PCWorld Vega FE demo.

[cj09beira]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

That's actually better than many 580s! You completely won the silicon lottery!

i will buy a water-cooling loop soon, will try see what it can do in water, as most of the time it seems temps is the main problem

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Wish someone would ask AMD if FE will support SR-IOV or not, I really want to know.

Doesn't Microsoft HyperV have a thing were it can passthough DirectX work load from a VM to a GPU, and is shared based on Vram delegation. I think I saw it as a option in Windows server 2012r2 but I don't have a dGPU in my system to mess with it.

how is this different and have you mess with it?.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Doesn't Microsoft HyperV have a thing were it can passthough DirectX work load from a VM to a GPU, and is shared based on Vram delegation. I think I saw it as a option in Windows server 2012r2 but I don't have a dGPU in my system to mess with it.

how is this different and have you mess with it?.

It does but it's not for gaming and there is a maximum amount of vRAM you can assign to a VM and it's rather small, like 1GB but been a long time since I've looked at it.

 

Basically SR-IOV is the difference between hardware virtualization and software, one is fundamentally better than the other but harder to pull off. SR-IOV is part of the PCIe spec and commonly used on network cards and is currently on AMD server GPUs but the actual usage of it is only supported by VMware ESXi.

 

Edit:

Think 2 games 1 CPU but now 2 gamers 1 CPU/GPU.

[The Benjamins]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

It does but it's not for gaming and there is a maximum amount of vRAM you can assign to a VM and it's rather small, like 1GB but been a long time since I've looked at it.

 

Basically SR-IOV is the difference between hardware virtualization and software, one is fundamentally better than the other but harder to pull off. SR-IOV is part of the PCIe spec and commonly used on network cards and is currently on AMD server GPUs but the actual usage of it is only supported by VMware ESXi.

Ya I thought I saw a Vram limit, but I wounder how well it would work for a low end game VM server like LOL, Dota, CSGO, ect.

It would be neat to see a "budget" 2-4 gamers 1 CPU setup were you only need 1 high powered GPU.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

I swear I'll lose my shit if the fucking miners end up exhausting the supply of consumer level Vega cards when I get around to finally replacing my dodgy GTX 970.

Might not be a problem, both ethereum and bitcoin and falling like a rock atm and I've gone from earning 11.50/day to 6.40/day (USD), any more and power cost will out pay gross earnings meaning net loss.

[leadeater]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Ya I thought I saw a Vram limit, but I wounder how well it would work for a low end game VM server like LOL, Dota, CSGO, ect.

It would be neat to see a "budget" 2-4 gamers 1 CPU setup were you only need 1 high powered GPU.

Anything that is first/third person based with what I can only term as "relative mouse position" doesn't work. You need to use RemoteFX to connect to the VM which is an extension of RDP and all you end up doing is spinning and looking at the sky or floor, mouse input just doesn't work for those games. RTS games "absolute mouse position" works fine.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, Carclis said:

From the demonstations it sounds very much like the opposite is being said and they're just comparing Vega with optimised drivers to the purely gaming oriented Titan Xp

Purely gaming oriented? So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Purely gaming oriented? So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

Because if you need a card with the power of the Titan but don't need the full compute capacity of the Nvidia architecture or Quadro certified drivers this is the only option they have to offer, if you need anything more than that you have to step up to Quadro which means massively stepping up in price or massively reducing performance.

 

You can see in the video that the Titan is loses tons of performance due to both drivers and lack of certain compute workloads, that is the only way you lose more than 80% of your performance.

[Masada02]

10 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Purely gaming oriented? So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

To be fair, the Xp says "GeForce" on the cooler so it's not like Nvidia's own marketing lines up with what they are actually producing. 

[Carclis]

14 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Purely gaming oriented? So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

What Nvidia says and does are two entirely different things.

[Valentyn]

14 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Purely gaming oriented? So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

 

Yeah NVIDIA need to sort their marketing out for the Titans.

GeForce on the card, using GeForce drivers, and has had it's FP16 performance even cut, never mind FP64.

Although I see where it sits; it's the best NVIDIA card you can get for gaming and workstation use without breaking the bank on a Quadro.

The Frontier sits in the same spot; but it seems AMD are optimizing drivers more for the Pro side, and kept the double rate FP16 performance for AI, and Machine Learning.

So on their side you get Gaming, Pro, and "Tesla" at the same time.

[PCGuy_5960]

18 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

So why does Nvidia say that the Titan series does not belong into GeForce series which basically contradicts your statement?

This is kind of funny, because the Titan Xp has GeForce drivers

[Taf the Ghost]

AMC Gremlin reference, HAHA.  Good on the PCWorld guy.

 

And I like the idea of motherboards on the walls.

[mrchow19910319]

I know this might make me an asshole but I have to do it. 

 

 

 

[Taf the Ghost]

He's got a lazy eye.  Really shouldn't do video.

[The Benjamins]

22 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

He's got a lazy eye.  Really shouldn't do video.

Why?

[RagnarokDel]

6 hours ago, TonyKramer said:

I am incredibly excited for this launch. Specifically the Radeon Frontier Edition. I am, however worried that the Frontier Pro Duo will have the same problems that the launch of the R9-295X2 had. (These being poor support for crossfire gaming, overall driver adoption, what to do about CrossFireX when you had two of them, just a lot of little things that turned out to be a huge problem) 

 

However, I think for workstations, AMD has taken a good step in the right direction, (personally owning two FirePro cards, I may be a little bit biased) but they are still behind Nvidia in terms of capability. Nvidia has two selling points that AMD has no answer for, CUDA and NVLink. Now I know what you may be thinking, AMD has OpenCL, everything is fine. Will, from an adaptability standpoint, CUDA is orders of magnitude easier to work with. I will however, give the benefit to OpenCL because in applications I work with (Caffe-OpenCL, Torch, Theono on Ubuntu), OpenCL is just as fast as CUDA and scales better to 2+ GPUs. 

 

So I really hope this launch goes well for AMD, as I am really looking forward to happily replacing my FirePros if these cards turn out to be any good. 

yeah but in games that have DirectX 12 (or vulkan) multigpus upport the scaling is almost linear.

[ravenshrike]

1 minute ago, RagnarokDel said:

yeah but in games that have DirectX 12 (or vulkan) multigpus upport the scaling is almost linear.

Clearly the reason for the 64 PCI-E lanes was so that gamers could play CPU bound games in 4k.

[Ekst4zy]

5 hours ago, leadeater said:

Might not be a problem, both ethereum and bitcoin and falling like a rock atm and I've gone from earning 11.50/day to 6.40/day (USD), any more and power cost will out pay gross earnings meaning net loss.

What are you running for mining? (just curious, never did it myself) 

[leadeater]

Just now, Ekst4zy said:

What are you running for mining? (just curious, never did it myself) 

2x 290X

[THE_maverick]

8 hours ago, leadeater said:

It's also worth saying that in the professional usages the Vega FE was significantly faster than the Titan Xp, good choice if that is the work loads you do but don't go buying one of these to play games on wait for the gaming cards.

I can do whatever da f' I want!!! Stop tryin' to control us!!! 

[leadeater]

Just now, THE_maverick said:

I can do whatever da f' I want!!! Stop tryin' to control us!!! 

Sure you can, you can also wait a small amount of time more and get a higher performing card for less .

[Valentyn]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Sure you can, you can also wait a small amount of time more and get a higher performing card for less .

 

It won't be that sexy YInMn Blue though!

[2FA]

FFS stop just saying FE everyone, it's confusing as hell since Nvidia has Founders Edition and AMD has Frontier Edition.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

FFS stop just saying FE everyone, it's confusing as hell since Nvidia has Founders Edition and AMD has Frontier Edition.

AMD has rolled out Epyc, X399 and Threadripper recently.  Clearly, "FE" version is intentional to screw up Nvidia's naming stack.

 

Semi-agro marketing is "in" right now.