What will my real world difference be like after these upgrades, if any?

[Smartiess]

Hey guys.. Currently using a I5 4460, gtx 1070 and 8gb of DDR3 ram.. just recently bought the GTX 1070 and noticed some severe bottlenecking in games especially when watching streams at the same time i can drop 40-50 fps easily and add discord ontop of that and i have a whole load of issues like terrible fps and discord being a little messy but that could just be my internet 

 

Anyway today i got tired and took a plunge, i ordered myself a I5 8400, 16gb of DDR4 ram and a brand new Z370 mobo in the hopes i no longer bottleneck my 1070

 

So my issue is this, i've looked up differences and i've seen the performance %'s but i have no clue what it all means.. what i've read is that the 4460 should have no issues with games and tasks like browsing etc but i still notice lag and hiccups through normal tasks like youtube, fullscreening videos and just general slow feelings from my pc now and again

 

is upgrade gonna be a massive difference in everyday tasks or will it all just be issues with the websites themselves and will i mainly see a change in my FPS in games and still have issus with watching streams at the same time?

 

[Connor Price]

You will definitely notice a difference going from the 4460 to the 8400. However, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense buying an 8400 right now due to the lack of cheaper motherboards. It's a locked chip, so a Z370 board isn't really needed. 

[Smartiess]

Just now, Connor Price said:

You will definitely notice a difference going from the 4460 to the 8400. However, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense buying an 8400 right now due to the lack of cheaper motherboards. It's a locked chip, so a Z370 board isn't really needed. 

Oh.. well sadly i already purchased the 8400 and a £130 z370 mobo for it.. i know i should have waited for cheaper boards to release because it cant be overclocked, but the truth is i was ready to buy a i5 7600k for a long time until my friend told me to about coffee lake and once i saw the 8400 i wanted it asap.. its abit of a waste i know but its also a one off  

[ARikozuM]

You should notice a nice improvement to your everyday tasks, but a clean install is going to be the more effective and noticeable difference. I would opt for the 8600K rather than the 8400 or getting faster memory with the 8400. 

[Shiv78]

2 minutes ago, Smartiess said:

Oh.. well sadly i already purchased the 8400 and a £130 z370 mobo for it.. i know i should have waited for cheaper boards to release because it cant be overclocked, but the truth is i was ready to buy a i5 7600k for a long time until my friend told me to about coffee lake and once i saw the 8400 i wanted it asap.. its abit of a waste i know but its also a one off  

You should cancel the 8400 and get an 8600K for SURE. 

[Smartiess]

Just now, Shiv78 said:

You should cancel the 8400 and get an 8600K for SURE. 

Im going to be using an Air 240 with a small Noctua CPU cooler that probably couldnt handle any type of overclocking for the 8600k, not to mention that im bad with computers so OC'ing isnt on my agenda, its also a £100 leap from the 8400 to the 8600k here in the UK at the moment and the 8400 does what i need and more at a very nice price  

[Smartiess]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You should notice a nice improvement to your everyday tasks, but a clean install is going to be the more effective and noticeable difference. I would opt for the 8600K rather than the 8400 or getting faster memory with the 8400. 

i ordered 16gb DDR4 HyperX 2666 RAM.. is that any good?

[adithyay328]

6 minutes ago, Connor Price said:

You will definitely notice a difference going from the 4460 to the 8400. However, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense buying an 8400 right now due to the lack of cheaper motherboards. It's a locked chip, so a Z370 board isn't really needed. 

While I do agree with the advantage of 6 cores at a higher clock speed, your response, to me, seems to imply that switching from a Haswell chip to a Cofee Lake with the same specs will significantly improve the performance; a bit misleading. 

[Smartiess]

Just now, adithyay328 said:

While I do agree with the advantage of 6 cores at a higher clock speed, your response, to me, seems to imply that switching from a Haswell chip to a Cofee Lake with the same specs will significantly improve the performance; a bit misleading. 

Will it not improve the performance significantly?

[adithyay328]

2 minutes ago, Smartiess said:

i ordered 16gb DDR4 HyperX 2666 RAM.. is that any good?

Yeah, a switch from 8 gigs to 16, especially with the newer titles coming out, will assist in game. Personally, though, I would've stayed with the old platform and ONLY upgrade the RAM setup. Those are my 2 cents.

[adithyay328]

1 minute ago, Smartiess said:

Will it not improve the performance significantly?

The extra cores will, definitely. But not just the architecture change. That's what I meant. Sorry if it was confusing.

[Smartiess]

Just now, adithyay328 said:

Yeah, a switch from 8 gigs to 16, especially with the newer titles coming out, will assist in game. Personally, though, I would've stayed with the old platform and ONLY upgrade the RAM setup. Those are my 2 cents.

I should have kept my i5 4460 and just got better ram? that seems odd, my cpu was hitting 100% on all 4 cores while i was playing games and watching streams

[adithyay328]

Just now, Smartiess said:

I should have kept my i5 4460 and just got better ram? that seems odd, my cpu was hitting 100% on all 4 cores while i was playing games and watching streams

Oh, your CPU was maxing? Ok, in that case, the new platform is justified.  Sorry, I didn't know that detail.

[Smartiess]

1 minute ago, adithyay328 said:

The extra cores will, definitely. But not just the architecture change. That's what I meant.

Understood but from benchmarks i've seen the 8400 has much faster single core power than the 4460 even at the same GHZ? or am i missing something 

[Smartiess]

Just now, adithyay328 said:

Oh, your CPU was maxing? Ok, in that case, the new platform is justified.  Sorry, I didn't know that detail.

Yeah, not sure if its old or what not, but i was having issues where itd hit 99% in alot of games and all my cores were very high, to the point i would notice the games i play on my 1070 were 40-50fps lower than benchmarks i had seen

[ARikozuM]

7 minutes ago, Smartiess said:

i ordered 16gb DDR4 HyperX 2666 RAM.. is that any good?

3000MHz RAM isn't much more expensive than 2666MHz. Return the RAM for the faster, if you can. 

[adithyay328]

Just now, Smartiess said:

Understood but from benchmarks i've seen the 8400 has much faster single core power than the 4460 even at the same GHZ? or am i missing something 

Um, those 2 CPUs have different clocks. Can you clarify what you mean by  "same GHZ"?

[Smartiess]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

3000MHz RAM isn't much more expensive than 2666MHz. Return the RAM for the faster, if you can. 

Sadly i got the ram a month or so ahead of time on another pay check so i could split the cost and not have to pay out so much upfront and now i cant send them back

[Not_Sean]

would have saved yourself a whole lot of money going for just a i7-4790 (Non K, as I guess cause of the 4460 you don't have a Z97 Mb) guys here still running them with little to non bottlenecks. Hell My backup rig is a i7-3770 and its still kicking so much ass. 

[Smartiess]

Just now, adithyay328 said:

Um, those 2 CPUs have different clocks. Can you clarify what you mean by  "same GHZ"?

Well the 8400 has 2.8 base and i think it was 3.6-3.8ghz boost? My 4460 seems to run at a consistant 3.2 ghz but all the benchmarks show the 8400 single core performance to be miles ahead, does that mean the 8400 is always boosted and thats why its showing such a big increas over the 4460?

[minervx]

your improvements will make no big difference in everyday tasks but can help gaming and professional apps

[adithyay328]

1 minute ago, Smartiess said:

Yeah, not sure if its old or what not, but i was having issues where itd hit 99% in alot of games and all my cores were very high, to the point i would notice the games i play on my 1070 were 40-50fps lower than benchmarks i had seen

Naw, you're good. But, that's odd, since the older CPU you had, the 4460, has a HIGHER base clock than the new CPU. However, the new CPU has a much higher boost clock. If your games were using all 4 of your cores, I'm not sold on any performance enhancements provided by spreading out your CPU clocks.

[Smartiess]

Just now, Not_Sean said:

would have saved yourself a whole lot of money going for just a i7-4790 (Non K, as I guess cause of the 4460 you don't have a Z97 Mb) guys here still running them with little to non bottlenecks. Hell My backup rig is a i7-3770 and its still kicking so much ass. 

The mobo and 8400 came to around £300 the i7 -4790 is £300 alone?

[adithyay328]

1 minute ago, Smartiess said:

Well the 8400 has 2.8 base and i think it was 3.6-3.8ghz boost? My 4460 seems to run at a consistant 3.2 ghz but all the benchmarks show the 8400 single core performance to be miles ahead, does that mean the 8400 is always boosted and thats why its showing such a big increas over the 4460?

Yes, single core performance will be better with the newer CPU, but if your workload uses a lot of cores, the advantage may not be that great since the extra cores are slower than the older CPU. However, I've never run a WS build myself, so everything I'm saying is in theory. Maybe someone else on this thread who has had a WS build can jump in and help out more than I can.

[adithyay328]

2 minutes ago, Smartiess said:

The mobo and 8400 came to around £300 the i7 -4790 is £300 alone?

LOL. Thanks, Intel, for BS pricing. The pricing above seems about right, the platform switch, as I said earlier, is just fine.