Amd Ryzen

[Maxan98]

Ok im about to go and buy a Amd ryzen 5 but from some people i´ve heard that they break down and overheat easily , but that may just be cause of their bad reputation from a few years ago but pls share your opinion and should i go for an intel or ryzen.

[Zando_]

Ryzen actually runs pretty cool, and the stock cooler will let you get a 3.8GHz OC just fine. They don't break easily, I think that's the rep FX got them. Zen is a completely new architecture, so it's separate from the cheap but massively overheating FX lineup.

[Jadan]

Depends on what you're doing, but Ryzen doesn't 'overheat and break easily' so I don't know where you got that from.

 

Purely gaming- Intel

Overall- Ryzen

 

In my subjective opinion.

[Zando_]

Just now, Jadan said:

Depends on what you're doing, but Ryzen doesn't 'overheat and break easily' so I don't know where you got that from.

 

Purely gaming- Intel

Overall- Ryzen

 

In my subjective opinion.

To add to that;

 

Purely gaming: Intel i7 (I have an i5 and I get stutter and fps drops in EA's Battlefront if there's anything other than discord open in the background, 4 cores just ain't enough these days)

[Guest]

That is in no way true! Buy with confidence. The Ryzen lineup in no way has any reliability ties to any prior AMD offering. Ryzen 5 is generally a better buy than i5 depending on your needs.

[Princess Luna]

If you want Intel you should wait until October for Coffee Lake.

 

Ryzen is fine, the majority of issues with it are rather related to poor motherboards, mainly MSi ones, shop consciously and every thing should work smooth and fine

[minibois]

Long time AMD user, current Ryzen user and I could not be happier. Sure they have had worse hot running releases in the past, but Ryzen (at least my 1700) runs quite cool tbh, with 50 C stress test numbers (on my current cooler, stock was 60C both with 25C ambient).

[Coaxialgamer]

Ryzen doesn't overheat  . I'm getting 45C on an AIO atm ( 3.85ghz ) . On stock cooling , it was running at 50C at 3.5ghz .

Many people ryzen overheated easily , but that's because software reported a +20C offset on the 1700x and 1800x at launch .

 

And they don't "break easily" . People need to stop thinking AMD cuts corners on manufacturing . They can't and it doesn't work that way . 

[TheDooz]

Thats an old school opinion from the FX processors Id say.  I haven't heard of any issues like that with ryzen.  I would have no issue recommending ryzen 5

[Thinkfreely]

2 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

And they don't "break easily" . People need to stop thinking AMD cuts corners on manufacturing

Yeah it's Intel that uses "Glue" to hold the heat sink to the die. RYZEN is actually soldered together.

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Thinkfreely said:

Yeah it's Intel that uses "Glue" to hold the heat sink to the die. RYZEN is actually soldered together.

I wasn't referring to TIM . That doesn't affect lifespan under normal operation .  I meant the actual lithography and packaging process.

[Thinkfreely]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

I meant the actual lithography and packaging process.

Sure, but if you have ever watched the actual process of what goes into the chips, more people would realize how much actual quality control these CPU's are going through, on both AMD and INTEL.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I wasn't referring to TIM . That doesn't affect lifespan under normal operation .  I meant the actual lithography and packaging process.

Yeah. You really just have a CPU or not, right? I don't know of any that just fall apart or break from being crazily made. The dies either work and get sold or don't work and get binned for lower core count CPUs or scrapped.

[Terryv]

I had an FX CPU. It ran hot, but it was never fragile.

[Maxan98]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah. You really just have a CPU or not, right? I don't know of any that just fall apart or break from being crazily made. The dies either work and get sold or don't work and get binned for lower core count CPUs or scrapped.

but do you know something about the lifespan on normal operration or is that just nonsense from old models

[gbergeron]

15 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

To add to that;

 

Purely gaming: Intel i7 (I have an i5 and I get stutter and fps drops in EA's Battlefront if there's anything other than discord open in the background, 4 cores just ain't enough these days)

i7 is 4 cores  8 threads tho !! So you meant 4 threads not enough, and that's true for a few games, like BF1

 

95% of games 4cores/threads should be good enough

[Phate.exe]

4 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

95% of games 4cores/threads should be good enough

If the game is literally the only thing running on your machine, sure.

 

Oh hey, something wants to update in the background?  Enjoy your stutter as the system fights over processing threads.

[Imbellis]

22 minutes ago, Maxan98 said:

Ok im about to go and buy a Amd ryzen 5 but from some people i´ve heard that they break down and overheat easily , but that may just be cause of their bad reputation from a few years ago but pls share your opinion and should i go for an intel or ryzen.

 

CPUs, in general, don't really "break down".

As for the overheating - that isn't a problem with Ryzen as it was with their FX series chips (with their 220 watt CPUs)

I'm cooling a 1600x with a small (ish) form factor cooler and I've had no trouble.

 

As others have been saying, Intel is still a valid choice for gaming, but if you want to do any workstation stuff - Ryzen's multicore is much better.

 

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

i7 is 4 cores  8 threads tho !! So you meant 4 threads not enough, and that's true for a few games, like BF1

 

95% of games 4cores/threads should be good enough

yeah, I did mean threads...   

 

And 4c/4t is fine for games... but if you want to have a music player, discord chat, maybe a browser open in the background, or want to multitask and play games while something is downloading (in my case, UE4), then an i5 just can't cut it. So if you do nothing else but the game and only have one lighter app (like discord) open, you should be good. 

[just_dave]

If you want to go with Ryzen, i suggest you pick your motherboard precisely so you don't end with 2400MHz RAM and melted VRMs.

If you are thinking about R5 1600, the Asus B359-F Strix could be fine with some high speed memory. Check the guide in my signature

[Fardin]

11 minutes ago, Maxan98 said:

but do you know something about the lifespan on normal operration or is that just nonsense from old models

Either baseclock or safe overclocked,a processor will probably work til you have some grandchildren or hand it over to them even lol  they dont usually dies unless do some real crazy shit! 

[Zando_]

9 minutes ago, Maxan98 said:

but do you know something about the lifespan on normal operration or is that just nonsense from old models

No. They're all new, so there's none that have worn out yet, so IDK. I'd say probs at least 5 -10 years, as some positively ancient CPUs are still kicking. 

[gbergeron]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

yeah, I did mean threads...   

 

And 4c/4t is fine for games... but if you want to have a music player, discord chat, maybe a browser open in the background, or want to multitask and play games while something is downloading (in my case, UE4), then an i5 just can't cut it. So if you do nothing else but the game and only have one lighter app (like discord) open, you should be good. 

IDK what you talking about !!!

 

An i5 4 core 4 thread is enough to run chrome discord and other apps while you play your main game. These apps takes like 10% cpu power.... game might use like 50% cpu power..

 

IF you talk about BF1 its different, but for 95% of games, cpu is not used a lot.

 

If you have stutter because you have discord or chrome open with an i5 4 cores and you are playing overwatch, you obviously run low on RAM or something to do with windows being infected etc...

 

There's no way an i5 6600K per exemple can't handle a game + discord and chrome and skype and spotify etc...

 

I enjoyed my i5's for many years before I bought bf1 and had to upgrade to an i7

 

 

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

IDK what you talking about !!!

 

An i5 4 core 4 thread is enough to run chrome discord and other apps while you play your main game. These apps takes like 10% cpu power.... game might use like 50% cpu power..

 

IF you talk about BF1 its different, but for 95% of games, cpu is not used a lot.

 

If you have stutter because you have discord or chrome open with an i5 4 cores and you are playing overwatch, you obviously run low on RAM or something to do with windows being infected etc...

 

There's no way an i5 6600K per exemple can't handle a game + discord and chrome and skype and spotify etc...

 

I enjoyed my i5's for many years before I bought bf1 and had to upgrade to an i7

 

 

I have a lower i5, the i5 2400. Running discord and chrome, or even just a game, it maxes to 100%, I only use about 45% of my 16GB RAM, and my GPU maxes out too (due to the game). I think it's just that it suns out of threads. It's playable with some stuff running in the background, but when I tried to download/install UE4 while playing, it was unplayable. RIP my multitasking dreams. So basically, an i5 is okay, but if you're buying new, go for a Ryzen 5, it's a much better value. 

[just_dave]

6 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

IDK what you talking about !!!

 

An i5 4 core 4 thread is enough to run chrome discord and other apps while you play your main game. These apps takes like 10% cpu power.... game might use like 50% cpu power..

 

IF you talk about BF1 its different, but for 95% of games, cpu is not used a lot.

 

If you have stutter because you have discord or chrome open with an i5 4 cores and you are playing overwatch, you obviously run low on RAM or something to do with windows being infected etc...

 

There's no way an i5 6600K per exemple can't handle a game + discord and chrome and skype and spotify etc...

 

I enjoyed my i5's for many years before I bought bf1 and had to upgrade to an i7

 

 

Orly? In all Ryzen 5 1600 vs i5 7600K benchmarks i see the i5 is at 99% use and R5 at 30-50%