Ryzen IPC discussion

[Thelillypad123]

My brother and I are having a discussion where I am saying that I believe that ryzen's IPC is in line with broadwell-E's. I am not sure if I am right, is there like a source out there that has tested this. I.e. - broadwell e IPC- #, skylake- #, ryzen-#. I'm under the impression that skylake and kaby lake still probably have better IPC, but is there anything that proves this?

[Mr.Meerkat]

From the sources we currently have, Ryzen should have an IPC of somewhere between Haswell and Broadwell  

[TheNaitsyrk]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

From the sources we currently have, Ryzen should have an IPC of somewhere between Haswell and Broadwell  

Which is negligible. The differences between generations are ultra tiny. I decided myself to get 1800X if the benchmarks are really true. 1800x is apparently faster by 30% than my 6800k so I might as well get it, IF it really is that fast. Waiting for reviews now.

[RadiatingLight]

the R7 1800X had the same score in the cinebench single threaded as the 6900K, which is broadwell. however, the 1800X boosts about 300Mhz more, which is about 8% more.

so it's probably haswell level IPC

[Megah3rtz]

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Which is negligible. The differences between generations are ultra tiny. I decided myself to get 1800X if the benchmarks are really true. 1800x is apparently faster by 30% than my 6800k so I might as well get it, IF it really is that fast. Waiting for reviews now.

Isn't that just a waste of money if you already own an i7 6800k? why not wait for Zen+? 

[Enderman]

It's almost identical, linus saw the side by side benchmark and the fps was just a bit behind the 6950X, both at stock, just gaming.

The 6700k and 7700k do have better core performance, but for anyone doing more than just games and internet, ryzen is waaay more cost effective than broadwell-E.

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, Megah3rtz said:

Isn't that just a waste of money if you already own an i7 6800k? why not wait for Zen+? 

God knows how long I would have to wait, and the prices could also elevate. Not to mention, I'm still waiting for benchmarks. If it's not as expected then I'll just stick to my 6800k and I'll get 1080 TI in SLI instead.

[TheNaitsyrk]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

It's almost identical, linus saw the side by side benchmark and the fps was just a bit behind the 6950X, both at stock, just gaming.

The 6700k and 7700k do have better core performance, but for anyone doing more than just games and internet, ryzen is waaay more cost effective than broadwell-E.

1800X is 30% faster than my 6800K which is OC to 4.3 Ghz. When I OC 1800X, the gap will increase even more. 95W TDP instead of 140W. Easier to cool. 280mm AIO liquid cooler will be enough.

[dexT]

Not proof per say, but all of the other leaks were true so far. "Better single-threaded performance per clock than Kaby Lake" and beating the 6950X after one click OC.

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-overclocking-performance/

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

1800X is 30% faster than my 6800K which is OC to 4.3 Ghz. When I OC 1800X, the gap will increase even more. 95W TDP instead of 140W. Easier to cool. 280mm AIO liquid cooler will be enough.

In multithreaded yeah, but not in gaming.

OP is asking about ipc, so how well the single core performance does.

The 1800X is almost identical to 6950X/6900k/6800k core performance.

That means the 6700k and 7700k have better core performance.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, dexT said:

Not proof per say, but all of the other leaks were true so far. "Better single-threaded performance per clock than Kaby Lake" and beating the 6950X after one click OC.

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-overclocking-performance/

That's because of higher clockspeed, not because of IPC.

IPC was the question

[dexT]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

That's because of higher clockspeed, not because of IPC.

IPC was the question

"Better single-threaded performance per clock than Kaby Lake"

[Mr.Meerkat]

14 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Which is negligible. The differences between generations are ultra tiny. I decided myself to get 1800X if the benchmarks are really true. 1800x is apparently faster by 30% than my 6800k so I might as well get it, IF it really is that fast. Waiting for reviews now.

So 5-10% is negligible? Fair enough 

[TheNaitsyrk]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

In multithreaded yeah, but not in gaming.

OP is asking about ipc, so how well the single core performance does.

The 1800X is almost identical to 6950X/6900k/6800k core performance.

That means the 6700k and 7700k have better core performance.

Battlefield 1 looked promising, if reviewers prove me that in games it is indeed similar or even just slightly below, I'll still get it.

[TechyInAZ]

The fortunate thing about AMD is that they don't NEED their Ryzen chips to have the same IPC as skylake or Kaby Lake, even at haswell IPC, the massive amount of cores + huge overclocking headroom (presumably according to news sites), allows them to beat Intel's current offerings.

 

Though it seems the bad news is that the memory controller is pretty weak.

[ZeusXI]

16 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

Isn't that just a waste of money if you already own an i7 6800k? why not wait for Zen+? 

when is Zen+ coming out?

[TechyInAZ]

1 minute ago, ZeusXI said:

when is Zen+ coming out?

Not for a while, it's going to be a 7nm tech, so I presume late 2018 to mid 2019 at the earliest.

[ZeusXI]

Just now, TechyInAZ said:

Not for a while, it's going to be a 7nm tech, so I presume late 2018 to mid 2019 at the earliest.

if its AM4, then zen+ would be a update haha

im still going to get Zen. a benchmark pc and gaming pc sounds good

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, TechyInAZ said:

Not for a while, it's going to be a 7nm tech, so I presume late 2018 to mid 2019 at the earliest.

Exactly, and even Intel is struggling apparently to lower to 10nm, therefore if the Ryzen CPUs are really that great then it's a steal.

[Guest]

I don't know how reliable this benchmark is, but someone uploaded a 1700x to userbenchmark. 
Comparing it to a 6800k, both at 3.4Ghz, they have the same Single Core performance

[TechyInAZ]

Just now, ZeusXI said:

if its AM4, then zen+ would be a update haha

im still going to get Zen. a benchmark pc and gaming pc sounds good

Yep still AM4.

 

That's when I'm gona upgrade my haswell system. It's gona be interesting. Still wondering what I'll choose, Zen+ or Icelake/Tigerlake.

[Mr.Humble]

You guys have any independent reviewer numbers to verify all those speed claims?

[ZeusXI]

Just now, TechyInAZ said:

Yep still AM4.

 

That's when I'm gona upgrade my haswell system. It's gona be interesting. Still wondering what I'll choose, Zen+ or Icelake/Tigerlake.

see what happens when the time comes

[TheNaitsyrk]

8 minutes ago, Medicate said:

I don't know how reliable this benchmark is, but someone uploaded a 1700x to userbenchmark. 
Comparing it to a 6800k, both at 3.4Ghz, they have the same Single Core performance

Games will start utilising more cores. Some games don't even open on dual core systems any more, so I'm future proofing myself and I don't just play games. 30% faster rendering is compelling.