First AM4 ITX board appears - Uses x370 Chipset

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, Deli said:

How much? $20??

 

Many people simply don't see the point of gigantic ATX mobo  and big tower cases when they have no plan to SLI or Crossfire. ITX build makes so much more sense.

I super like the part where you're ignoring mATX entirely.

 

But even what you're getting into, people PLAN  For ITX you have to PLAN.  You have to get a cooler and GPU that will fit into an ITX case.  It takes a more conscious effort to plan an ITX build and not accidentally screw yourself over.  Even if someone isn't building a top-top end build, they have to be more than the 'average user' to even be motivated to plan out an ITX specific build.

 

And yeah, all the components cost more. The motherboards cost more.  The cases cost more.  The PSUs cost more.  (Okay, I admit that some ITX cases can take ATX PSUs)  ITX specific cooling options can cost more.

 

ITX builds are not 'average' but don't confuse that for me saying that they are all top end.  But as they are not average, some of those builds are going to use higher end CPUs.  But when you are talking about the 'average user' you are not talking about ITX builds.

[bbqsauce]

3 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

I super like the part where you're ignoring mATX entirely.

 

But even what you're getting into, people PLAN  For ITX you have to PLAN.  You have to get a cooler and GPU that will fit into an ITX case.  It takes a more conscious effort to plan an ITX build and not accidentally screw yourself over.  Even if someone isn't building a top-top end build, they have to be more than the 'average user' to even be motivated to plan out an ITX specific build.

 

And yeah, all the components cost more. The motherboards cost more.  The cases cost more.  The PSUs cost more.  (Okay, I admit that some ITX cases can take ATX PSUs)  ITX specific cooling options can cost more.

 

ITX builds are not 'average' but don't confuse that for me saying that they are all top end.  But as they are not average, some of those builds are going to use higher end CPUs.  But when you are talking about the 'average user' you are not talking about ITX builds.

while i agree that when it comes to ITX, its usually for the prosumers,
its not exactly true that ITX builds costs more. conversely, you are likely to spend less. when you compare a good ITX case to a good ATX one, most of the time the ATX costs more. you can argue that there are cheap ATX cases no doubt, but thats not exactly fair is it? there are also cheap ITX cases.

motherboards don't exactly cost alot more than their equal counterparts. not an earth shattering amount anyway.
PSUs are pretty much equal as well. if comparing something like a sfx600w gold from silverstone to a evga 600w gold one.
cooling solutions are likely to cost less for ITX instead since you are space constrained and won't be able to fit something like a top end air cooler or 240 aio. 
similarly, thermal constrains may even push you to selecting lower tdp components or even avoid oc-ing all together.

of course i don't have exact prices, all these just off the top of my head.
in the end this argument is a moot point if you aren't comparing as equal as possible as ATX has alot more cheaper varieties so yes in that sense ATX is cheaper or rather it is possible for ATX to be cheaper.

[tobi]

Well if not AsRock / MSi releases a miTX board very soon Ill  probably get this one...

[Deli]

49 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

I super like the part where you're ignoring mATX entirely.

 

But even what you're getting into, people PLAN  For ITX you have to PLAN.  You have to get a cooler and GPU that will fit into an ITX case.  It takes a more conscious effort to plan an ITX build and not accidentally screw yourself over.  Even if someone isn't building a top-top end build, they have to be more than the 'average user' to even be motivated to plan out an ITX specific build.

 

And yeah, all the components cost more. The motherboards cost more.  The cases cost more.  The PSUs cost more.  (Okay, I admit that some ITX cases can take ATX PSUs)  ITX specific cooling options can cost more.

 

ITX builds are not 'average' but don't confuse that for me saying that they are all top end.  But as they are not average, some of those builds are going to use higher end CPUs.  But when you are talking about the 'average user' you are not talking about ITX builds.

Maybe your definition of "average" is very different from mine.

 

Also, I have like Define Nano S those type of cases in my head. Which doesn't need any special ccoling solution or SFX PSU.

 

If you're talking about NCASE M1 or Dan Cases A4-SFX. Then yes, those builders aren't "average".

[cluelessgenius]

On 03/03/2017 at 8:01 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

I meant: 

To get the most out of Ryzen overclocking wise....

 seriously i dont get you. so youre saying that for gaming you have to oc and any board notperfectly made for it is pointless?

[alexcheetah]

Too bad biostar boards are ugly...

[PCGuy_5960]

6 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

 seriously i dont get you. so youre saying that for gaming you have to oc and any board notperfectly made for it is pointless?

Have you seen Ryzen non OC benchmarks? (for gaming?)

[goodtofufriday]

This board likely doesnt have the power delivery needed for decent OC any as it has a 4 pin cpu power connector. 

[cluelessgenius]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Have you seen Ryzen non OC benchmarks? (for gaming?)

Listen dude as you can read from my sig i Run a 8120 so dont Talk to me about Bad benchmarks. Yes obviously OC will get you more for your money but Not everyonemwants to tinker. Doesnt make this board pointless. Im Not saying non OC ryzen would be my choice for gaming im just saying itx boards have their place inspite being Not so super well endowed for OC as bigger boards

[PCGuy_5960]

11 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

Listen dude as you can read from my sig i Run a 8120 so dont Talk to me about Bad benchmarks. Yes obviously OC will get you more for your money but Not everyonemwants to tinker. Doesnt make this board pointless. Im Not saying non OC ryzen would be my choice for gaming im just saying itx boards have their place inspite being Not so super well endowed for OC as bigger boards

This board would be amazing for a small form factor workstation. For gaming I would get a 7700K and a Z270 mITX motherboard and call it a day.

[cluelessgenius]

11 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

This board would be amazing for a small form factor workstation. For gaming I would get a 7700K and a Z270 mITX motherboard and call it a day.

well i had hopes for ryzen but seeing now how everything turned out sadly i have to agree and will just get the msi z270i with a 7700k not for oc though im just hoping i can undervolt that sucker for even lower noise. which brings up one point im still interested in about ryzen. did amd finally fix the stock cooler or is it still a turbine.

[PCGuy_5960]

10 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

which brings up one point im still interested in about ryzen. did amd finally fix the stock cooler or is it still a turbine.

TBH, idk. I haven't found benchmarks that use the stock cooler.... 

[79wjd]

14 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

TBH, idk. I haven't found benchmarks that use the stock cooler.... 

It uses the wraith cooler, which was launched with the 7890k -- which does perform pretty well (around hyper 212 iirc).

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

It uses the wraith cooler, which was launched with the 7890k -- which does perform pretty well (around hyper 212 iirc).

It's not the same Wraith Cooler as the 7890K though...

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It's not the same Wraith Cooler as the 7890K though...

Presumably it won't be worse. 

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Presumably it won't be worse. 

Have you seen the Wraith Spire? It doesn't even have heatpipes  CPUs with the actual Wraith coolers are not being sold right now....

[79wjd]

11 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Have you seen the Wraith Spire? It doesn't even have heatpipes  CPUs with the actual Wraith coolers are not being sold right now....

Ohhhh, I figured it would be similar to the normal wraith cooler.

 

By the looks of it, it's maybe marginally better than Intel's stock cooler. mkay AMD. well played. 

[captain cactus]

12 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Ohhhh, I figured it would be similar to the normal wraith cooler.

 

By the looks of it, it's maybe marginally better than Intel's stock cooler. mkay AMD. well played. 

Marginally better? I've seen people on Reddit talking about the Wraith Spire keeping a 3.9GHz OC on a 1700 rock solid at 65-70ºC. For a stock solution with no heat pipes that's amazing.

[cj09beira]

31 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Have you seen the Wraith Spire? It doesn't even have heatpipes  CPUs with the actual Wraith coolers are not being sold right now....

it has much more mass, and the fan has a shroud which helps with air flow

[Deli]

20 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Marginally better? I've seen people on Reddit talking about the Wraith Spire keeping a 3.9GHz OC on a 1700 rock solid at 65-70ºC. For a stock solution with no heat pipes that's amazing.

Anything you read on Reddit should be taken as a grain of salt.

 

I saw some claims they have their 7700K @ 5.0GHz under 55C at full load with 212 EVO. Yeah, I'd believe that.

[PCGuy_5960]

19 hours ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Marginally better? I've seen people on Reddit talking about the Wraith Spire keeping a 3.9GHz OC on a 1700 rock solid at 65-70ºC. For a stock solution with no heat pipes that's amazing.

But, Ryzen's temp sensors are not accurate

[byalexandr]

On 3/3/2017 at 0:45 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

Why would you need an 8 core CPU in an ITX PC?

Why the hell not?

[Phate.exe]

Since I'm waiting for the R5's to come out anyways, I find myself wanting a water cooled ITX build more and more every day.

[ATrollAaaNnnnn]

On 3/3/2017 at 1:46 PM, goodtofufriday said:

I used to run a 8350 ITX setup

U wot, there is no consumer grade am3 itx boards

[goodtofufriday]

2 hours ago, NightBladeDK said:

U wot, there is no consumer grade am3 itx boards

Firstly, for am3 there is. 

 

For am3+, whic people say there isnt, there is. I showed it on the first page. Youd have seen it had you kept reading. 

 

"Yes there is sir. ECS A960m-mv - technically DTX but I digress. It fits in itx cases.

 

https://imgur.com/a/h4mpG "

 

I personally made a pc with it.