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So I acquired this old motherboard and I noticed two strange things about it, first it had not display outputs but still had an internal GPU( I also have another one like this). Second, it has an interesting slot I've never seen before, I'll include a picture of it, I thought it might be some sort of very old graphics card slot.

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AGP? accelerated graphics port..

imagine PCIe for GPUs, but older, and brown slot. 

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1996 was the year for AGP. And its not THAT old. Fuck I am a dinosaur 

 

https://www.cnet.com/products/asus-p4s800-motherboard-atx-socket-478-sis648fx-series/specs/

 

http://joule.bu.edu/~hazen/LinuxCluster/e1447_p4s800-mx.pdf

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Interesting, any idea why it has no display outputs? there was nothing in the AGP port when I got it, just some old internal modem in one of the expansion slots.

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Just now, Computernaut said:

Interesting, any idea why it has no display outputs? there was nothing in the AGP port when I got it, just some old internal modem in one of the expansion slots.

iGPU wasn't a thing back then

if you were building your own pc back then, you'd know enough to know you need a good GPU

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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

iGPU wasn't a thing back then

if you were building your own pc back then, you'd know enough to know you need a good GPU

If it has no iGPU then why is there a small heat-sink between AGP and the CPU?

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Just now, Computernaut said:

If it has no iGPU then why is there a small heat-sink between AGP and the CPU?

that's the northbridge and potentially the southbridge

anything that wasn't CPU was crammed into that northbridge and southbridge

AGP -> northbridge -> CPU

RAM -> northbridge -> CPU

audio -> south bridge -> north bridge -> CPU

ethernet -> south bridge -> north bridge -> CPU

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That's an AGP slot for graphics . That heatsink is for the northbridge/memory controller , which is nowadays integrated on the CPU directly

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That looks like a ~2002 era motherboard.

 

Heatsink is for the PCI/AGP/RAM controller (northbridge).

Slot is AGP, cards have not been made for AGP since 2006/2007.

 

3 hours ago, themctipers said:

that's the northbridge and potentially the southbridge

anything that wasn't CPU was crammed into that northbridge and southbridge

AGP -> northbridge -> CPU

RAM -> northbridge -> CPU

audio -> south bridge -> north bridge -> CPU

ethernet -> south bridge -> north bridge -> CPU


Southbridge does not connect to ethernet.  SB does ISA/SMBus/IDE/SATA/AC97 audio

Northbridge does PCI and AGP.  So ethernet connects to the NB.

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So if I wanted to try booting up a computer with that CPU/motherboard, would I need a graphics card that fits into a AGP?

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Yes, you will need a AGP video card.

The alternative will be a PCI.

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Yes, you will need a AGP video card.

The alternative will be a PCI.

I thought PCI was too slow for graphics cards.

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2 minutes ago, Computernaut said:

I thought PCI was too slow for graphics cards.

If you only needed a basic video output a PCI card was enough back then, we're talking about 1 or 2mb analog graphics cards

it wasn't slow for the time tho

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On 1.03.2018 at 3:22 AM, Canada EH said:

1996 was the year for AGP. And its not THAT old. Fuck I am a dinosaur 

 

https://www.cnet.com/products/asus-p4s800-motherboard-atx-socket-478-sis648fx-series/specs/

 

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That pdf is for P4S800-MX which has an iGPU. OP's is a regular P4S800 without an iGPU.

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/sock478/p4s800/e1860_p4s800.pdf

https://www.asus.com/supportonly/P4S800/HelpDesk_CPU/

On 1.03.2018 at 3:31 AM, themctipers said:

iGPU wasn't a thing back then

if you were building your own pc back then, you'd know enough to know you need a good GPU

It was, just not on this specific board version.

 

@Computernaut AGP card would be better than PCI card. I believe a Radeon HD3850 is the best AGP card existing though it's obviously stupidly expensive now and I wouldn't be surprised if the cpu in that thing bottlenecked it. Otherwise I'd guess some some 6000 and 7000 series geforce exist. But that's just theoretically speaking as you won't buy any of those because why the hell would you invest in such PC anyway. It's too old for any modern usage and still too new to be considered retro TBH.

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I had an EVGA AGP Geforce 6600 back in the day.

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9 hours ago, ProximaOfZeal said:

 

@Computernaut AGP card would be better than PCI card. I believe a Radeon HD3850 is the best AGP card existing though it's obviously stupidly expensive now 

I don't know if there was an AGP version too, but the HD3850 was PCIe. Also, they go practically 0+shipping on eBay :P Just won't help OP, though. AGP are rarer these days, but if he finds one it shouldn't cost much either. Probably shipping is going to be the highest expense.

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12 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I don't know if there was an AGP version too, but the HD3850 was PCIe. Also, they go practically 0+shipping on eBay :P Just won't help OP, though. AGP are rarer these days, but if he finds one it shouldn't cost much either. Probably shipping is going to be the highest expense.

The AGP version of the HD 3850 is pretty expensive. And HD 4650 AGP is pretty good too but that's also expensive.

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I don't really care which one I get, it just has to be enough to run a monitor so I can see what I'm doing. I'm just doing this as an experiment.

What is actually supposed to go here? Some people put their specs, others put random comments or remarks about themselves or others, and there are a few who put cryptic statements.

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Just for a test I tried booting it up without a monitor and among other mishaps the PSU conked out on me.

What is actually supposed to go here? Some people put their specs, others put random comments or remarks about themselves or others, and there are a few who put cryptic statements.

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