core i7 7700k vs new ryzen r7 1700

[darkmatter21]

which one to bbuy the i7 7700k or the new r7 1700

all the two are at the same price range but for mainlly gaming and futur proof which one ?

[Guest Kloaked]

7700k still beats it for gaming.

[Radiant]

eventhough ryzen is a blast, id go for the intel.

[darkmatter21]

Just now, Radiant said:

eventhough ryzen is a blast, id go for the intel.

but why ?

 

 

[Radiant]

Just now, darkmatter21 said:

but why ?

 

 

in my experience, intel hold better over time, stay cooler and are just better in my opinion... no hate against ryzen, ive just had not so good experience with amd (execp my fx 4300 that i got to 4,5ghz on a air cooler)

[darkmatter21]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

7700k still beats it for gaming.

but what about 3 years down the row? will it saty better ?

 

[Guest Darth Revan]

i7

[knightslugger]

2 minutes ago, darkmatter21 said:

but why ?

 

 

because the R7's are not designed purely for gaming. You wouldn't buy a Xeon for gaming, would you? no! but you WOULD if you were streaming and needed it to multitask (running a game and transcoding video simultaniously).

 

that's what the R7's are for: heavy multitasking.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, darkmatter21 said:

but what about 3 years down the row? will it saty better ?

 

I don't have future-telling abilities so no. I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I'm just being honest. Nobody can tell you one way or the other. I'm just telling you how it sits at this moment.

[darkmatter21]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

I don't have future-telling abilities so no. I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I'm just being honest. Nobody can tell you one way or the other. I'm just telling you how it sits at this moment.

does 8c , 16 th benefits from 3d modeling

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, darkmatter21 said:

does 8c , 16 th benefits from 3d modeling

Probably. Don't know by how much if it's even significant.

[DarkBlade2117]

8 minutes ago, Radiant said:

in my experience, intel hold better over time, stay cooler and are just better in my opinion... no hate against ryzen, ive just had not so good experience with amd (execp my fx 4300 that i got to 4,5ghz on a air cooler)

Those are all the wrong reasons to suggest Intel over AMD

[darkmatter21]

Just now, Kloaked said:

Probably. Don't know by how much if it's even significant.

well i''m goning to start 3d modelling and a littel programming

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, darkmatter21 said:

well i''m goning to start 3d modelling and a littel programming

If you're buying right now, I would go Intel. Ryzen looks good, but I don't think it's going to be better than Intel at this point in time. I suggest playing it safe unless you can find a review somewhere where they specifically test the things you'll be using it for.

[darkmatter21]

3 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

If you're buying right now, I would go Intel. Ryzen looks good, but I don't think it's going to be better than Intel at this point in time. I suggest playing it safe unless you can find a review somewhere where they specifically test the things you'll be using it for.

i can wait a littel bit 2 monthes

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

the i7-7700K destroy the Ryzen 7 unless you have applications that can use 10 threads or more...AKA...not games...not modelling...not editing...pretty much nothing outside of rendering and encoding.

[Sir Asvald]

25 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

because the R7's are not designed purely for gaming. You wouldn't buy a Xeon for gaming, would you? no! but you WOULD if you were streaming and needed it to multitask (running a game and transcoding video simultaniously).

 

that's what the R7's are for: heavy multitasking.

Same goes for i7. You could game on an i5... 

 

 

[knightslugger]

4 minutes ago, Abdul201588 said:

Same goes for i7. You could game on an i5... 

 

 

hell yes you could. and many do.

[Rabih.H]

On 03/03/2017 at 5:57 AM, Kloaked said:

7700k still beats it for gaming.

Not true at all.

 

http://www.toptengamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-vs-intel-i7-7700k-1800x/

 

A 3.9GHz 1700 keeps up with a 5GHz 7700K, and you can do this on the stock AMD cooler. You'll need to invest in a decent aftermarket cooler to get the 7700K to attain such speeds. The R7 1700 is a better gaming CPU, but the majority of reviews seem to neglect this.

[Rabih.H]

Buy an i5 7600K and invest in a better GPU. It will attain better FPS than any Ryzen or i7 alternative.

 

However, if it is strictly between the two, go for the 1700. You can get up to 4GHz overclocks on the stock cooler, and at 3.9GHz it keeps up with a 5GHz 7700K (which requires aftermarket cooling to attain).

 

http://www.toptengamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-vs-intel-i7-7700k-1800x/

[Guest Kloaked]

7 minutes ago, Rabih.H said:

Not true at all.

 

http://www.toptengamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-vs-intel-i7-7700k-1800x/

 

A 3.9GHz 1700 keeps up with a 5GHz 7700K, and you can do this on the stock AMD cooler. You'll need to invest in a decent aftermarket cooler to get the 7700K to attain such speeds. The R7 1700 is a better gaming CPU, but the majority of reviews seem to neglect this.

In that review you linked, the 7700k is beating the 1700 overall in maximum and minimum FPS.

 

AMD includes a decent cooler that's probably on par or slightly worse than a $20-ish Cryorig cooler. Plus, past a certain overclock you will get major diminishing returns, and I'm pretty sure the general overclock ceiling for this is around 4.5Ghz for Intel chips, which is easily attainable with said cooler. I'm not saying every chip is like that or every application will behave the same, but the majority have always been that way.

 

And before you call me an Intel shill, I do not like Intel as a company. I genuinely want a full AMD rig but they are falling short just a hair, so I'm personally waiting for them to sort out the current issues. It's very close right now so I can see optimizations being made over the next few months or so which will make all of this even more interesting.

 

OP is wanting something right now, and right now the 7700k is the safest bet. Ryzen is a new technology and has headaches that come with it for right now.

[xephoneration]

Eh, so the thing with AMD, in respect to ryzen, which pcmag does a much more full in depth review about, is that if you are a streamer, YouTuber, or do heavy multi threaded application workload 1800x and the 1700(x) is very worth investing into. if you are doing pure gaming i7 7700k or a i7 6700k are way better for that route even an i5 7600k. The 1800x and the 1700(x) are aimed for individuals who are streamers, youtubers, and does what all not with multi threaded applications on a budget. Would I get the 1800x or 1700(x) no, because I would lose gaming performance. should you get it? well if you are not either the 4 categories meant for this chip series then the answer is no. We can beat the same horse with a dead cat but when push comes to shove, which pcmag review is A+ on, is that the ryzen chipsets that are currently released do not perform as well in gaming benchmarks. 

[suits]

It's really hard to say. Nvidia announced a lot of performance increases for DX12/multi core games. Seems like it is the future but the 7700k is pretty future proof too. Especially as 1080p slowly (and hopefully) gets phased out. 

[scottyseng]

On ‎3‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 2:10 PM, darkmatter21 said:

well i''m goning to start 3d modelling and a littel programming

3D modeling relies more on GPU for viewport performance. However, if you want to do simulation, rendering, or encoding, more cores are used. The renderer you use also effects if you should get more CPU vs GPU power.

 

Usually though, the GPU matters most.

 

As for programming, that doesn't need much CPU at all...

 

I'd say go for the 7700K, but the 1700 is a compelling value for the money. Though if you can, I would try to wait it out for the 1700 until they iron out all of the BIOS issues between the motherboard manufacturers. Windows also needs to fix itself to properly use ryzen.

[Phentos]

Honestly it boils down to a few points.

 

If you care about competitive gaming in CS:GO or Overwatch, and you need every frame you can get on a 144hz+ monitor, the 7700K is the clear choice. 

 

If you only play games on your PC and you are at a sub-4K resolution, the 7700K is arguably the better choice (for now).

 

If you anticipate playing games at 4K in the future and/or you use your PC for productivity work, or you are a Youtuber/Twitch streamer, go with the 1700 or the 1700X. The 1800X is not worth the premium at this time.