Does g-sync is really necessary?

[AverageLeo]

I'm about to buy two 144hz monitors for my new build and I'm limited to 500$ for each monitor after shipping and fees. That's mean I'm limited to 350$ for each monitor and I couldn't find a g-sync monitor in this price.. 

Is it really necessary? 

[m0k]

no

[PlayStation 2]

I wouldn't call it a necessity.

[Zonther]

Look up Fast Sync pretty much the same thing.

[HKZeroFive]

It's not a necessity.

 

It's just a really, really nice thing to have.

[sazrocks]

It is if you cant always run your games at 144hz and you hate tearing, yes. 

Also take a look at these:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

165Hz, g-sync, 1440p. Great monitor, I actually have one of them as my main monitor.

$390, I can't imagine shipping would be over $110 unless you live on the ISS or something.

[Simon771]

necessary? Nope

Just like 144HZ isn't necessary.

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

 

Better question would be if you want it ... I know I do, but I'm not spending so much money on it.

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

 

G-sync is very handy in games where your FPS aren't always at 144, but fall down to 100 or even lower. That's where G-sync is doing "miracles".

[FloRolf]

Um, why exactly do you want 2 of them and why do you pay $150 for shipping and tax? 

[Zonther]

14 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

That's not how V Sync works. It takes your refresh rate of the displays and uses multiples of the Hz range to display the FPS. Like 144 Hz you have 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 18, 24, 36, 48, 72, and 144 FPS that it can be.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Zonther

[Jessop]

11 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

necessary? Nope

Just like 144HZ isn't necessary.

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

 

Better question would be if you want it ... I know I do, but I'm not spending so much money on it.

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

 

G-sync is very handy in games where your FPS aren't always at 144, but fall down to 100 or even lower. That's where G-sync is doing "miracles".

TL;DR: - Human's eye can see up to 1000 FPS and, perhaps, above. - 60Hz monitor will always show 60 FPS, no matter how much FPS your game is able to provide. - High refresh rates are noticeable only in dynamic scenes; in slow or static scenes you rarely will see any difference beyond 30 FPS.

[AverageLeo]

14 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

Um, why exactly do you want 2 of them and why do you pay $150 for shipping and tax? 

 

22 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

It is if you cant always run your games at 144hz and you hate tearing, yes. 

Also take a look at these:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

165Hz, g-sync, 1440p. Great monitor, I actually have one of them as my main monitor.

$390, I can't imagine shipping would be over $110 unless you live on the ISS or something.

I do live in the middle east.

[Zonther]

3 minutes ago, AverageLeo said:

 

I do live in the middle east.

Wondering if Samsung monitors are your best options if you have a Samsung store near you.

[bomberblyat]

42 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

necessary? Nope

Just like 144HZ isn't necessary.

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

 

Better question would be if you want it ... I know I do, but I'm not spending so much money on it.

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

 

G-sync is very handy in games where your FPS aren't always at 144, but fall down to 100 or even lower. That's where G-sync is doing "miracles".

10fps? you le drunk m8

[Mooshi]

Wouldn't say you need, but it might be nice.

[bomberblyat]

3 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

46 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

i feel i have special eyes then, I DONT SEE LAG

[Mooshi]

48 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

[sazrocks]

50 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

necessary? Nope

Just like 144HZ isn't necessary.

Human eye can't see anything more than 10fps anyway.

Please tell me you forgot the /s there.

51 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

That's... not at all how v-sync works.

[Simon771]

59 minutes ago, Zonther said:

That's not how V Sync works. It takes your refresh rate of the displays and uses multiples of the Hz range to display the FPS. Like 144 Hz you have 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 18, 24, 36, 48, 72, and 144 FPS that it can be.

So g-sync won't make your monitor work at 100HZ, if your FPS in game goes to 100fps?

14 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Please tell me you forgot the /s there.

That's... not at all how v-sync works.

How so? When I play overwatch without v-sync on my 75Hz monitor, I get around 100fps. But I see stuttering ... it just doesn't look that good.

But when I enable v-sync, fps won't go above 75. Now 75fps on 75Hz with v-sync on looks amazing to me and I don't see any stuttering etc.

 

And to everyone who's hating me for saying that human eye can only see 10fps ... it was clearly a joke  

Not sure exactly max fps that we can see, but I can certenly see difference 30-60 or 60-75 even.

 

Just to make you all mad, human eye can only see 1fps  

[sazrocks]

Just now, Simon771 said:

How so? When I play overwatch without v-sync on my 75Hz monitor, I get around 100fps. But I see stuttering ... it just doesn't look that good.

But when I enable v-sync, fps won't go above 75. Now 75fps on 75Hz with v-sync on looks amazing to me and I don't see any stuttering etc.

You stated

1 hour ago, Simon771 said:

If you are playing games like Overwatch, 144HZ will be just fine since you can just turn on V-sync and be at 144fps all the time.

 

 

Which implies that enabling v-sync will magically increase your FPS to 144H all the time, even if your GPU can't push that many frames. Rather, the truth is the opposite. Your GPU can't push out 144FPS all the time in Overwatch, so when it drops below that point with v-sync on, the game descends into a laggy mess, as the GPU is waiting for frames to be fully rendered before they are sent to the monitor.

[Simon771]

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

You stated

Which implies that enabling v-sync will magically increase your FPS to 144H all the time, even if your GPU can't push that many frames. Rather, the truth is the opposite. Your GPU can't push out 144FPS all the time in Overwatch, so when it drops below that point with v-sync on, the game descends into a laggy mess, as the GPU is waiting for frames to be fully rendered before they are sent to the monitor.

Guess I wrote that wrong then ... but yeah I assume that he can push 144fps with his PC since he's buying 144HZ monitor. 

There isn't much point in buying 144HZ monitor if your PC can't even deliver those 144fps. Could be just my opinion.

[AverageLeo]

3 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

You stated

Which implies that enabling v-sync will magically increase your FPS to 144H all the time, even if your GPU can't push that many frames. Rather, the truth is the opposite. Your GPU can't push out 144FPS all the time in Overwatch, so when it drops below that point with v-sync on, the game descends into a laggy mess, as the GPU is waiting for frames to be fully rendered before they are sent to the monitor.

So if I don't have g-sync monitor but have more than 144 fps, it won't be a difference? 

[sazrocks]

Just now, AverageLeo said:

So if I don't have g-sync monitor but have more than 144 fps, it won't be a difference? 

If you don't ever drop below 144Hz, no there won't be a difference.

[Zonther]

1 hour ago, Simon771 said:

So g-sync won't make your monitor work at 100HZ, if your FPS in game goes to 100fps?

How so? When I play overwatch without v-sync on my 75Hz monitor, I get around 100fps. But I see stuttering ... it just doesn't look that good.

But when I enable v-sync, fps won't go above 75. Now 75fps on 75Hz with v-sync on looks amazing to me and I don't see any stuttering eetc

With G-Sync, it matches the screen Hz range with the FPS of the content you are watching. When you go over the Hz (or below the Hz range that is not the same multiple ex. 60 Hz scene with 43 FPS causes screen tearing) range of the monitor. Like a 60 Hz monitor and you are getting 75 FPS and get screen tearing, the monitor can't keep up with the images so it is displaying 1.X+ different render images at the same time. Hense Screen tearing.

[Simon771]

12 minutes ago, Zonther said:

With G-Sync, it matches the screen Hz range with the FPS of the content you are watching. When you go over the Hz (or below the Hz range that is not the same multiple ex. 60 Hz scene with 43 FPS causes screen tearing) range of the monitor. Like a 60 Hz monitor and you are getting 75 FPS and get screen tearing, the monitor can't keep up with the images so it is displaying 1.X+ different render images at the same time. Hense Screen tearing.

I get it that screen tearing is present when your fps doesn't match screen refresh rate (Hz).

But shouldn't G-sync fix that?

 

I always thought that G-sync will match screen resolution to your monitor refresh rate. So if you game at 90fps, G-sync will make sure that monitor is working at 90Hz. And the next second you have 110fps, and g-sync will put monitor to 110Hz refresh rate.

There should be limit for it aswell. If I'm informed correctly it can go down to 30Hz and up to 165Hz. But as long as it's in this range, your fps = monitor refresh rate. At least I thought so untill this conversation started and now I'm confused  

[Zonther]

1 hour ago, Simon771 said:

I get it that screen tearing is present when your fps doesn't match screen refresh rate (Hz).

But shouldn't G-sync fix that?

 

I always thought that G-sync will match screen resolution to your monitor refresh rate. So if you game at 90fps, G-sync will make sure that monitor is working at 90Hz. And the next second you have 110fps, and g-sync will put monitor to 110Hz refresh rate.

There should be limit for it aswell. If I'm informed correctly it can go down to 30Hz and up to 165Hz. But as long as it's in this range, your fps = monitor refresh rate. At least I thought so untill this conversation started and now I'm confused  

Like I said "With G-Sync, it matches the screen Hz range with the FPS of the content you are watching." Meaning if the max Hz is 60 Hz it will lock you FPS to maximum of 60 FPS. If it shows past 60 FPS, it will be a waste because the monitor can't keep up. If your FPS is 43 then it will automatically drop the refresh rate to 43 Hz. That's all G-Sync does. The GPU talks to the monitor to tell it what Hz range to display on and the monitor tells the GPU what its limitations it has.