1700vs7600k

[Daniel Z.]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

With a $25 cooler I would only expect a 7600k to get to around 4.6 or 4.7 ghz. Plus even when OCed I'd rate the 1700 above a 7600k.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

Yes, a 7600k has higher averages but the 1700 has much better minimums, which are more important imo since it indicates a more smooth and consistent experience.

i agree. Think about it this way, the 7600k could go higher but dips down too much

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

1 minute ago, Daniel Z. said:

the 7700k is 439

Where do you find that number its on sale for 444.99 on Newegg.ca rn but its regular 529.99 i get all my numbers from Newegg.ca so maybe theres a slight difference 

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

Where do you find that number its on sale for 444.99 on Newegg.ca rn but its regular 529.99 i get all my numbers from Newegg.ca so maybe theres a slight difference 

use PCPP

[Max_Settings]

3 minutes ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

The only thing with Ryzen is the problems with 1. Virtualization and 2. If it needs time to mature 

It's had it's time to mature. It's fine now, pretty much all the bugs are gone.

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Daniel Z. said:

use PCPP

Alright I do before I buy anything just havent went through the process ill post my build in here so i can see if anyone has any suggestions.

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

It's had it's time to mature. It's fine now, pretty much all the bugs are gone.

alrighty

[Anjelllo]

17 minutes ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

 

 

 

True not sure how much im going to stream/ render seeing i havent ever done much like that but i thought it would be good it also is going to be good for the future. Vega is not going well correct but if it can offer 1080 performance for less i will most defiantly go with it. The reason I compared the two is price the 7600K in Canada is 379.99 while the R7 1700 is 349.99 when on a 20% off sale which is when i would buy it. The 7700K on the other hand is 529.99 so I thought it would be a better comparison. I do plan to custom water cool but i might just go with a AIO it offers a little worse performance and dosent look as cool but it gets the job done. Ryzen apparently dosent overclock the best 4.0 is normal while you can get the 7600K to around 5.0 while so time and tweaking.

ryzen RGB stock cooler FTW! You don't have to spend incredible amounts of money on water cooling to make your setup look slick.

 

17 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

I don't know why anyone would live in Canada, prices there are insane. $530 for a 7700K?? Those are like $300 here in the states. 

I've seen the 7700k's even as low as 239$

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Anjelllo said:

ryzen RGB stock cooler FTW! You don't have to spend incredible amounts of money on water cooling to make your setup look slick.

 

I've seen the 7700k's even as low as 239$

dang man you guys got good prices

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

33 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

Well, since you're also going to be doing a bunch of streaming and rendering... Ryzen all the way.

 

31 minutes ago, Anjelllo said:

Get the 1700 hands down. Vega doesn't look good at this point tho so just get a 1070

 

30 minutes ago, JDE said:

1700 will blow the 7600K out of the water when streaming and rendering.

 

28 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

 

 

yeah the 1700 destroys the 7600k in multithread. Gaming will be better too bc of mins

 

28 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

1700. But why did you compare the 1700 to the 7600K? the 1700 competes with the 7700K.

 

11 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

With a $25 cooler I would only expect a 7600k to get to around 4.6 or 4.7 ghz. Plus even when OCed I'd rate the 1700 above a 7600k.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

Yes, a 7600k has higher averages but the 1700 has much better minimums, which are more important imo since it indicates a more smooth and consistent experience.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bcWmTH check out this list tell me what you think. Here in Canda the price is actually 1006.93 on Newegg.ca

[Max_Settings]

Just now, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

 

 

 

 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bcWmTH check out this list tell me what you think. Here in Canda the price is actually 1006.93 on Newegg.ca

You will need a GPU because Ryzen has no onboard graphics

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

You will need a GPU because Ryzen has no onboard graphics

Yeah sorry forgot to add my 750ti i own one atm so that will be in the system just didnt want to add to the price

[dizmo]

I'd go with Ryzen, for sure. It's just a lot more powerful, plus AM4 is supposedly going to be used for a few years at least, so you'll have a much broader upgrade path later on.

 

31 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

I don't know why anyone would live in Canada, prices there are insane. $530 for a 7700K?? Those are like $300 here in the states. 

We don't pay astronomical prices for healthcare, have lower crime rates, etc.

29 minutes ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

Haha not my choice I am 13. Anyway we do make more money here minimum wage is a lot higher in Canada and our dollar is very low atm so normally we would be paying maybe 20 dollars more for something where now its way more!

Not always. Seattle has a minimum wage of $15/hr. Factor in the exchange rate and that's a whole hell of a lot more than what Canada offers. I wouldn't hold your breath for a better Canadian dollar. $0.75 to the USD is likely where it'll be for many, many years.

28 minutes ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

True, so should I expect to see a ryzen refresh with better clock speeds in a year making it pretty dumb to buy right now?

If you're going to wait if something better is coming out next year, you'll never buy.

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I'd go with Ryzen, for sure. It's just a lot more powerful, plus AM4 is supposedly going to be used for a few years at least, so you'll have a much broader upgrade path later on.

 

We don't pay astronomical prices for healthcare, have lower crime rates, etc.

Not always. Seattle has a minimum wage of $15/hr. Factor in the exchange rate and that's a whole hell of a lot more than what Canada offers. I wouldn't hold your breath for a better Canadian dollar. $0.75 to the USD is likely where it'll be for many, many years.

If you're going to wait if something better is coming out next year, you'll never buy.

Actually the dollar has been going up recently

 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, dizmo said:

We don't pay astronomical prices for healthcare, have lower crime rates, etc.

Who cares if you don't have to pay for healthcare? Your currency is worth so little that you would be better off in the U.S. paying for healthcare becasue on the same salary you would still probably have more money in the U.S. Also your crime rate is lower becasue you have 10 times less people.

[Max_Settings]

Just now, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

Actually the dollar has been going up recently

 

Yep CAD is at its 14 months high. And it's still terrible

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

Who cares if you don't have to pay for healthcare? Your currency is worth so little that you would be better off in the U.S. paying for healthcare becasue on the same salary you would still probably have more money in the U.S. Also your crime rate is lower becasue you have 10 times less people.

Yes but also mostly nicer people in general 

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

Yep CAD is at its 14 months high. And it's still terrible

its coming around buddy its coming it will be better

 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

Yes but also mostly nicer people in general 

That's a Stereotype 

[MephistophelesThePowerful]

Kinda but Ive been to America generally people are nicer up here but then again theres less people so less jerks

 

[DocSwag]

19 minutes ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

 

 

 

 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bcWmTH check out this list tell me what you think. Here in Canda the price is actually 1006.93 on Newegg.ca

Change the psu, NEX is bad, other than that looks good.

6 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

Who cares if you don't have to pay for healthcare? Your currency is worth so little that you would be better off in the U.S. paying for healthcare becasue on the same salary you would still probably have more money in the U.S. Also your crime rate is lower becasue you have 10 times less people.

Crime rate is crime per capita not overall...

 

Except Canadian salaries probably are the same as US salaries if you compare in number of Canadian dollars to number of US dollars.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Max_Settings said:

Who cares if you don't have to pay for healthcare? Your currency is worth so little that you would be better off in the U.S. paying for healthcare becasue on the same salary you would still probably have more money in the U.S. Also your crime rate is lower becasue you have 10 times less people.

It doesn't really work like that, for both your points.

• In the US you have to pay for healthcare, sometimes many hundreds of dollars a month. It's not like that here. Want to have a baby? I think it's something like $10,000 in the US. Here, it's free. That's just one example. Drug costs are another. There are some nice things about the US, but I still wouldn't trade it for knowing that I can be injured for no fault of my own and not go bankrupt as a result.
• Crime rate is per-capita. If you'd like to break it down to simpler numbers, in 2016 you were 51 times more gun related murders in the US than Canada. That's just firearms. 16 times the number of rapes (per million people). You can only imagine how the other crimes stacked up. Even with 10x fewer people, that number is ridiculous. As a general overall view, you're 2.5x more likely to be involved in a violent crime.

1 hour ago, MephistophelesThePowerful said:

Actually the dollar has been going up recently

It's not something you should really hope for It's good for you the individual, bad for the economy.

4 cents isn't anything to be excited about. Now, if it crests the 90 cent mark, then there might be something tangible to cheer over.

[Max_Settings]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

It doesn't really work like that, for both your points.

• In the US you have to pay for healthcare, sometimes many hundreds of dollars a month. It's not like that here. Want to have a baby? I think it's something like $10,000 in the US. Here, it's free. That's just one example. Drug costs are another. There are some nice things about the US, but I still wouldn't trade it for knowing that I can be injured for no fault of my own and not go bankrupt as a result.
• Crime rate is per-capita. If you'd like to break it down to simpler numbers, in 2016 you were 51 times more gun related murders in the US than Canada. That's just firearms. 16 times the number of rapes (per million people). You can only imagine how the other crimes stacked up. Even with 10x fewer people, that number is ridiculous. As a general overall view, you're 2.5x more likely to be involved in a violent crime.

It's not something you should really hope for It's good for you the individual, bad for the economy.

4 cents isn't anything to be excited about. Now, if it crests the 90 cent mark, then there might be something tangible to cheer over.

No one actually pays that much for hospital bills, that is all covered by insurance. Hopefully healthcare will become even cheaper once Obamacare goes out, because right now it is way too expensive. Obviously there are more gun crimes in the U.S. because we are allowed to have guns. As we have seen time and time again in countries where people are not allowed to have guns their rates of things like stabbings are far higher than the U.S.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

No one actually pays that much for hospital bills, that is all covered by insurance. Hopefully healthcare will become even cheaper once Obamacare goes out, because right now it is way too expensive. 

Don't want this to become a politcal disscusion but,

 

 

 

I think Obamacare going out will be more expensive. Read the bill. Or watch a video about it, like I did.

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

As we have seen time and time again in countries where people are not allowed to have guns their rates of things like stabbings are far higher than the U.S.

wat

[Max_Settings]

Just now, JDE said:

Don't want this to become a politcal disscusion but,

 

 

 

I think Obamacare going out will be more expensive. Read the bill. Or watch a video about it, like I did.

wat

Obamacare is far more expensive than what it was before. I pay thousands more for healthcare a year than I did before. And what do you mean "wat"

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

No one actually pays that much for hospital bills, that is all covered by insurance. Hopefully healthcare will become even cheaper once Obamacare goes out, because right now it is way too expensive. Obviously there are more gun crimes in the U.S. because we are allowed to have guns. As we have seen time and time again in countries where people are not allowed to have guns their rates of things like stabbings are far higher than the U.S.

Not everyone can afford insurance, and some things shouldn't need insurance to be covered. That's the whole point.

You can have guns in Canada too.

2 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

Obamacare is far more expensive than what it was before. I pay thousands more for healthcare a year than I did before. And what do you mean "wat"

And here I am paying next to nothing