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Upgrading from 60hz TN to 144hz VA

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Hi there

I'm looking at upgrading from my cheap 60hz TN panel to a 144hz VA panel, but would like some feedback.

 

Keep in mind:

  • I've been only been using 60hz panels and believed for a long time that 144hz was a gimmick.
  • I've for the longest time believed that response time was a gimmick
  • My current TN panel is 60hz, 5ms response time (Benq GL2450)
  • Last year I used a 60hz IPS/PLS panel with 4ms GTG (Samsung 27SF350)

The monitor I'm looking at is the MSI MAG24c. Should I be concerned with ghosting, smearing, input lag etc?

Seeing as I've never had 144hz or a 1ms panel, I can't see how it would be any "worse" than the monitor I got today.

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13 minutes ago, a-joh said:

The monitor I'm looking at is the MSI MAG24c. Should I be concerned with ghosting, smearing, input lag etc?

Seeing as I've never had 144hz or a 1ms panel, I can't see how it would be any "worse" than the monitor I got today.

Ghosting and Smearling no, input lag only if you're using Vertical Sync (not adaptive sync)

 

the difference between 4ms and 1ms wont be that noticeable, but the difference between 60hz and 144hz (assuming the games you play are at 144fps) will be noticeable mostly in faster pace games. Things like side scrolling, , turning your camera in an FPS and driving games will be amongst the top scenario's that you'll really notice the difference. 

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Ignore advertised resposne times from the manufacturers. There is no agreed upon standard of testing so each manufacturer will have a different process and measure different shades of color, making the final figure pointles to compare to others.

The only time you should consider using it to compare is if the figure has come from a thrid party source with their own standardised testing methodology.

 

VA's do tend to have issues with ghosting BUT as with all panels, how bad it is varies from panel to panel, you'd have to find a review that tests for blur/ghosting. It is usualy only present in dark images. That said, most LCD TV's are VA, VA today are no where near as bad when it comes to ghosting as they used to be.

 

Input lag, well unless the monitor is designed specificaly for professional design work, its likely to have very much input lag so i wouldnt worry about that. Only worry about input lag when looking at TV's for gaming use.

 

Rtings seems to have a review on the G27c , Input lag (4-10 MS depending if freesync is used or not), Pixel response seems fine with overdrive enabled, (80% to 0% is about 6ms), but backlight bleed is rather bad with their sample, and veiwing angles are poor causing color shift. Factory calibration is also rather poor.

 

You might want to take a look at this one in person to see if your ok with the viewing angles and backlight bleed.

 

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g27c

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144Hz is not a gimmick. Just scrolling quickly in a webpage full of text (like this one) can already show the benefits. With my 60Hz monitor, the text jump up or down while I scoll quickly. With 144Hz, it feels like my eyes generate smooth motion blur for the moving texts.

 

Response time listed by the manufacturer is a gimmick because there is no uniform way of measuring it. Besides, it is not related to input lag. Only measures by reviewers with standardized testing methodologies are something worth paying attention to.

 

The MSI MAG24c is good, if you find the curved monitor acceptable. In games, the curved panel can make controlling the mouse more difficult as the image is slightly distorted from the image of a flat monitor. You can adapt to it, but it takes time and not all wants to adapt to something they choose.

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2 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

the difference between 4ms and 1ms wont be that noticeable, but the difference between 60hz and 144hz (assuming the games you play are at 144fps) will be noticeable mostly in faster pace games. Things like side scrolling, , turning your camera in an FPS and driving games will be amongst the top scenario's that you'll really notice the difference. 

Makes me wonder if it's really worth upgrading to a 144hz monitor. I don't play a whole lot of fast paced games and while I do play FPS I don't play competitively.

With that said: my PC is able to run most games at ultra with 100+ FPS. A faster monitor would certainly benefit from the rest of the hardware.

 

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5 minutes ago, a-joh said:

Makes me wonder if it's really worth upgrading to a 144hz monitor. I don't play a whole lot of fast paced games and while I do play FPS I don't play competitively.

With that said: my PC is able to run most games at ultra with 100+ FPS. A faster monitor would certainly benefit from the rest of the hardware.

 

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Then that choice is up to you whether you think it's worth it. Personally I love my 144hz monitor and I love gaming on it. I dont game competitively, I just like the smoothness

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On 21.5.2018 at 5:51 PM, TVwazhere said:

Then that choice is up to you whether you think it's worth it. Personally I love my 144hz monitor and I love gaming on it. I dont game competitively, I just like the smoothness

I've borrowed a 120hz monitor. The upgrade wasn't very noticable at first.... but when going back to 60hz it became really laggy.

In The Witcher 3, Geralt is smooth on both 60hz and 120hz... but the scenery is really stuttery on 60hz. Unable to notice any screen tearing on 120hz, but it's become more apparent on 60hz....

 

Guess I'm upgrading...

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