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Apple External GPU Dev Kit is CHEAP!

They are also releasing a mac pro later this year but if the iMac doesn't throttles too much it could easily be used to game on

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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

They are also releasing a mac pro later this year but if the iMac doesn't throttles too much it could easily be used to game on

Yes! Especially since they'll probs be awesome in bootcamp. Win10 runs like a dream on my old 2012 MacBook Pro (I use win10 to play games, and macOS for work). 

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10 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yes! Especially since they'll probs be awesome in bootcamp. Win10 runs like a dream on my old 2012 MacBook Pro (I use win10 to play games, and macOS for work). 

There are a lot of games now on MacOS. All source games are

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1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

You need to remember that you can only use Mac compatible external GPUs.

So your choices is very limited, and graphics cards for Mac cost more.

I think is going to be less limited than you think, both Nvidia and AMD have drivers out for Mac for almost all of their cards. In the Dev Kit they include a normal RX 580 not a special one.

 

I see where your coming with because back with the old Mac Pro you could swap graphic cards but only some were supported.

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Just now, Miller1218 said:

I think is going to be less limited than you think, both Nvidia and AMD have drivers out for Mac for almost all of their cards. In the Dev Kit they include a normal RX 580 not a special one.

 

I see where your coming with because back with the old Mac Pro you could swap graphic cards but only some were supported. That was then and this is now.

Yup Yup, as others have mentioned after. I was mistaken.

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cool, kinda jelly cause i wished they did this back in 2012 with TB2 which was one of the main reason i bought my MBP back then combined with the announcement of GUS by MSI during the CES of the same year (which got later shut down by intel cause they didn't want people to use TB2 or 1 for eGPU stuff), then came Village Instruments who was going to release a TB based solution but also got cock blocked by intel at every turn ending with basically a eGPU that uses PCMCIA and comes with a Sonnet PCMCIA to TB2 adaptor, performance would still have been better than the 650M in my MacBook but got turned when looking at the price of the Sonnet adaptor.  Oh well, so goes life, built my desktop  last year so i'm out of that market anyway now (also out of the Mac market despite my profound love for MacOS). 

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Man... i wish i can somehow use an external gpu with my late 2013 RMBP. i basically have no real use with these two TB2 port unless I can hook up an external gpu and use it for rendering acceleration. 

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5 hours ago, Miller1218 said:

Yes, but gpu's don't usually use the full throughput of PCIE

Thunderbolt 3 bottlenecks a GTX 1080 and up, in any GPU intensive task. Seeing as Volta will bring a more mid tier GPU packing the same power of the 1080 (if they don't release an x70 that is as powerful as the preceeding x80Ti again), eGPUs won't gain much traction if systems can do better with dGPUs whilst costing less.

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5 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

So like. Does it work on computers with thunderbolt 3 or what

That be the only thing I want to know too.  Would be something to see if its apple that brings price competitiveness to a class of peripherals.  But then again, it is a dev kit(AKA beta testers that might have a clue) and may very well have all sorts of issues in the wild with limited support.

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why is everybody talking about gaming... this is a solution for those who need GPU computing

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1 hour ago, MoonSpot said:

That be the only thing I want to know too.  Would be something to see if its apple that brings price competitiveness to a class of peripherals.  But then again, it is a dev kit(AKA beta testers that might have a clue) and may very well have all sorts of issues in the wild with limited support.

The Sonnet enclosure for their "dev kit" is a retail device that was announced back at CES at the start of this year by Sonnet. It's not apple bringing cheaper peripherals, it's them grabbing a cheaper peripheral to use as an example for devs.

 

Go search Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 500.

 

I don't get what all the celebration is for.

 

Why is support for external GPUs such a revelation? Windows and Linux have supported them for ages. And even on MacOS they already worked as long as you worked around Apple.

 

And on that note what is with the new iMac Pro... like seriously... This is a high end professional product with a Xeon CPU, Workstation GPU, and ECC memory and your infographic for it highlights that "OMG! It has a 1080p FaceTime webcam! No way! And I can VESA mount it? Cool! Oh and a UHS-II SDXC card slot? I never expected that I'd get what equates to a $30 accessory built in for the low price of $5000!"

 

Don't get me wrong, the iMac Pro looks like a positive direction for workstation use, but it seems Apple's gotten their marketing for it a bit confused >.> If the card slot wasn't UHS-II I'd seriously question them. VESA mounts are cool and all but why is that a feature you save for your pro system? And a webcam? Because when I buy a big expensive workstation system the webcam is my top priority.

 

30 bit color? That's useful for workstation. 10Gbit Ethernet? That's useful for workstation. Up to 4 SSDs with raid support? That's useful for workstation. So why are these features hidden in dark grey text in the background.

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The Sonnet and Akitio enclosures look nice. I was expecting a sleek, unibody dildo looking thing.

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1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

The Sonnet enclosure for their "dev kit" is a retail device that was announced back at CES at the start of this year by Sonnet. It's not apple bringing cheaper peripherals, it's them grabbing a cheaper peripheral to use as an example for devs.

 

Go search Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 500.

A little difficult to reply to since ya seem to be unloading a couple different thread topics at once.

Thanks for clarifying on the enclosure; I hadn't realized, nor have I look at external GPUs in earnest since giving up on the idea for myself awhile back.

 

As for the rest of your post, I tend to agree.  But that's best focused on in the other thread.

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In order to buy the enclosure you must be an apple dev which costs 100 dollars a year i believe. You must also own a mac to be a dev. those things aside this is still a cheap box. Yes i understand sonnet makes their own boxes as well. We've seen multiple tests that say the razer core and similar thunderbolt enclosures bottleneck the gpu only by 15%. Yes you can build a PC for cheaper without the bottleneck but with apple giving official support for external graphics other manufacturers will follow in their path. Companies like dell aren't up at night worried about razer, but they certainly care about what apple is doing.  

 

Can we please stop pretending that windows 10 isn't a gross operating system. I use it, its inconsistent and crashes.

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Holy shit, something from Apple that doesn't start at $999.99 and with only the bandwidth of PCIe 2.0 8x! 

And it even is a good deal!

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Dongles are going to be selling well if this becomes a thing!?

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16 hours ago, Spenser1337 said:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cybertronpc-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/5781142.p?skuId=5781142

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC4Z55P9872&cm_re=4K-_-24-025-407-_-Product

 

heres your new pc, it doesn't cost 5 grand and if you want to upgrade the screen you don't need a new computer! Or vice versa

 

macs are expensive, link any mac you want and I will find an equivalent for cheaper. 

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Did you just compare a desktop PC with a laptop. If you did you pretty much lost all your credibility here if you actually think the rest of the market does it differently. 

If you were comparing it with the iMac Pro, you just linked a normal mid tier desktop while iMac Pro has Workstation grade hardware

16 hours ago, Spenser1337 said:

I could probably put this together for around 3500$ all things considered. Would be much cheaper when threadripper comes out because you're locked to intel for ecc ATM. Even in this case, is being an all in one worth a 1500$ price premium? 

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No, you can't. You can't put in the exact same specs and magically make it cost 3500. AMD cannot even be in the equation because they don't support TB3 as of yet which has huge potential in the future

16 hours ago, Spenser1337 said:

It will most definitely be cheaper with amd, and why would I run macOS?

AMD cannot be considered and even hasn't come out yet. You're not the only person in the world. A lot of tasks are much better in macOS while Windows are usually a huge pain in the ass

16 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

Cant compare it to a surface, these two machines have different use cases. Surface is a large touch screen which is a massive cost in itself, and then the pen functionality thats specific to the surface pen. Even then the top end model comes out cheaper than the mac book pro. Even the surface book with the Dgpu in the keyboard is still cheaper, while still having the touch screen and pen functions. Not to mention the dial function as well now. 

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What? A huge touchscreen isn't very costly, to begin with. The top end model of studio does not come cheaper than the macbook, and you also have to consider that you're comparing a desktop with laptop, which isn't really fare in the first place.

Surface Book has a very weak GPU and it has alot of it's own problems (and lack of TB).

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16 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

I dont really understand how you can say its reasonable for what you get. Aluminum case isnt 1800$. That alone makes it unreasonable. 400$ for a 1tb drive is unreasonable. 600$ for ram upgrades is unreasonable. Glued in screen to the case is unreasonable (lol that build quality). Build quality has always been an issue over time, just look up how many issues the unibody has over the course of a few years. 

At every corner you get jipped by apple. 

Build quality is fantastic. Just because you saw 5 reports doesn't automatically mean that the million existing with customers are faulty. MBs have always had one of the best build qualities. Not sure where you get your 1800$ figure

10 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Why is support for external GPUs such a revelation? Windows and Linux have supported them for ages. And even on MacOS they already worked as long as you worked around Apple.

 

Support has been so broken and all TB laptops dont officially support it apart from Razer

10 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

And on that note what is with the new iMac Pro... like seriously... This is a high end professional product with a Xeon CPU, Workstation GPU, and ECC memory and your infographic for it highlights that "OMG! It has a 1080p FaceTime webcam! No way! And I can VESA mount it? Cool! Oh and a UHS-II SDXC card slot? I never expected that I'd get what equates to a $30 accessory built in for the low price of $5000!"

 

Don't get me wrong, the iMac Pro looks like a positive direction for workstation use, but it seems Apple's gotten their marketing for it a bit confused >.> If the card slot wasn't UHS-II I'd seriously question them. VESA mounts are cool and all but why is that a feature you save for your pro system? And a webcam? Because when I buy a big expensive workstation system the webcam is my top priority.

 

30 bit color? That's useful for workstation. 10Gbit Ethernet? That's useful for workstation. Up to 4 SSDs with raid support? That's useful for workstation. So why are these features hidden in dark grey text in the background.

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It's because they already mentioned all the noteworthy stuff and explained each of them for like about 10 minutes. That slide was just to show what else was there without giving it much time at all. Learn to investigate properly before spitting out bullshit

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1 hour ago, RedRound2 said:

Support has been so broken and all TB laptops dont officially support it apart from Razer

You seem to stretch a bunch of things in your argument but I'll touch specifically on this since it was targeted at me.

 

Check your facts. Asus officially supports it, Dell supports it through 3rd party accessories, and even HP is making a dock now. Any thunderbolt 3 device with an up-to-date bios with thunderbolt 3 hot plug support works with the various docks and a lot of major vendors are supporting it at this point.

 

Also thunderbolt 2 docks were borked because thunderbolt 2 didn't ever officially support GPUs not because of lack of support from Vendors.

 

If Apple went out of their way to not allow Thunderbolt 3 graphics it would be a bigger deal then "Oh yeah, this works and we made a nice GUI to handle it for you."

 

As far as the argument about the iMac Pro I'll drop it because as mentioned in the earlier reply to my comment it *is* off topic for this thread.

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1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

You seem to stretch a bunch of things in your argument but I'll touch specifically on this since it was targeted at me.

 

Check your facts. Asus officially supports it, Dell supports it through 3rd party accessories, and even HP is making a dock now. Any thunderbolt 3 device with an up-to-date bios with thunderbolt 3 hot plug support works with the various docks and a lot of major vendors are supporting it at this point.

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All these manufacturers you mentioned above supports their own docks. Dell's Alienware has a proprietary thing going on. For Dell XPS, which I've personally looked into, you have to do some kind of modifications and it's not very stable experience.

It's not plug and play like the Razer blade

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Also thunderbolt 2 docks were borked because thunderbolt 2 didn't ever officially support GPUs not because of lack of support from Vendors.

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Never mentioned anything about TB2. Besides, there would've been throttling due to lack of bandwidth

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If Apple went out of their way to not allow Thunderbolt 3 graphics it would be a bigger deal then "Oh yeah, this works and we made a nice GUI to handle it for you."

 

What are you saying here?

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As far as the argument about the iMac Pro I'll drop it because as mentioned in the earlier reply to my comment it *is* off topic for this thread.

Well it's closely related

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5 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

What? A huge touchscreen isn't very costly, to begin with. The top end model of studio does not come cheaper than the macbook, and you also have to consider that you're comparing a desktop with laptop, which isn't really fare in the first place.

Surface Book has a very weak GPU and it has alot of it's own problems (and lack of TB).

Dial is a joke and no on in the right, mid will ever use it

Build quality is fantastic. Just because you saw 5 reports doesn't automatically mean that the million existing with customers are faulty. MBs have always had one of the best build qualities. Not sure where you get your 1800$ figure

Higher the resolution and higher the touch responsiveness means a more expensive screen. Thats what the surface has. Resolution makes tluch screens exponentially more expensive. 

 

Im also comparing to the macbook, not sure where you got desktop. 

 

Build quality isnt. Im an IT admin now, was a repair tech before, and own a few macbooks myself (second hand).  I know the build quality first hand and the many issues they have over time. 

 

1800$ comes from earlier in the thread where i showed a higher spec'd 15" dell vs the top end macbook. It was 1800$ cheaper. So for the sake of that aregument you were paying 1800$ for a unibody case. 

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Just now, goodtofufriday said:

Higher the resolution and higher the touch responsiveness means a more expensive screen. Thats what the surface has. Resolution makes tluch screens exponentially more expensive. 

Whats the resolution of the surface screen?

The macbook is 2880 by 1800

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1 minute ago, Miller1218 said:

Whats the resolution of the surface screen?

The macbook is 2880 by 1800

2736x1824 at 267 PPI, with the same aspect ratio of 3:2 and 10-point multi-touch. For the pro 4

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Just now, goodtofufriday said:

2736x1824 at 267 PPI, with the same aspect ratio of 3:2 and 10-point multi-touch. 

Ok, the touch screen is cool, but the macbook is no slouch with a 226ppi screen and a 16:10 aspect ration. Not to mention the p3 color gammat and the almost perfect out of the box color accuracy.

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23 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

:x Awesome! So now can people stop complaining about the GPUs in MacBook Pros and iMacs being so weak? 

They're not in. That's the whole point.

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2 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

All these manufacturers you mentioned above supports their own docks.

Yes, which in the case of Asus and HP are thunderbolt 3 docks (Asus also has a proprietary connector for their gaming laptops but supports both), and in terms of Dell's recommended solution for computers other than Alienware are also thunderbolt 3 solutions.

 

2 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

It's not plug and play like the Razer blade

It's not plug and play on the Razer Blade either. You need  up to date TB3 firmware, up to date igpu drivers, and Razer synapse.

 

If have a newer Dell XPS with an up-to-date bios, up to date TB3 firmware, Razer synapse, and the Razer GPU switcher it works exactly the same other than needing to reboot between GPU switches (because Windows 10 Home and Pro do not currently support PCIe hotplugging natively for GPUs).

 

2 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

Never mentioned anything about TB2.

 No you just mentioned Thunderbolt, no version. There were a number of Thunderbolt 2 eGPUs and enclosures for previous generation MacBooks.

 

2 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

What are you saying here?

That from an OS perspective a GPU plugged into a TB3 port is no different from a GPU plugged into any other PCIe lanes if it's initialized before boot. For hotplugging to work your OS would need to support it, but for it to work from a clean boot, as long as you have the proper drivers, firmware, and BIOS it should "Just Work™".

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