behind we have the so called "high end" platform which is the current LGA2066 on the x299 chipset.

 

The "hidh end" platform however packs the older cores, but a bunch more, the thing is software as is in general still prefers fewer best cores over a hell lot of slower cores, image it an i7 8700K is a ferrari, it only has 6 cores yes it can carry less stuff but it carries stuff fast as hell.

 

the i9 7980XE with its 18 cores is a big truck, it is slow very slow but it can carry a hell lot at the same time... so it depends on the user case and unless you specifically have software that needs the multi-cores types (and I have a feeling you don't) you want the faster less ones.

[SkylineGTRpro]

That is some good info, so you are saying i9 will be coming Z370 ?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

That is some good info, so you are saying i9 will be coming Z370 ?

We dont' know.

 

What are you using this pc for anyways? More than likely your probably mainly gaming and doing normal light desktop tasks where a 8700k will be fsater.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

That is some good info, so you are saying i9 will be coming Z370 ?

The i9 name might come to Z370, but it wont be the i9s you currently see out there.

[SkylineGTRpro]

The thing is I dont need my i7 to be the fastest as it will be upgraded to an i9 at a later date, so both the 7800 and the 8700k would be fine.

Its the motherboard which is the main deal for me.

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

That is some good info, so you are saying i9 will be coming Z370 ?

you should really watch more youtube about how CPU work and what makes a good CPU because it really is not as simplistic as automatically guess i9 > i7 across the board and call it a day.

 

Why do you even need an i9? what do you do with the PC?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

The thing is I dont need my i7 to be the fastest as it will be upgraded to an i9 at a later date, so both the 7800 and the 8700k would be fine.

Its the motherboard which is the main deal for me.

it will be funny (oor embarrassing) to find out an i7 beats your future i9 in things you do. What exactly will you do with it? Or are you just buying things to show off?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

The thing is I dont need my i7 to be the fastest as it will be upgraded to an i9 at a later date, so both the 7800 and the 8700k would be fine.

Its the motherboard which is the main deal for me.

i7 and i9 is all marketing, they don't mean anything speed wise.

 

Your much better off buying what you need now and upgrading to a better platform later on, not a current i9. The current i9's are pretty bad for lingt desktop uses(web browsing, most gaming) for the money.

[SkylineGTRpro]

The intention was to get the latest motherboard for future proofing, so I dont end up in the situation im in now where my motherboard cant handle any more upgrades.

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

The intention was to get the latest motherboard for future proofing, so I dont end up in the situation im in now where my motherboard cant handle any more upgrades.

that is alwys going to happen, amd is normally a bit better at this, but just assume your upgrading your board and cpu with the normal upgrade lifetime(about 5 years)

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

motherboard for future proofing

 There is no future proofing on this xd... you buy what's best today, use it until you feel it no longer satisfied you and then you replace it... really.

[Biggerboot]

Agree with what everyone else is saying. 

 

While the intel X series processors aren't necessarily bad for general desktop applications and games, the mainstream cpu's are better tuned for that.  With the workstation motherboards, you get more cores but at the expense of performance per core.

1 minute ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

The intention was to get the latest motherboard for future proofing, so I dont end up in the situation im in now where my motherboard cant handle any more upgrades.

All motherboards/sockets kinda hit this wall eventually.  Honestly if motherboard lifespan really important you'd probably be better with AMD, or possibly waiting for the next rumored Intel Z390 lineup.

[DildorTheDecent]

7900X is the absolute minimum for X299 imo. 7940X could potentially be a rather nice option if you want more cores.

 

Zero reason to consider anything lower than a 7900X.

 

Should ditch the Extreme for the Apex too.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, SkylineGTRpro said:

The intention was to get the latest motherboard for future proofing, so I dont end up in the situation im in now where my motherboard cant handle any more upgrades.

there is no CPU platform that will last forever. Even AMD's AM3 (which lasted very long for a socket) ended up giving upgrades not worth going for anyway.

 

Trust us, it's normal nowadays for a motherboard swap to happen every 5 years or so. gone are the days when a motherboard is good for a decade (says 2600k owner)

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Trust us, it's normal nowadays for a motherboard swap to happen every 5 years or so. gone are the days when a motherboard is good for a decade (says 2600k owner)

I will go out on a limb and say whether you invest on a i7/i9/Ryzen or whatever, anything you build today is probably going to last a pretty long time. 

 

If they become obsolete it'll likely be due to significant shakeups in the industry, which no CPU today would be safe from.  That only furthers the point that you should look to build the best thing today and not worry about the future as much.

[SkylineGTRpro]

6 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

7900X is the absolute minimum for X299 imo. 7940X could potentially be a rather nice option if you want more cores.

 

Zero reason to consider anything lower than a 7900X.

 

Should ditch the Extreme for the Apex too.

Please go on over to my motherboard post and say your reasons.

[SkylineGTRpro]

So most of what im reading here is that 1151 is more advantageous then 2066