General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Guest]

4 hours ago, the pudding said:

niiiiiice, managed to grab a pair of E5 2687W's for £150 (only about a tenner more than what a pair of 2690s would set me back), pretty chuffed with that 

Became interested in cooling this processor when you mentioned it.

 

Passive cooler. Just put a fan on it, all set. (I know, they cost money..... sorry for that.)

 

https://www.newegg.com/supermicro-snk-p0048ps-heatsink/p/N82E16816101682?item=N82E16816101682&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-server+-+accessories-_-N82E16816101682&gclid=CjwKCAjw_LL2BRAkEiwAv2Y3SZNR2a0-g_fBffrYOQTM-9XWn2SE936R31DP1ucJE5THAmUdvUP6_hoChLgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[the pudding]

27 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Became interested in cooling this processor when you mentioned it.

 

Passive cooler. Just put a fan on it, all set. (I know, they cost money..... sorry for that.)

 

https://www.newegg.com/supermicro-snk-p0048ps-heatsink/p/N82E16816101682?item=N82E16816101682&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-server+-+accessories-_-N82E16816101682&gclid=CjwKCAjw_LL2BRAkEiwAv2Y3SZNR2a0-g_fBffrYOQTM-9XWn2SE936R31DP1ucJE5THAmUdvUP6_hoChLgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Main problem unfortunately is the T7600 board doesn't use proper standard 2011 mounting  all proprietary there the coolers that come with are chunky enough mind you so it may be okay if a little toasty 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

Main problem unfortunately is the T7600 board doesn't use proper standard 2011 mounting  all proprietary there the coolers that come with are chunky enough mind you so it may be okay if a little toasty 

So long as the board itself can feed hungrier CPUs, should be fine. CPUs can run even in the 90s at stock settings for years. I don't trust pushing OCs on those temps, but for stock operation they shouldn't have any issues. 

[the pudding]

39 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

So long as the board itself can feed hungrier CPUs, should be fine. CPUs can run even in the 90s at stock settings for years. I don't trust pushing OCs on those temps, but for stock operation they shouldn't have any issues. 

yeah, i mean, it's on the cpu support list so should be fine either way 

[Guest]

Are the proprietary heat sinks passive? I imagine a fan on em, they'd do pretty well?? (given the circumstances?)

[the pudding]

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Are the proprietary heat sinks passive? I imagine a fan on em, they'd do pretty well?? (given the circumstances?)

Ahh yeah they have a fan in the back so all's good on that front, i'd imagine the thing will just get a bit louder once i plop the 2687W's in

[Guest]

Just now, the pudding said:

Ahh yeah they have a fan in the back so all's good on that front, i'd imagine the thing will just get a bit louder once i plop the 2687W's in

Maybe a little bit lol. 

 

I've always wanted to grab a passive cooler. They seem to be much heavier and larger copper based than most desktop heatsinks. Although my 8700K would be difficult to cool without a fan, I'd fancy to try it XD

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Maybe a little bit lol. 

 

I've always wanted to grab a passive cooler. They seem to be much heavier and larger copper based than most desktop heatsinks. Although my 8700K would be difficult to cool without a fan, I'd fancy to try it XD

well i'm half deaf so im sure that won't be too much of an issue

ahh yeah a chunky passive thing would be nice for some shenanigans

[X-System]

28 minutes ago, the pudding said:

well i'm half deaf so im sure that won't be too much of an issue

I am full deaf and I don't hear the noises from my heatsink fans

 

 

 

[the pudding]

7 minutes ago, X-System said:

I am full deaf and I don't hear the noises from my heatsink fans

 

 

 

first off, P R E T T Y, second off, could you repeat that for me, i didn't catch that the first time  

[X-System]

14 minutes ago, the pudding said:

first off, P R E T T Y, second off, could you repeat that for me, i didn't catch that the first time  

Thanks

 

And I have analogue sound level meter. I measured 30 cm distance of my heatsinks fans. It says 63 dBA

 

And 1 meter distance, it says 56 dBA

 

I use my analogue sound level meter, it's for to set the volume of my big speakers with woofers for my TV. It made the vibrations but I don't want to disturb my neighbors (homes) at night. So I check dBA level when I set the volume

[the pudding]

5 minutes ago, X-System said:

Thanks

 

And I have analogue sound level meter. I measured 30 cm distance of my heatsinks fans. It says 63 dBA

 

And 1 meter distance, it says 56 dBA

 

I use my analogue sound level meter, it's for to set the volume of my big speakers with woofers for my TV. It made the vibrations but I don't want to disturb my neighbors (homes) at night. So I check dBA level when I set the volume

oh whew, yeah that seems pretty loud 

ahh nicely, not a bad plan, very thoughtful and all, im fortunate that im not completely on the deaf so i just have a pair of headphones that i set pretty high up there but a few of my friends that are nigh on completely deaf have run into the problem of accidentally setting things too loud for those around them because they were going off of vibrations 

[the pudding]

feelsgoodman

[the pudding]

these coolers are definitely struggling, with these cpus they get loud and also this isn't very good, i won't have to put up with that for too long though, friend of mine said he'll do me a dual 2011 board along wit ha pair of arctic freezer 33 esports one things for 120 all in so they'll be going into that 

[addext]

Hi,

 

does anyone still bother with overclocking on a dual socket 1366 motherboard?

And I mean 5500 and 5520 chipsets, not the infamous EVGA SR-2.

 

There are some very inexpensive (25€) used dual socket 1366 serverboards out there and I wondered if I could run two X5660s with more than base clock on them....?

 

regards,

addext

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, addext said:

Hi,

 

does anyone still bother with overclocking on a dual socket 1366 motherboard?

And I mean 5500 and 5520 chipsets, not the infamous EVGA SR-2.

 

There are some very inexpensive (25€) used dual socket 1366 serverboards out there and I wondered if I could run two X5660s with more than base clock on these....?

 

regards,

addext

Pretty sure 5520 boards do not support OCing. You can do some trickery on specific workstations with software but I believe those are single CPU rigs running X58 mobos, but without OC options in the BIOS. 

The SR-2 is the only 5520 board I know of where OCing works, and that's because EVGA pulled some funky shit and got it working (it's also why they struggle with some stuff as @bimmerman can attest). 

[addext]

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Pretty sure 5520 boards do not support OCing. You can do some trickery on specific workstations with software but I believe those are single CPU rigs running X58 mobos, but without OC options in the BIOS. 

The SR-2 is the only 5520 board I know of where OCing works, and that's because EVGA pulled some funky shit and got it working (it's also why they struggle with some stuff as @bimmerman can attest). 

oh okay..

I've read a tutorial on how to OC some of these 5520 boards with RW-Everything but the author did mention that it's quite a pain without actual hardware modifications.

 

I'm just so intrigued by those low prices for Xeons...but maybe I should stick with a regular X58 board. 

 

Do you think that 2011 socket is a better/cheaper option for OC? I am not really looking for great performance, all I want is to see where I can get with a custom waterloop.

 

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, addext said:

oh okay..

I've read a tutorial on how to OC some of these 5520 boards with RW-Everything but the author did mention that it's quite a pain without actual hardware modifications.

 

I'm just so intrigued by those low prices for Xeons...but maybe I should stick with a regular X58 board. 

 

Do you think that 2011 socket is a better/cheaper option for OC? I am not really looking for great performance, all I want is to see where I can get with a custom waterloop.

X79 is a more competitive platform now, but motherboards remain expensive. CPUs are slightly more but also much faster so it's not that bad. Given the choice between the two, I'd prefer X79. Unless you're partial to the balancing act that is X58 OCing. 

[bimmerman]

Yea.....X58 is neat but woefully uncompetitive unless you are willing to run it at 12/10 with $$ cooling (cough @Zando Bob found dem waterblocks? cough) .....to be roughly on the level of 4th gen stuff. X58 is for tinkerers now or people who don't care about FPS (arguably, a lot of people are in this camp). X58 is also silly overpriced for its performance, its tunability, and its age, sooooo yea.

 

Dual socket 1st gen stuff I do not think is viable in day-to-day nowadays, unless you are OC-ing the SR2, and even then not really. Dual socket without OC is going to be so painfully slow that I would just avoid it IMO. $600 into a Ryxen 3900x platform will just embarrass a $600 SR2 build. Not that I know from experience or anything.....

 

I still like X58 gear, it's cool shit. Shit, but cool shit.

[the pudding]

On 6/9/2020 at 5:30 PM, Zando Bob said:

X79 is a more competitive platform now, but motherboards remain expensive. CPUs are slightly more but also much faster so it's not that bad. Given the choice between the two, I'd prefer X79. Unless you're partial to the balancing act that is X58 OCing. 

To be fair, it's that balancing act for X58 overclocking that makes it fun for me tbh

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, the pudding said:

To be fair, it's that balancing act for X58 overclocking that makes it fun for me tbh

Yeah, as a main rig it can be ass, but as a weekend tinkering option it's pretty damn nice. OCs like old stuff, but can still run most modern games without too much issue. Not amazing, but the fastest of the chips left that OC that way.

[the pudding]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Yeah, as a main rig it can be ass, but as a weekend tinkering option it's pretty damn nice. OCs like old stuff, but can still run most modern games without too much issue. Not amazing, but the fastest of the chips left that OC that way.

It can be a bit of a pain at times, i find it nice tbh, would still do me fine for what I do tbh, I'd probably go back to a nice X58 xeon honestly but I quite like my 2687W's so far 

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, the pudding said:

It can be a bit of a pain at times, i find it nice tbh, would still do me fine for what I do tbh, I'd probably go back to a nice X58 xeon honestly but I quite like my 2687W's so far 

Yeah if you get it stable and don't move it about (I tend to lose my BIOS settings when I do that) it's solid. Just uhhhhhh power consumption is a yikes. 300W idle for my X58 rig (stock X5675 and two mildly OCed 780 Classifieds) vs 248W under gaming load for my 6950X + 2060 Super.

[the pudding]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Yeah if you get it stable and don't move it about (I tend to lose my BIOS settings when I do that) it's solid. Just uhhhhhh power consumption is a yikes. 300W idle for my X58 rig (stock X5675 and two mildly OCed 780 Classifieds) vs 248W under gaming load for my 6950X + 2060 Super.

Yeah power isn't great with them, power usage isn't so much a problem here mind you since we get dirt cheap electric where I live but for most that's a bit of a turnoff I can imagine, can't say i've had issues with my boards losing settings when moving around though personally, I moved house with my old X58A-OC, X5670 and rx 480 rig and that worked like a charm when I got it to the new place 

[Slayer3032]

46 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah if you get it stable and don't move it about (I tend to lose my BIOS settings when I do that) it's solid. Just uhhhhhh power consumption is a yikes. 300W idle for my X58 rig (stock X5675 and two mildly OCed 780 Classifieds) vs 248W under gaming load for my 6950X + 2060 Super.

Oh come on, 400w in P95 with an idling stock GTX1080 isn't all that bad lmao. With all the "power saving" stuff on mine sits at like 165-170w with 5 fans and 1 nvme with no spinning rust. It only took me two cpus and about 10-12 months to get it 100% dialed 4.5ghz@1.425v....

 

My X5660 home server running at stock settings though, that thing absolutely sips power. Uses like 118w in most situations with 6 3.5" drives, 1 nvme and a GT1030. I don't think it's ever seen 40c under a garbage 212 LED. Whenever I end up tossing a HBA into it, I'll have to see what kind of power it draws without the disks. I'm sure it'll come down some when it eventually gets more 8TB helium shucks too.