Ryzen 3 or Ryzen 5?

[MyName13]

21 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

the ryzen 5s you plan on getting do not have more cores just hire clock speeds I would get a 1300x and B350 so you can overclock becuase X chips overclock better. 

They do have smt.As far as I know x models overclock as well as non x models.

 

21 minutes ago, dave_k said:

R5 1400 and decent B350 mobo (B350-F Strix)

Lol 

-"decent"

-recommends the most expensive b350 motherboard

 

You don't need expensive motherboards for quad cores, any will work although I'd recommend those with heatsinks (ASRock ab350m is the cheapest one).

[Eduard the weeb]

3 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

They do have smt.As far as I know x models overclock as well as non x models.

 

Lol 

-"decent"

-recommends the most expensive b350 motherboard

 

You don't need expensive motherboards for quad cores, any will work although I'd recommend those with heatsinks (ASRock ab350m is the cheapest one).

May be wrong but on a differnet thread they said something similar.

[MyName13]

12 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

May be wrong but on a differnet thread they said something similar.

What are you talking about?If it's about x models then it is most likely a rumour that just won't stop spreading.Some say that amd's implementation of smt is better than HT and yet smt doesn't help r5 1500/1500x that much, at least in gaming.

[Jon Jon]

3 hours ago, Jadan said:

I'm guessing your currency is USD.

If you're planning on doing video editing, cad and also gaming I seriously recommend the Ryzen 5 1600, with the Ryzen 3 you're workload is going to reduce with the fewer cores and you can easily fit a 1600 with that budget which offers 6c/12t which for the price is a really good deal considering the fact that it will be able to do anything you want it to.

Here's a build I quickly made: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gmRCxY

I would never recommend DDR4 2400 RAM to someone with a Ryzen build.

 

Get a Ryzen specific DDR4 3200 kit, and you will get a noticeable performance difference.

 

This video is a good example, showing a difference of 10-20fps per game.

 

The DDR4 3200 kits are only a little bit more.

 

 

[Hardfishing]

3 hours ago, Jadan said:

I'm guessing your currency is USD.

If you're planning on doing video editing, cad and also gaming I seriously recommend the Ryzen 5 1600, with the Ryzen 3 you're workload is going to reduce with the fewer cores and you can easily fit a 1600 with that budget which offers 6c/12t which for the price is a really good deal considering the fact that it will be able to do anything you want it to.

Here's a build I quickly made: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gmRCxY

Yes on the currency. Ok so i should probably just try to save my money now maybe try to get a job( im still in highschool) then when i get to college build the system to use their. Thanks.

[Eduard the weeb]

4 minutes ago, Hardfishing said:

 im still in highschool

If you do not know most states allow work even towards the beginning of high school Were I live (Georgia) you can get a job at age 14.

[Hardfishing]

25 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

If you do not know most states allow work even towards the beginning of high school Were I live (Georgia) you can get a job at age 14.

I can get a job for farming, or just doing small tasks at grocery stores etc.

[Jadan]

1 hour ago, Hardfishing said:

Yes on the currency. Ok so i should probably just try to save my money now maybe try to get a job( im still in highschool) then when i get to college build the system to use their. Thanks.

Did you not say your budget was 650? That build should fall under your budget.

[Jadan]

1 hour ago, Jon Jon said:

I would never recommend DDR4 2400 RAM to someone with a Ryzen build.

 

Get a Ryzen specific DDR4 3200 kit, and you will get a noticeable performance difference.

 

This video is a good example, showing a difference of 10-20fps per game.

 

The DDR4 3200 kits are only a little bit more.

 

 

I know that Ryzen takes advantage of higher RAM speeds but since 3200mhz RAM is quite expensive here in the UK I imagined it would be like that in the US as well so I opted with 2400mhz. If it is only a little more then yes, I agree with this. I'll edit the build.

[MyName13]

1 hour ago, Jon Jon said:

I would never recommend DDR4 2400 RAM to someone with a Ryzen build.

 

Get a Ryzen specific DDR4 3200 kit, and you will get a noticeable performance difference.

 

This video is a good example, showing a difference of 10-20fps per game.

 

The DDR4 3200 kits are only a little bit more.

 

 

10-20 fps doesn't say much, is it 100-110 or 40-50 fps?if he has 60 Hz monitor then there won't be much difference.

[Jon Jon]

1 hour ago, MyName13 said:

10-20 fps doesn't say much, is it 100-110 or 40-50 fps?if he has 60 Hz monitor then there won't be much difference.

It does because that is a massive difference for just RAM.

Further down the road as everything else ages, that frame difference does enter then 40-50fps or 30-40fps range.

At that stage, you don't want to be looking at having to upgrade already existing RAM or having to stare that in the eye as a bottleneck.

 

People pay a lot more than a $20~ difference for that type of frame rate increase.

[Jon Jon]

2 hours ago, Jadan said:

I know that Ryzen takes advantage of higher RAM speeds but since 3200mhz RAM is quite expensive here in the UK I imagined it would be like that in the US as well so I opted with 2400mhz. If it is only a little more then yes, I agree with this. I'll edit the build.

Check it out!

 

It's really not much. From what I was seeing it's only $20~ or so.

 

The only negative is the RAM actually being able to run at that speed with Ryzen, but I can't see the 8GB kits costing much.

 

I only paid $160~ for my Corsair LPX 16GB (2x8GB) kit that was Ryzen certified.

[MyName13]

5 minutes ago, Jon Jon said:

It does because that is a massive difference for just RAM.

Further down the road as everything else ages, that frame difference does enter then 40-50fps or 30-40fps range.

At that stage, you don't want to be looking at having to upgrade already existing RAM or having to stare that in the eye as a bottleneck.

 

People pay a lot more than a $20~ difference for that type of frame rate increase.

You have to look at the percentage, 10-20 fps difference at 100+ fps won't equal 10-20 fps difference at 30-40 fps.

[Jon Jon]

20 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

You have to look at the percentage, 10-20 fps difference at 100+ fps won't equal 10-20 fps difference at 30-40 fps.

It's not a straight percentage, look at the source.

 

There are other benchmarks out there that show similar.

 

It's dependent on the game and some games clearly take a hit from the slower RAM.

 

If you want to reference the 100+ fps, look at the source where you see some games that drift between 40-50fps, which will be noticeable and only age faster as more demanding titles hit.

 

I'd rather spend the extra $20 to make sure I am maximizing on what the current ZEN architecture has to offer.

 

 

 

[Fred Flintstone]

20 hours ago, ThatTechKid said:

R3 1200 and then wait until Zen 3. They are 10nm chips that will outperform the R3 and you can get a R5 or a R7.

Zen 2 and 3 are 7 nanometer microarchitectures, half Zen.

[LienusLateTips]

4 hours ago, Fred Flintstone said:

Zen 2 + and 3 ++ are 7 nanometer microarchitectures, half Zen.

ftfy

[Guest]

With mining its a given that a 1050Ti is the best GPU for this build. Also since he wants to do video editing and cad a Ryzen 5 1600 would be a massive upgrade from a ryzen 3 and the 1600 will be better for gaming too. 

 

You could build a whole rig for 650$ and have it include a 1050Ti and 1600. 

[Guest]

Also Ryzen 3 should only be for extreme budget builds meant for 100% basic usage or gaming only. Any gaming PC above 700$ a Ryzen 3 doesn't make any sense from a performance per fps ratio. 

[MyName13]

8 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

It's not a straight percentage, look at the source.

 

There are other benchmarks out there that show similar.

 

It's dependent on the game and some games clearly take a hit from the slower RAM.

 

If you want to reference the 100+ fps, look at the source where you see some games that drift between 40-50fps, which will be noticeable and only age faster as more demanding titles hit.

 

I'd rather spend the extra $20 to make sure I am maximizing on what the current ZEN architecture has to offer.

 

 

 

You can't compare additional 10 fps at over 100 fps and at 40 fps, it is straight percentage.All of these in that video have at least 100 fps, there's around 15% difference.

[LienusLateTips]

39 minutes ago, jdwii said:

With mining its a given that a 1050Ti is the best GPU for this build. Also since he wants to do video editing and cad a Ryzen 5 1600 would be a massive upgrade from a ryzen 3 and the 1600 will be better for gaming too. 

 

You could build a whole rig for 650$ and have it include a 1050Ti and 1600. 

1060s are

 

and RX 580s are back.

[Guest]

For real we can actually find them for their retail prices now? 

 

Edit nope but the 1060 is starting to a little as of 1:35am eastern time on the date of 8-30-2017 lol

[LienusLateTips]

7 minutes ago, jdwii said:

For real we can actually find them for their retail prices now? 

 

Edit nope but the 1060 is starting to a little as of 1:35am eastern time on the date of 8-30-2017 lol

like $20 more than before mining

[Jon Jon]

11 hours ago, MyName13 said:

You can't compare additional 10 fps at over 100 fps and at 40 fps, it is straight percentage.All of these in that video have at least 100 fps, there's around 15% difference.

So if you want to just argue straight 15%, that would be a 6 fps difference at 40fps.

 

So, for someone like me, whose freesync monitor range is 40-75hz....that can mean the difference between detectable and undetectable lag.

 

It does matter, but maybe more to me than to you

[MyName13]

7 minutes ago, Jon Jon said:

So if you want to just argue straight 15%, that would be a 6 fps difference at 40fps.

 

So, for someone like me, whose freesync monitor range is 40-75hz....that can mean the difference between detectable and undetectable lag.

 

It does matter, but maybe more to me than to you

So you have ryzen 7, x370 motherboard, 16gb of fast ram, an expensive SSD, PSU and so many HDDs and yet you wouldn't change your GPU by the time it becomes so old that it can't push more than 32 fps?Ok then...

[Jon Jon]

3 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

So you have ryzen 7, x370 motherboard, 16gb of fast ram, an expensive SSD, PSU and so many HDDs and yet you wouldn't change your GPU by the time it becomes so old that it can't push more than 32 fps?Ok then...

Computers aren't strictly designed for gaming you know

 

I am a heavy multitasker (PLEX, video editing, streaming, gaming, etc) which is why I went with an R7.

 

Storage performance is more important for me and what I use my PC for.

 

The faster RAM is incredibly beneficial for these types of tasks. Gaming FPS is only a sweet spot since I like to stay at 75fps as much as possible on my freesync ultra wide at 2560x1080.

 

So, for my use case, I'd rather pony up bigger money for more storage and additional cores than on a graphics card, especially since I don't game at a high resolution.

 

If it were, I wouldn't be running an R7, I would be running an OC'ed 7700K and just threw money at a Vega 64 heavily marked up at my local Micro center.

 

But, I shouldn't have to explain my build and my compute priorities, don't take it so personal