Amd 1600 build plans

[jjohnthedon1]

Hey guys so for 450 I can get a 

r5 1600

msi x370 krait 

16 gb ram 3200mhz 

 

or posibly the asrock board

 

anyone know of the ram will run at 3200mhz in this board 

 

any suggested ulterations my budget is 500 

[LienusLateTips]

Use PCPartpicker

[jjohnthedon1]

Just now, JDE said:

Use PCPartpicker

Part picker basically said get it all from here

[Brooksie359]

It's hard to say. Tbh it depends alot on the motherboard and the who created the memory. Hopefully once bios updates come out it will be easier and easier to achieve the higher ram speeds

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, jjohnthedon1 said:

Part picker basically said get it all from here

Wouldn't the 1600 be a downgrade?

[jjohnthedon1]

Just now, JDE said:

Wouldn't the 1600 be a downgrade?

My chip is dead and I have a 500 budget 

[zelix]

Best bet for 3200mhz ram is the G.Skill FlareX's

[jjohnthedon1]

Just now, JDE said:

Wouldn't the 1600 be a downgrade?

Also it would aprear to be a very small downgrade In gaming and a massive boost In Everything else 

[stealth80]

That ram won't run 3200mhz (yet) - Ryzen needs Samsung B die, so either CAS 14 3200 or CAS 16 3600

 

Be careful with that site, I was gonna buy stuff from there, but reviews aint great

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Also it would aprear to be a very small downgrade In gaming and a massive boost In Everything else 

Get one of the samsung B-die kits, 3000Mhz and CAS 14.  Most compatible out of any so far.

Cheapest B-die

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/V78H99/gskill-memory-f43000c14d16gtz

 

All B-die

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#L=140&s=403000&sort=a10&page=1

[jjohnthedon1]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Get one of the samsung B-die kits, 3000Mhz and CAS 14.  Most compatible out of any so far.

Cheapest B-die

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/V78H99/gskill-memory-f43000c14d16gtz

 

All B-die

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#L=140&s=403000&sort=a10&page=1

What will the corsair ram run at ? 

The. Oars only released 5 days ago and says it supports 3200mhz ? 

[jjohnthedon1]

4 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

That ram won't run 3200mhz (yet) - Ryzen needs Samsung B die, so either CAS 14 3200 or CAS 16 3600

 

Be careful with that site, I was gonna buy stuff from there, but reviews aint great

Reviews I saw looked pretty good 

but I can eat the same prices new enough on amazon 

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

What will the corsair ram run at ? 

The. Oars only released 5 days ago and says it supports 3200mhz ? 

Its iffy.  If you want to, go for it but it may not be capable of going past 2133

[kol]

I've just bought the same RAM kit and a Gigabyte X370 K7 from alza.co.uk as a friend of mine purchased his 1700x with no issues from them. If you have paid via paypal you should be covered.

 

[jjohnthedon1]

1 minute ago, kol said:

I've just bought the same RAM kit and a Gigabyte X370 K7 from alza.co.uk as a friend of mine purchased his 1700x with no issues from them. If you have paid via paypal you should be covered.

 

Do the board and corsair ram run at the right speed ? 

[kol]

Just now, jjohnthedon1 said:

Do the board and corsair ram run at the right speed ? 

I've no idea lol, my CPU is coming from amazon so it's on pre order and the board and memory just haven't arrived yet. If it doesn't support it yet, it will in coming days/weeks.

[He_162]

13 minutes ago, JDE said:

Wouldn't the 1600 be a downgrade?

From an i7-4790K?

No. The R5-1600 has higher single core performance than the i7-4790k at the same clock speeds, and two extra cores to make up for the losses in clock speeds, so it is at least 70% faster than the i7 overall in most applications, and slightly faster in most if not all games than it, but slower than the i7-7700k, or 6700k.

 

As for the OP's questions:

The "krait gaming" motherboard from MSI is the same as the MSI X370 SLI PLUS but it looks fancier, and thats about it.

 

The krait gaming also costs more, so the SLI PLUS is probably a better deal.

 

As for ram speeds, MSI has gotten most ram speeds working up to 3200mhz DDR4 in the Ryzen 8 cores, but only on the B350 motherboards, the update for the X370 boards via bios updates is supposed to be here very very soon, you can expect it before it arrives, even with 2 day shipping.

[jjohnthedon1]

2 minutes ago, kol said:

I've no idea lol, my CPU is coming from amazon so it's on pre order and the board and memory just haven't arrived yet. If it doesn't support it yet, it will in coming days/weeks.

So eventually all ddr4 ram should be supported ? 

[He_162]

Just now, jjohnthedon1 said:

So eventually all ddr4 ram should be supported ? 

Check my last post

[stealth80]

20 minutes ago, He_162 said:

From an i7-4790K?

No. The R5-1600 has higher single core performance than the i7-4790k at the same clock speeds, and two extra cores to make up for the losses in clock speeds, so it is at least 70% faster than the i7 overall in most applications, and slightly faster in most if not all games than it, but slower than the i7-7700k, or 6700k.

 

As for the OP's questions:

The "krait gaming" motherboard from MSI is the same as the MSI X370 SLI PLUS but it looks fancier, and thats about it.

 

The krait gaming also costs more, so the SLI PLUS is probably a better deal.

 

As for ram speeds, MSI has gotten most ram speeds working up to 3200mhz DDR4 in the Ryzen 8 cores, but only on the B350 motherboards, the update for the X370 boards via bios updates is supposed to be here very very soon, you can expect it before it arrives, even with 2 day shipping.

Nope it's slower in games, by quite a bit. I just switched from a 4790k @ 4.7ghz and did some tests before and after switching to a 1700 in my build log, have a look here:

 

Albeit It has improved with the new bios, taking the ram from 2133 to 2666 but my o/c @ 1.35v dropped to 3.8ghz - that still pushed up RotTR bench by around 4.5FPS - I haven't tested anymore as of yet as it is quite time consuming, once I get 4ghz and 3200mhz on the ram I will re-test them all

 

20 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

So eventually all ddr4 ram should be supported ? 

It's all supported now, just only at the base speed of 2133mhz. Mine wouldn't go above 2133 initially, I got a bios update last week which pushed it to 2666mhz but the CPU OC dropped 200mhz.

 

They will all get there eventually, its just a matter of if you can wait. I've also read an article where they think it could be a limitation of the memory controller as one guy had different results across 3 CPU's (1700, 1700X, 1800X) with the same board and ram

[jjohnthedon1]

7 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Nope it's slower in games, by quite a bit. I just switched from a 4790k @ 4.7ghz and did some tests before and after switching to a 1700 in my build log, have a look here:

 

Albeit It has improved with the new bios, taking the ram from 2133 to 2666 but my o/c @ 1.35v dropped to 3.8ghz - that still pushed up RotTR bench by around 4.5FPS - I haven't tested anymore as of yet as it is quite time consuming, once I get 4ghz and 3200mhz on the ram I will re-test them all

 

It's all supported now, just only at the base speed of 2133mhz. Mine wouldn't go above 2133 initially, I got a bios update last week which pushed it to 2666mhz but the CPU OC dropped 200mhz.

 

They will all get there eventually, its just a matter of if you can wait. I've also read an article where they think it could be a limitation of the memory controller as one guy had different results across 3 CPU's (1700, 1700X, 1800X) with the same board and ram

How much worse are we talking in gaming 

I'm at 1440p 144hz sli 980tis and I play mostly at ultra 

[stealth80]

Just now, jjohnthedon1 said:

How much worse are we talking in gaming 

I'm at 1440p 144hz sli 980tis and I play mostly at ultra 

not noticeable in game, it actually feels smoother as the minimums are higher on Ryzen. If you look at my log I have ran around 6 games worth of benchmarks @ 1440P on my 1080, both before on the i7 and on the 1700 albeit with 2133mhz ram

[jjohnthedon1]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

not noticeable in game, it actually feels smoother as the minimums are higher on Ryzen. If you look at my log I have ran around 6 games worth of benchmarks @ 1440P on my 1080, both before on the i7 and on the 1700 albeit with 2133mhz ram

Can u link me please  il take smoothness over 2 percent highs any day 

 

also do u think I should try and stretch for a 1700 ? 

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Can u link me please  il take smoothness over 2 percent highs any day 

 

also do u think I should try and stretch for a 1700 ? 

If you're going for Ryzen and can make the stretch for sure get the 1700, but is my opinion haha.

 

The link is in the previous message I quoted you in, its also in my signature under "Ryzen Refresh"

 

As for your build

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£212.80 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K5 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£162.62 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£148.40 @ More Computers)
Total: £523.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 00:24 BST+0100

 

That board has external clock generator allowing BCLK overclocking

[jjohnthedon1]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

If you're going for Ryzen and can make the stretch for sure get the 1700, but is my opinion haha.

 

The link is in the previous message I quoted you in, its also in my signature under "Ryzen Refresh"

 

As for your build

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£212.80 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K5 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£162.62 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£148.40 @ More Computers)
Total: £523.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 00:24 BST+0100

 

That board has external clock generator allowing BCLK overclocking

Ok il check it out ty 

that board it out of stock 

are there any issues with the board I picked as I like the asthetics

and I'm ok with waiting in ram support for the corsair ram too