i5 4570 vs Ryzen 1700

[DocSwag]

37 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

I really don't no

and I get what your saying because that's what I thought when I had my i7

but it's just unquestionably smoother 

Is it just a few games or all of them?

[jjohnthedon1]

33 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Is it just a few games or all of them?

All of them I was gob smacked becUse I was expecting such a downgrade in gaming 

[DocSwag]

46 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

All of them I was gob smacked becUse I was expecting such a downgrade in gaming 

I'm as confused as you. Especially since benchmarks don't give any indication of it at all.

[jjohnthedon1]

1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

I'm as confused as you. Especially since benchmarks don't give any indication of it at all.

Honestly benchmarks can't be everything

i wish u could play in a ryzen system for your self man 

[DocSwag]

Just now, jjohnthedon1 said:

Honestly benchmarks can't be everything

i wish u could play in a ryzen system for your self man 

still confuses me though since if it's not as smooth it should show up in frame times 

[jjohnthedon1]

Just now, DocSwag said:

still confuses me though since if it's not as smooth it should show up in frame times 

You can have hitches and still good frame times tho 

 

if I set to ultra low In overwatch my gpu clocks bounce but fps and frame times are consistent but what's happening on screen is jerky as hell

[He_162]

7 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Only one game though, there's other's where the CPU does become the bottleneck.

 

Plus, CCX latency isn't the only reason why Ryzen could fall behind. The IPC is Haswell level (no, not Broadwell as evidenced by the 1800x getting the same single thread cinebench score as the 6900k but it's clocked higher, indicating a lower IPC), and clock speeds are lower, resulting in lower single threaded performance which can also limit performance in some titles.

I've shown tests that don't see the 4790k having low minimums.

 

And the thing is, maybe they'll be similar in performance when it comes to a 1070, but OP is probably gonna upgrade to a faster GPU in the future, which will potentially make CPU bottlenecks more apparent.

No, my i5-4590 at 3.7ghz (on all cores, not under the boost) gets lower scores than the R5 1600 in the single thread test at the same speed.

 

157 vs 159.

[He_162]

1 hour ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Honestly benchmarks can't be everything

i wish u could play in a ryzen system for your self man 

I completely agree, I've been trying to explain this the whole time.

[He_162]

4 hours ago, MrJarhead said:

you sure about that, id like to see the proof.

Have you even seen a guy running a 4790k on Arma 3 with no lag? Not a single frame-drop?

It cannot hold a candle to Ryzen's smoothness in arma, again it holds slightly lower maximum frames, but the minimums and the smoothness in which the frames are delivered is much better.

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, He_162 said:

No, my i5-4590 at 3.7ghz (on all cores, not under the boost) gets lower scores than the R5 1600 in the single thread test at the same speed.

 

157 vs 159.

Ryzen is slightly ahead of haswell then, but it's still closer to haswell than broadwell.

1 hour ago, He_162 said:

I completely agree, I've been trying to explain this the whole time.

It still confuses me though, why would it show up as stuttering if the frame time doesn't show anything? I'm just super confused by why this would be the case  

[He_162]

2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen is slightly ahead of haswell then, but it's still closer to haswell than broadwell.

It still confuses me though, why would it show up as stuttering if the frame time doesn't show anything? I'm just super confused by why this would be the case  

More frequent framedrops and wayyyy less smooth is my definition of stuttering.

[DocSwag]

8 hours ago, He_162 said:

More frequent framedrops and wayyyy less smooth is my definition of stuttering.

But it just confuses me why that wouldn't show up on frame time charts  

[JJVGaming]

On 4/23/2017 at 1:49 PM, He_162 said:

Get a Ryzen 1600.

 

I have an i5-4590, and a Ryzen 1600, take this from me.

 

I also have a GTX 1060 (3gb) Zotac.

Here are my thoughts:

The Ryzen processor delivers much better frames than the i5-4590 (better than yours) and it is much much much smoother, not just faster. Everything loads quicker, you can run more programs before running into a CPU bottleneck, and it never stops delivering, and you can put together a Ryzen upgrade with that CPU for under 400$

 

220$ for CPU

80$ for motherboard

60$ for ram

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360$ (USD)

Sorry stealing the thread but...

 

my setup was basically like your old one, i5 4590 and 1060. How much exactly was that jump? Because I'm thinking of possibly upgrading later this year

[Jinxielumin]

9 hours ago, He_162 said:

More frequent framedrops and wayyyy less smooth is my definition of stuttering.

hi, i was thinking of upgrading my 3770k to 1600.

do you think its a worthwhile upgrade?

newer games really seem to stutter alot, its really noticeable even with a 1070, do you think 1600 will helps to smooth things out?

 

also using it for photoshop and illustrator, do you think there will be any improvement at all, seeming that r5 strength isnt single core performance. Or wait for coffelake that is rumor to be release in aug?

[MrJarhead]

15 hours ago, He_162 said:

Have you even seen a guy running a 4790k on Arma 3 with no lag? Not a single frame-drop?

It cannot hold a candle to Ryzen's smoothness in arma, again it holds slightly lower maximum frames, but the minimums and the smoothness in which the frames are delivered is much better.

so youre telling me its better because of one single game? thats the most silly thing ive heard today.

[Guest]

On 23. April 2017 at 7:57 PM, DocSwag said:

If you're only gaming Ryzen's not worth it since you could get a 4790k instead and get at least as good gaming performance without having to get a new mobo or ram.

This OP.

[DocSwag]

4 hours ago, FTL said:

This OP.

Pretty sure OP has stopped looking at this thread  

[paulo93]

2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Pretty sure OP has stopped looking at this thread  

Im Here

I still havent come to a conclusion yet. 

One says that the i7 is better, the other says that ryzen is better. 

I think Ill wait and see how the ryzen performs on future games compared to the i7.

If the majority of people said that i7 (or the ryzen)   is defenitely better,  I would buy one or another but the answers have been 50/50 so  far.

[He_162]

9 hours ago, JJVGaming said:

Sorry stealing the thread but...

 

my setup was basically like your old one, i5 4590 and 1060. How much exactly was that jump? Because I'm thinking of possibly upgrading later this year

If you've ever wanted to play any game on your PC without a single stutter (except for a few in Arma 3) then it's worth it.

 

If you are not worried about maximum FPS, i.e. have a 144 hz monitor, etc, the smoothness Ryzen gives you is very much worth it.

[He_162]

7 hours ago, MrJarhead said:

so youre telling me its better because of one single game? thats the most silly thing ive heard today.

It's certainly better than the i5-4590, or the i7-4790.

 

It's smoother, cheaper, cooler, faster in any other test, and newer. It's future proof, utilizes DDR4, and doesn't bottleneck graphics cards as easily until you get to a 1080 and higher, and even then it hardly does so.

 

It's motherboard chipset will be compatible with AMD's 7nm processors yet to be released "Zen2" and that alone is worth an upgrade from 4th gen intel, considering they are releasing 8th gen in Q3 - Q1 2018 sometime.

[DocSwag]

25 minutes ago, paulo93 said:

Im Here

I still havent come to a conclusion yet. 

One says that the i7 is better, the other says that ryzen is better. 

I think Ill wait and see how the ryzen performs on future games compared to the i7.

If the majority of people said that i7 (or the ryzen)   is defenitely better,  I would buy one or another but the answers have been 50/50 so  far.

Welp nvm lol

 

The thing is I woulda recommended a 4790k, except that I've now had two people tell me that they feel gaming is much smoother on Ryzen, hence why I'm not so certain anymore  

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, He_162 said:

It's motherboard chipset will be compatible with AMD's 7nm processors yet to be released "Zen2" and that alone is worth an upgrade from 4th gen intel, considering they are releasing 8th gen in Q3 - Q1 2018 sometime.

I can't deny that that's a compelling reason to get Ryzen. A 4790k leaves you with no upgrade path, whereas AM4 will get new CPUs all the way until 2020.

[He_162]

25 minutes ago, paulo93 said:

Im Here

I still havent come to a conclusion yet. 

One says that the i7 is better, the other says that ryzen is better. 

I think Ill wait and see how the ryzen performs on future games compared to the i7.

If the majority of people said that i7 (or the ryzen)   is defenitely better,  I would buy one or another but the answers have been 50/50 so  far.

I see it this way:

Benefits of getting Ryzen now:

-It is future proof, and AMD's next "Zen 2" architecture will use the same motherboard chipset

-It is much smoother in games than 4 core processors of any kind

-It is cheaper than an i7 upgrade

-Ryzen is faster in almost all programs you would use such as google chrome, and general home theatre use, etc.

 

Benefits of waiting for intel's 6 core mainstream i7's in 2018:

-They will cost as much as current i7's, but be much faster in games than any current mainstream processors

-They will last much longer than Ryzen due to the well established 14nm node, and long term support that will be seen from a already broke in architecture

[He_162]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

I can't deny that that's a compelling reason to get Ryzen. A 4790k leaves you with no upgrade path, whereas AM4 will get new CPUs all the way until 2020.

Indeed, Intel is skipping 7nm for 5nm, and they are going to 10nm.

 

AMD is skipping 10nm and going for 7nm.

 

What we will see is the following:

(AMD 14nm vs Intel 14nm (mainstream) and 10nm (laptop) (2018)

AMD 7nm vs Intel 10nm (2019)

AMD 7nm vs intel 5nm (2020)

 

Keep in mind both companies are making 6 cores the standard for i5's and i7's, as well as AMD's "R5"s now

The next set of i7's in coffee lake "i7-8xxx" will be 6 core, 12 thread processors as fast as the i7-7700k.

[He_162]

If I was going to upgrade, I'd upgrade to Ryzen for the future proofing, Coffee Lake is intels last Z170 compatible node.

 

However, if I wanted the best performance, I'd save up and get Coffee Lakes best 6 core processor, because that thing will last you at least 10 years, I can almost guarantee it based on the fact that current intel first gen 6 cores still run great on systems today.