Help needed building cheap 10gb network

[arqrenderz]

Hi guys, we need your help building cheap 10gb network, we are using a file server and nodes connected to a 1gb network and we are seeing a big bottleneck with just 2 users on the network.

So we are looking for a cheap 8 port 10gb switch, it can be refubrished, only condition is no fiber, we want to use cat 5e or 6 
We also need cheap 10gb network cards, i know Juraj mentioned some intel ones and the asus cards were a pain to work on

If you can also share with us some tips and tricks on this implementation would be greatly appreciated!!

(our file server is working on a raid 10 with some sppining hdds, some day we will upgrade them to ssd,  im very nervous about sudden failures of those type of discs)

[Streetguru]

16 minutes ago, arqrenderz said:

 

Try the level 1 techs forums maybe.
 

 

 

[HeroXLazer]

What is your budget for the switch?

[leadeater]

9 hours ago, arqrenderz said:

So we are looking for a cheap 8 port 10gb switch, it can be refubrished, only condition is no fiber, we want to use cat 5e or 6 

10GBase-T is very rare so cheap options probably won't be found easily. There are switches with what you want but since not many want them you'll have to buy it new or keep an eye on ebay for many months.

 

Do you need any advanced features or just 8 10Gb ports? This is the cheapest new switch that you'll probably find.

https://www.asus.com/Networking/XG-U2008/

https://www.amazon.com/XG-U2008-Unmanaged-2-Port-8-Port-Gigabit/dp/B01LZMM7ZO

 

9 hours ago, arqrenderz said:

(our file server is working on a raid 10 with some sppining hdds, some day we will upgrade them to ssd,  im very nervous about sudden failures of those type of discs)

If they are NAS disks like WD Reds or Seagate Iron Wolf/Constellation they can last well over 5 years of continuous use. I would upgrade to SSDs more so you can properly utilize the 10Gb networking as your HDDs aren't actually going to push that far above 1Gb.

[Lurick]

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

If they are NAS disks like WD Reds or Seagate Iron Wolf/Constellation they can last well over 5 years of continuous use. I would upgrade to SSDs more so you can properly utilize the 10Gb networking as your HDDs aren't actually going to push that far above 1Gb.

Nonsense, it only takes between 12 to 20+ HDDs in RAID 10 to hit 10Gbit consistently

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, Lurick said:

Nonsense, it only takes between 12 to 20+ HDDs in RAID 10 to hit 10Gbit consistently

but a single HDD and max a 1Gb line easily. my 1 8TB drive can do 200+ MB/s reads

 

I would go with a SFP+ setup.

[Lurick]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

but a single HDD and max a 1Gb line easily. my 1 8TB drive can do 200+ MB/s reads

Nice! Haven't done much with the larger capacity HDDs but glad the speed keeps up with the size

I know the 8 5TB drives I've got do about 150MB/s each so I get about 700 to 900 MB/s in RAID 5 depending on the transfer type and size. Even less with small files obviously. Writes are lower at about 400MB/s due to RAID 5

[leadeater]

18 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Nice! Haven't done much with the larger capacity HDDs but glad the speed keeps up with the size

I know the 8 5TB drives I've got do about 150MB/s each so I get about 700 to 900 MB/s in RAID 5 depending on the transfer type and size. Even less with small files obviously. Writes are lower at about 400MB/s due to RAID 5

I went with 6 Samsung Pros tiered with HDDs, faster than the 20Gb link to my workstation . Windows does has a few nice tricks up it's sleeves. 

[ltguy]

It seems like you want to have your cake and eat it to. You can either have somewhat cheap 10gb networking with fiber, or pay an arm and a leg and get 10gb ethernet networking. Cheap 10gb ethernet just isn't really a thing right now. You might be able to find a cheaper 1gb switch with 10gb uplinks... but 8 port 10gb ethernet switch for cheap.... haven't seen one.

[BloodKnight7]

Anyone looking for cheap 10Gb SFP+ or DAC cables you could try www.fs.com. I love that site for getting my goodies.

[arqrenderz]

Hi Guys, thx a lot for the feedback, i may have misspelled the cheap thing, i know its expensive, i was looking at this one https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Lifetime-Protection-XS712Tv2/dp/B074V579V3   And for the network cards this ones https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320272&cm_re=ASUS_XG-C100C-_-33-320-272-_-Product  

We are currently at 500mb/s Write and like 400 read, we work rendering archviz cg, so we have very large photoshop, 3dsmax files and a ton of big textures, we are using the 1gb network to the limit so we want to make the change soon without breaking the bank and our worflow for some technical dificulty, We saw that with this switch we can do 10gb on rj45 cooper connections, so no expensive fiber will be deployed.

[Defconed]

12 hours ago, arqrenderz said:

We saw that with this switch we can do 10gb on rj45 cooper connections, so no expensive fiber will be deployed.

Fibers are even cheaper than copper when it comes to slightly longer range
It's the module that's more expensive

[Marshnt]

On 5/12/2018 at 3:30 PM, arqrenderz said:

Hi guys, we need your help building cheap 10gb network, we are using a file server and nodes connected to a 1gb network and we are seeing a big bottleneck with just 2 users on the network.

So we are looking for a cheap 8 port 10gb switch, it can be refubrished, only condition is no fiber, we want to use cat 5e or 6 
We also need cheap 10gb network cards, i know Juraj mentioned some intel ones and the asus cards were a pain to work on

If you can also share with us some tips and tricks on this implementation would be greatly appreciated!!

(our file server is working on a raid 10 with some sppining hdds, some day we will upgrade them to ssd,  im very nervous about sudden failures of those type of discs)

Have looked in to just implementing ether-channel instead of buying bunch of new equipment.

[arqrenderz]

1 hour ago, Marshnt said:

Have looked in to just implementing ether-channel instead of buying bunch of new equipment.

We have just a 8 port 1gb switch, so we are not looking into port agregation.

[Marshnt]

13 minutes ago, arqrenderz said:

We have just a 8 port 1gb switch, so we are not looking into port agregation.

Shot in the dark, but for check cables and bulk wire check out monoprice.com