Will my processor bottleneck my GPU

[Barend]

Hello, 

 

I've made a custom pc these are the parts:

 

I5 7600k ( not OC) 

1 stick of 8gb ram 2400mhz 

Kfa2 gtx 1080

Asus strictly z270h gaming

Ssd 500 gb

G650m cooler master power supply

Cooler master 5 lite case

 

 

I am getting Fps drops in games like BFT1, Overwater, Paladins, GTA V,  Fortnite. I game ate 1920x1080. It 's weird cause a 1080 should easily run these games at 100+ fps in 1440p. So I was wondering if some part causes a bottleneck (like my cpu).  Also sometimes my 1080 can get to 80°c I don't know if this is bad. What I am asking is if someone knows what causes these 2 problems. 

 

Kind regards, 

Barend

 

 

PS, if any other information is required(like dxdiag) Don)''t hesitate to ask me! 

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Barend said:

BFT1, Overwater, Paladins, GTA V,  Fortnite

 

2 minutes ago, Barend said:

I5 7600k

Well... you've a shitty over-priced poorly performing processor that is sucking at CPU intensive games... no mystery in here you just did not do enough research before buying stuff.

[CheeseburgerChad]

For gaming I don't really see why the 7600K should be bottlenecking, but if you want to check just look at your % utilization of your graphics card and cpu and whichever is at 100% during gaming is the one that's limiting you. An i7 isn't necessarily that much better for gaming since most games only utilize 4 cores effectively anyway. You should also check if you're running out of ram, 8gb could be limiting you as well.

[zberry7]

10 minutes ago, Barend said:

Hello, 

 

I've made a custom pc these are the parts:

 

I5 7600k ( not OC) 

1 stick of 8gb ram 2400mhz 

Kfa2 gtx 1080

Asus strictly z270h gaming

Ssd 500 gb

G650m cooler master power supply

Cooler master 5 lite case

 

 

I am getting Fps drops in games like BFT1, Overwater, Paladins, GTA V,  Fortnite. I game ate 1920x1080. It 's weird cause a 1080 should easily run these games at 100+ fps in 1440p. So I was wondering if some part causes a bottleneck (like my cpu).  Also sometimes my 1080 can get to 80°c I don't know if this is bad. What I am asking is if someone knows what causes these 2 problems. 

 

Kind regards, 

Barend

 

 

PS, if any other information is required(like dxdiag) Don)''t hesitate to ask me! 

I have a 7700k overclocked and a 1080Ti on a custom water loop and I don't always get that much FPS at 1440p when maxed out, its just your graphics settings. If youre going by what a benchmark said, make sure youre settings are matched cause they don't always completely max out settings when doing benchmarks

 

[AlTech]

7 minutes ago, Barend said:

Hello, 

 

I've made a custom pc these are the parts:

 

I5 7600k ( not OC) 

1 stick of 8gb ram 2400mhz 

Kfa2 gtx 1080

Asus strictly z270h gaming

Ssd 500 gb

G650m cooler master power supply

Cooler master 5 lite case

 

 

I am getting Fps drops in games like BFT1, Overwater, Paladins, GTA V,  Fortnite. I game ate 1920x1080. It 's weird cause a 1080 should easily run these games at 100+ fps in 1440p. So I was wondering if some part causes a bottleneck (like my cpu).  Also sometimes my 1080 can get to 80°c I don't know if this is bad. What I am asking is if someone knows what causes these 2 problems. 

 

Kind regards, 

Barend

 

 

PS, if any other information is required(like dxdiag) Don)''t hesitate to ask me! 

The CPU you have is heavily bottlenecking your GPU.

 

Your powersupply doesn't help the matter (it could frankly do with replacing if you have the money).

 

Your lack of RAM also doesn't help especially in GTA V (an upgrade to 16GB is very much in order if you have the money).

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

with an i5 u need to limit fps to reduce cpu load for better performance

 

set fps limit on games like bf1, without fps limit it will neck it to 100%

[LHJKO]

 

1 minute ago, CheeseburgerChad said:

For gaming I don't really see why the 7600K should be bottlenecking, but if you want to check just look at your % utilization of your graphics card and cpu and whichever is at 100% during gaming is the one that's limiting you. An i7 isn't necessarily that much better for gaming since most games only utilize 4 cores effectively anyway.

the i7 is still a 4 core 

[CheeseburgerChad]

Just now, Vernw3 said:

 

the i7 is still a 4 core 

Yeah I know, but people assume sometimes that the 8 threads makes a big difference when for gaming it doesn't really matter that much. Should've said threads instead sorry.

[zberry7]

1 minute ago, Vernw3 said:

 

the i7 is still a 4 core 

Honestly the lack of HT shouldn't too drastically affect performance. The 7600k is still a single threaded beast.

[Barend]

5 minutes ago, CheeseburgerChad said:

For gaming I don't really see why the 7600K should be bottlenecking, but if you want to check just look at your % utilization of your graphics card and cpu and whichever is at 100% during gaming is the one that's limiting you. An i7 isn't necessarily that much better for gaming since most games only utilize 4 cores effectively anyway. You should also check if you're running out of ram, 8gb could be limiting you as well.

I ve tested that with gta V both my CPU and GPU runned at 100%

 

[Barend]

24 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

Well... you've a shitty over-priced poorly performing processor that is sucking at CPU intensive games... no mystery in here you just did not do enough research before buying stuff.

So what do you recommend me to change and with what should I change it?

[Barend]

21 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

The CPU you have is heavily bottlenecking your GPU.

 

Your powersupply doesn't help the matter (it could frankly do with replacing if you have the money).

 

Your lack of RAM also doesn't help especially in GTA V (an upgrade to 16GB is very much in order if you have the money).

So with what should I change these parts? 

[Princess Luna]

45 minutes ago, zberry7 said:

Honestly the lack of HT shouldn't too drastically affect performance. The 7600k is still a single threaded beast.

Only that it does, games can use 4 threads finally... wait a minute if the i5 7600k only has 4 threads where is system and back ground stuff getting their resources from? see the issue? optimizing games to use 4 cores killed 4 cores processors in a way...

 

a GTX 1080 is too much GPU horse power to be paired with a 4c/4t only processor, but OP bought Kaby Lake when Coffee Lake's out already the only upgrade he has is the i7 7700k which will be awful money management now, there is nothing to do but "deal with it" and learn better before pairing nVidia's second highest end GPU in the market with just a 4c/4t processor in late 2017.

 

Wait Ice Lake 10nm processors and start over.

[luigi90210]

11 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Only that it does, games can use 4 threads finally... wait a minute if the i5 7600k only has 4 threads where is system and back ground stuff getting their resources from? see the issue? optimizing games to use 4 cores killed 4 cores processors in a way...

 

a GTX 1080 is too much GPU horse power to be paired with a 4c/4t only processor, but OP bought Kaby Lake when Coffee Lake's out already the only upgrade he has is the i7 7700k which will be awful money management now, there is nothing to do but "deal with it" and learn better before pairing nVidia's second highest end GPU in the market with just a 4c/4t processor in late 2017.

 

Wait Ice Lake 10nm processors and start over.

First off how do you know when OP bought his components? Secondly have you seen the prices on available coffee lake CPUs? 

 

Either way OP you need to check your GPU and CPU usage. I'm having similar issues with my ryzen system on overwatch(low CPU and GPU usage but that's mostly because overwatch isn't optimized for ryzen yet) you might be CPU bottlenecked but I doubt it as the i5 7600k is fine for gaming still. 

Edited October 23, 2017 by luigi90210

[Barend]

3 minutes ago, luigi90210 said:

First off how do you know when OP bought his components? Secondly have you seen the prices on available coffee lake CPUs? 

 

Either way OP you need to check your GPU and CPU usage. I'm having similar issues with my ryzen system on overwatch(low CPU and GPU usage but that's mostly because overwatch isn't optimized for ryzen yet) you might be CPU bottlenecked but I doubt it as the i5 7600k is fine for gaming still. 

In GTA V they both are at 100% for some reason

 

[Barend]

18 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Only that it does, games can use 4 threads finally... wait a minute if the i5 7600k only has 4 threads where is system and back ground stuff getting their resources from? see the issue? optimizing games to use 4 cores killed 4 cores processors in a way...

 

a GTX 1080 is too much GPU horse power to be paired with a 4c/4t only processor, but OP bought Kaby Lake when Coffee Lake's out already the only upgrade he has is the i7 7700k which will be awful money management now, there is nothing to do but "deal with it" and learn better before pairing nVidia's second highest end GPU in the market with just a 4c/4t processor in late 2017.

 

Wait Ice Lake 10nm processors and start over.

Money isn't really a problem. The problem for me is that I don't know as much about components as you guys do. So you recommend me to change the i5 7600k with a i7 7700k? And to add a additional 8gb ram stick...? 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Barend said:

So you recommend me to change the i5 7600k with a i7 7700k? And to address a additional 8gb ram stick...? 

I'd DDU in safe mode and reinstall the GPU drivers fresh new first, made sure my system is malware free and that nothing else is eating resources while playing the game, I would also overclock the i5 7600k as far as it holds up, getting extra 8gb of ram is very valid as it will help and can be re-used later when Ice Lake 10nm processors release next year which you should consider upgrading to.

 

You should have started with the i7 7700k especially money not being an issue, now upgrading to it would be throwing money at the fire, better live with it until a great new deal on the market which Ice Lake should be comes.

 

Edit: Overclock RAM as well.

[Barend]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I'd DDU in safe mode and reinstall the GPU drivers fresh new first, made sure my system is malware free and that nothing else is eating resources while playing the game, I would also overclock the i5 7600k as far as it holds up, getting extra 8gb of ram is very valid as it will help and can be re-used later when Ice Lake 10nm processors release next year which you should consider upgrading to.

 

You should have started with the i7 7700k especially money not being an issue, now upgrading to it would be throwing money at the fire, better live with it until a great new deal on the market which Ice Lake should be comes.

Okay thanks for helping me with this issue. I have another question: is it normal for a 1080 to run at 75 to 80°c in game? 

 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Barend said:

? 

Not on ideal situations

[Barend]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Not on ideal situations

I ve got 3 fans in front, 1 in the back and 2 on the 1080. So I thought it was weird to run that hot for it 

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, Barend said:

So with what should I change these parts? 

the 7600K could be changed for a 7700K.

 

For RAM, you could add another 8GB Stick.

 

For PSU, @STRMfrmXMN is a legend when it comes to PSUs. Something around 700 watts which is reputable and has 80+ Bronze or better should be fine. But make sure all of the power comes out of a single 12 volt rail.

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

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The PSU seems fine to me, IDK

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

The PSU seems fine to me, IDK

Oh ok my bad.

 

But is 650 watts enough for an OC 7700K (assuming OP OCs the CPU), GTX 1080 etc?

[zberry7]

Honestly, get another stick of RAM. 

Unless you want to, I would stick with the CPU, its really not going to make a big difference, even though others don't seem to agree. If you spend $300+ for a 7700k or $500+ for an 8700k, you will not gain a whole lot of performance in MOST games.

 

I'm sure someone can find benchmarks of games where high thread counts actually help (Watch Dogs 2), but in general, you will not see a significant performance gain in gaming going from a 7600k to a 7700k (<10%). If that price is worth the gain, then go ahead, but don't feel like you HAVE to get rid of your <1year old unlocked i5. 

 

But, my advice is to watch some gaming benchmarks for the CPU, for instance, in the GamersNexus review of the 7600k, in BF1 the 7600k (Stock) was averaging 140.5 FPS, and the 7700k was averaging 141 FPS (this is at the 1080p Ultra)

 

Obviously I cherry picked this benchmark, but I believe you should do some research and watch some CPU reviews before upgrading the CPU. In the mean time, you should at least get 16GB of RAM, and a better PSU if you plan to overclock and want to maintain overall efficiency.

[Zodiark1593]

1 hour ago, zberry7 said:

Honestly the lack of HT shouldn't too drastically affect performance. The 7600k is still a single threaded beast.

With the exception of the most carefully optimized of code, a single thread fully utilizing a core is a rarity. HT alleviates this by scheduling tasks from other threads. Think of it as getting your money's worth out of the silicon.