My idea of new RIG/workstation

[Badcat]

Hi guys,

 

I'm planning to renew my current setup and I was thinking about this config:

 

Case:   Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX (already have it)

CPU:   AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X (to be bought)

CPU Cooler:   NZXT Kraken X62 (already have it)

Motherboard:   MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon (to be bought)

RAM:   G.Skill TridentZ RGB F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR (to be bought)

GPU (SLI):   2 x MSI Geforce GTX1080 Gaming X 8G (already have one, other to be bought)

PSU:   Corsair AX860i (already have it)

SSD:   Samsung NVMe 960 Pro 512gb (to be bought)

Monitor:   Acer Predator X35 OR Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ (to be bought)

 

I'd like to build a system that will last for some years, easily upgradable.

What do you think? Suggestions?

[dogetorhue]

To tell you the truth that power supply might not be enough... What will you be using it for though?

[OsuMasterz]

4 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

To tell you the truth that power supply might not be enough... What will you be using it for though?

Actually, that PSU is going to be enough.

[Badcat]

6 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

To tell you the truth that power supply might not be enough... What will you be using it for though?

 

Mainly gaming and sometimes some video and photo editing.

 

About PSU, according to online configurators, 650W should be enough for this setup.

[Crunchy Dragon]

I've heard Threadripper isn't as good for gaming unless you're doing a lot more than just gaming all at the same time. All the reviews I've seen say it really shines at multi-threaded applications more than it does at just gaming.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

To tell you the truth that power supply might not be enough... 

more than enough

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Badcat said:

Hi guys,

 

I'm planning to renew my current setup and I was thinking about this config:

 

Case:   Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX (already have it)

CPU:   AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X (to be bought)

CPU Cooler:   NZXT Kraken X62 (already have it)

Motherboard:   MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon (to be bought)

RAM:   G.Skill TridentZ RGB F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR (to be bought)

GPU (SLI):   2 x MSI Geforce GTX1080 Gaming X 8G (already have one, other to be bought)

PSU:   Corsair AX860i (already have it)

SSD:   Samsung NVMe 960 Pro 512gb (to be bought)

Monitor:   Acer Predator X35 OR Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ (to be bought)

 

I'd like to build a system that will last for some years, easily upgradable.

What do you think? Suggestions?

What's the purpose?

[NTDaws]

7 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

To tell you the truth that power supply might not be enough... What will you be using it for though?

so 860 watts is not a lot of wattage already. lol.

[dogetorhue]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I've heard Threadripper isn't as good for gaming unless you're doing a lot more than just gaming all at the same time. All the reviews I've seen say it really shines at multi-threaded applications more than it does at just gaming.

This is the 8-core threadripper.

[Joughball]

All of this Ryzen 1t performance being crap is being completely thrown out of perspective, a 4GHz cpu with arguably the best IPC on the market is bloody amazing for gaming, provided other parts aren't a bottleneck. It isn't crap just because an Intel CPU can do it a little bit faster.

[Badcat]

This CPU could not be competitive on 1080p gaming, but I plan to buy a 21:9 wide 1440p monitor, so it should not be an issue.

[Badcat]

16 hours ago, deXxterlab97 said:

What's the purpose?

 

As previously said, mainly gaming, then video, photo editing and some office works.

[Sanctorum]

$900 on CPU and Mobo with a $400 32GB kit of RAM is a huge waste of money for "some video and photo editing". Ryzen 7 1700($290) with an SLI capable X370 mobo($135-150) and 16GB Trident Z RGB($150) would be MORE than enough and cost less than half as much. Youd even likely be fine with an R5 1600($200).

 

Also don't waste the money on that 960 PRO. You can get a 1.1TB Crucial MX30P for $10-15 less. The 525GB MX300 is almost half the price of that 512GB 960 PRO, or you could get a 500GB 850 EVO for $100ish less than the 960 PRO. 

 

All of that saves you almost $1000. Sell the 1080 and grab yourself a 1080Ti. Hell, if you can add an extra $100-150 after you sell the 1080 you could even add a 2nd 1080Ti if you wanted.

[Sanctorum]

Oh, and those monitors are probably gonna cost north of $2000. HDR is kind of a gimmick right now. Youd be better off getting a 3440x1440 IPS 100Hz monitor with G-Sync for around $1000.

[Badcat]

I know that with a "normal" Ryzen I can achieve more or less the same performances, but I'd like to build a "future proof" system.

 

1900x will cost about 50 bucks more than 1800x and MSI X399 mobo costs 300$, so it's not a huge investment to get 4channel RAM and lots of PCie lanes.

 

Nowdays these features are not impacting game performances a lot, but in a couple of years most probably yes.

Usually I upgrade my setups every 4-5 years, so I want to get as much boost as I can.

 

Same reason for display. 

[Serpius]

4 hours ago, Badcat said:

I know that with a "normal" Ryzen I can achieve more or less the same performances, but I'd like to build a "future proof" system.

 

1900x will cost about 50 bucks more than 1800x and MSI X399 mobo costs 300$, so it's not a huge investment to get 4channel RAM and lots of PCie lanes.

 

Nowdays these features are not impacting game performances a lot, but in a couple of years most probably yes.

Usually I upgrade my setups every 4-5 years, so I want to get as much boost as I can.

 

Same reason for display. 

Number one reason why people upgrade and/or build new computer systems...

 

Their so called "future-proof" computer had become obsolete.

 

Therefore, there is NO such thing as a "future-proof" computer system.

Once you build that computer, it's already obsolete. That's the way it is.

Nothing anyone can do about it.

 

Get that notion out of your head about building a "future-proof" system because it doesn't exist.

[Serpius]

21 hours ago, OsuMasterz said:

Actually, that PSU is going to be enough.

I see that you like OSU = Ohio State University. That's great, so do I!

[Badcat]

38 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said:

Number one reason why people upgrade and/or build new computer systems...

 

Their so called "future-proof" computer had become obsolete.

 

Therefore, there is NO such thing as a "future-proof" computer system.

Once you build that computer, it's already obsolete. That's the way it is.

Nothing anyone can do about it.

 

Get that notion out of your head about building a "future-proof" system because it doesn't exist.

Yeah everything is cool and fine, but what do you think about the config?

[Serpius]

41 minutes ago, Badcat said:

Yeah everything is cool and fine, but what do you think about the config?

I made a few adjustments to your original computer upgrade build.

 

First, a better SSD MVE device. 

Second, since the 2 monitors that you suggested are not out yet, I picked a slightly smaller one... a 34-inch monitor for almost the same specs that the 37-inch ones have.

 

I had to check the motherboard specs to see how many EPS connectors it needed, it needs 2.

Your current power supply unit has 2 EPS connectors that you will need for the motherboard.

I can confirm that the Corsair AX860i does have 2 EPS connectors, so you lucked out on that PSU having what you need for the motherboard.

 

Since we do NOT know what your budget is and what country you are from, I used the default of USA and used US Dollars.

 

I limited the vendors to Amazon and Newegg for ease of ordering and shipment options.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor  ($799.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X399 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($389.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($132.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - M500 M.2 480GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($604.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3527.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 10:38 EDT-0400

[Badcat]

1 hour ago, Buzzsaw said:

I made a few adjustments to your original computer upgrade build.

 

First, a better SSD MVE device. 

Second, since the 2 monitors that you suggested are not out yet, I picked a slightly smaller one... a 34-inch monitor for almost the same specs that the 37-inch ones have.

 

I had to check the motherboard specs to see how many EPS connectors it needed, it needs 2.

Your current power supply unit has 2 EPS connectors that you will need for the motherboard.

I can confirm that the Corsair AX860i does have 2 EPS connectors, so you lucked out on that PSU having what you need for the motherboard.

 

Since we do NOT know what your budget is and what country you are from, I used the default of USA and used US Dollars.

 

I limited the vendors to Amazon and Newegg for ease of ordering and shipment options.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor  ($799.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X399 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($389.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($132.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - M500 M.2 480GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($604.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3527.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 10:38 EDT-0400

 

Thanks for the tips.

Didn't know about that Crucial M2, is it better than Samsung 960 Pro?

About memory: if i'd go with only 16gb (2x8gb sticks) I loose the quad channel feature right?

For the CPU I prefer to stay with 1900X, cheaper and more "gaming oriented" in my opinion.

 

P.S. I live in Italy and even if budget is not a big issue (I could be flexible if something is worh it) I prefer to stay around 3k€

[Danonano56]

12 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

Oh, and those monitors are probably gonna cost north of $2000. HDR is kind of a gimmick right now. Youd be better off getting a 3440x1440 IPS 100Hz monitor with G-Sync for around $1000.

HDR is awesome once it's setup right. 

[Danonano56]

12 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

$900 on CPU and Mobo with a $400 32GB kit of RAM is a huge waste of money for "some video and photo editing". Ryzen 7 1700($290) with an SLI capable X370 mobo($135-150) and 16GB Trident Z RGB($150) would be MORE than enough and cost less than half as much. Youd even likely be fine with an R5 1600($200).

 

Also don't waste the money on that 960 PRO. You can get a 1.1TB Crucial MX30P for $10-15 less. The 525GB MX300 is almost half the price of that 512GB 960 PRO, or you could get a 500GB 850 EVO for $100ish less than the 960 PRO. 

 

All of that saves you almost $1000. Sell the 1080 and grab yourself a 1080Ti. Hell, if you can add an extra $100-150 after you sell the 1080 you could even add a 2nd 1080Ti if you wanted.

 

IMHO, buying a CPU and GPU that are about of equal value makes sense.

[Sanctorum]

4 minutes ago, Danonano56 said:

HDR is awesome once it's setup right. 

Not yet it's not.

 

3 minutes ago, Danonano56 said:

IMHO, buying a CPU and GPU that are about of equal value makes sense to me.      

What? Are you trying to say the $600 1900x is a logical option over the R7 1700 for half the price that will perform exactly the same for OP? $1000 for 1900x and mobo vs $425 for 1700+mobo. 1900x is a stupid waste of money.

11 hours ago, Badcat said:

I know that with a "normal" Ryzen I can achieve more or less the same performances, but I'd like to build a "future proof" system.

No such thing.

11 hours ago, Badcat said:

1900x will cost about 50 bucks more than 1800x and MSI X399 mobo costs 300$, so it's not a huge investment to get 4channel RAM and lots of PCie lanes.

and the 1800x already isn't worth it over the 1700. R7 1700+mobo $425 vs 1900x+mobo $1000, for the exact same performance. You're absolutely not going to need quad channel memory, it's not even going to be a benefit over dual channel and you definitely don't need 8 DIMM slots. 

 

6 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

I made a few adjustments to your original computer upgrade build.

 

First, a better SSD MVE device. 

Second, since the 2 monitors that you suggested are not out yet, I picked a slightly smaller one... a 34-inch monitor for almost the same specs that the 37-inch ones have.

 

I had to check the motherboard specs to see how many EPS connectors it needed, it needs 2.

Your current power supply unit has 2 EPS connectors that you will need for the motherboard.

I can confirm that the Corsair AX860i does have 2 EPS connectors, so you lucked out on that PSU having what you need for the motherboard.

 

Since we do NOT know what your budget is and what country you are from, I used the default of USA and used US Dollars.

 

I limited the vendors to Amazon and Newegg for ease of ordering and shipment options.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor  ($799.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X399 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($389.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($132.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - M500 M.2 480GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($604.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3527.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 10:38 EDT-0400

If the 1900x is a stupid choice, the 1920x is even more stupid. OP is building a gaming system with "some video and photo editing", 1920x is absolutely unnecessary. There is absolutely zero reason for OP to spend $1000 on CPU+Mobo, never mind $1200. The Crucial M500 is not an "MVE device"(I think you mean NVMe SSD?). It's an old SATA SSD that even the 840 EVO out-performs, so a 960 PRO will shit all over it. The 960 PRO is even cheaper as well, no brainer. However, the 960 PRO is still unnecessary, an 850 EVO would be more than adequate.

4 hours ago, Badcat said:

Didn't know about that Crucial M2, is it better than Samsung 960 Pro?

No.

4 hours ago, Badcat said:

For the CPU I prefer to stay with 1900X, cheaper and more "gaming oriented" in my opinion.

So it's not worth paying more for the better performing 1920x over the 1900x, but it IS worth spending more for the 1900x over the 1700, even though it will perform exactly the same and costs more than twice as much?

[Serpius]

5 hours ago, Badcat said:

 

Thanks for the tips.

Didn't know about that Crucial M2, is it better than Samsung 960 Pro?

About memory: if i'd go with only 16gb (2x8gb sticks) I loose the quad channel feature right?

For the CPU I prefer to stay with 1900X, cheaper and more "gaming oriented" in my opinion.

 

P.S. I live in Italy and even if budget is not a big issue (I could be flexible if something is worh it) I prefer to stay around 3k€

Now that I have more information on where you live and your budget, I have made more adjustments and used Amazon Italia as your vendor.

 

Also, PCPartpicker does have the Italia option now.

 

To answer your question regarding the quad channel feature of RAM modules, as long the modules are installed in pairs, you will retain the quad channel feature.That's why it is optimal to pair your memory modules with the exact same BUS speed to maximize the speed of the modules.

Also, the motherboard has to be able to accept those module BUS speeds, too. (which it does)

This motherboard does have 4 module slots, so, you must match all 4 memory module BUS speeds to get the optimal performance out of those RAM modules...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  (€357.07 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AX370-Gaming K3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€142.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€699.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€166.50 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  (€981.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: LG - 34UC79G-B 34.0" 2560x1080 144Hz Monitor  (€489.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €2838.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 23:23 CEST+0200

[Serpius]

56 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

So it's not worth paying more for the better performing 1920x over the 1900x, but it IS worth spending more for the 1900x over the 1700, even though it will perform exactly the same and costs more than twice as much?

1

Do you have any reliable (not from reddit crap) benchmarks to prove your point?

 

I have a feeling that you're going to have a "pie in your face" happening to you once you see the benchmarks.