# of Cores> ? # of Threads> ? Processor Base Frequency> ? Cache ?

[PRATAP]

 

Hi Experts

 

Can you please help me to understand while comparing i3-7th gen CPU's 7101E, 7101TE, 7100T, 7100, 7350K, 7320, 7300, 7300T, 7167U, 7100U, 7100H, 7102E & 7100E,

 

which one is the 1st Priority from below?

# of Cores

# of Threads

Processor Base Frequency

Cache

 

if speed is the requirement which one to consider? Cores? Threads? Processor Base Frequency?

[Guest]

They are all dual core with 4 threads

 

Out of all of them 7350K will be fastest as it has highest clock speed as well as ability to overclock

[PRATAP]

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

They are all dual core with 4 threads

 

Out of all of them 7350K will be fastest as it has highest clock speed as well as ability to overclock

 

Thank you for your reply..

Can you plz tell the priority among these 

 

# of Cores

# of Threads

Processor Base Frequency

Cache

[Guest Kloaked]

2 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

Thank you for your reply..

Can you plz tell the priority among these 

 

# of Cores

# of Threads

Processor Base Frequency

Cache

There isn't a priority.

[PRATAP]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

There isn't a priority.

 

When we see the values "Number of Cores" & "Number of Threads"

 

2 Cores with 4 Threads

or

4 Cores with 2 Threads

 

Which is Fast??

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

When we see the values "Number of Cores" & "Number of Threads"

 

2 Cores with 4 Threads

or

4 Cores with 2 Threads

 

Which is Fast??

Both can be fast.

 

You need to look at actual benchmarks for the CPUs you're inquiring about, and then which specific applications you'll be using it for - even then, basic benchmarks won't tell you the whole story. This is how you will get a baseline on how a piece of hardware will perform.

 

As another example, a Radeon video card could have more stream processors than a Geforce card, but that does not mean the Radeon card will perform better. Look at benchmarks and then look at even more benchmarks.

[Princess Luna]

There is no such thing as 4cores 2 threads since each core is a thread, but if you add hyper threading then 1 core is 2 threads

[PRATAP]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Both can be fast.

 

You need to look at actual benchmarks for the CPUs you're inquiring about, and then which specific applications you'll be using it for - even then, basic benchmarks won't tell you the whole story. This is how you will get a baseline on how a piece of hardware will perform.

 

As another example, a Radeon video card could have more stream processors than a Geforce card, but that does not mean the Radeon card will perform better. Look at benchmarks and then look at even more benchmarks.

 

Thanks for your Reply..

 

actually i am thinking to build a PC which boots fast.. i will use this PC only for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype.. nothing more than this..

 

I have already selected the below to buy

 

ASRock H110M-STX

Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

 

now thinking about CPU to change if it is not fast

[Enderman]

9 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

When we see the values "Number of Cores" & "Number of Threads"

 

2 Cores with 4 Threads

or

4 Cores with 2 Threads

 

Which is Fast??

It's not possible to have less threads than cores...

[smokefest]

The more cores you have, the best it is,
The more threads you have the best it is,
The highest frequency you have the best it is,
The more cache you have, the best it is,

Priorities ? Depends on what you want...

Workstation ? more cores/threads over frequencies..

Gaming ? You want 4 cores and  high frequency, if possible 8 threads sometimes help for heavy CPU games... Having more than 4 cores can help, cannot be bad, but you prefer having higher frequency for gaming. That said a dual core with high frequency will not beat a quad core with lower frequency so... you need to understand the concept of cores/frequencies

 

 

[PRATAP]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

It's not possible to have less threads than cores...

Thanks for the Reply..

When we compare all models of CPU's available for i3..

 

Number of Cores is important or Number of Threads? or Processor Base Frequency? or Cache?

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

Thanks for your Reply..

 

actually i am thinking to build a PC which boots fast.. i will use this PC only for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype.. nothing more than this..

 

I have already selected the below to buy

 

ASRock H110M-STX

Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

 

now thinking about CPU to change if it is not fast

How much can you spend I can give you a couple of ideas using pcpartpicker, a rig not meant for gaming can go quite easy on specs also that CPU and Mobo might not be compatible if the BIOs is outdated

[Enderman]

4 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

Thanks for the Reply..

When we compare all models of CPU's available for i3..

 

Number of Cores is important or Number of Threads? or Processor Base Frequency? or Cache?

4 cores 4 threads > 2 cores 4 threads > 2 cores 2 threads

[Mira Yurizaki]

32 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

Hi Experts

 

Can you please help me to understand while comparing i3-7th gen CPU's 7101E, 7101TE, 7100T, 7100, 7350K, 7320, 7300, 7300T, 7167U, 7100U, 7100H, 7102E & 7100E,

 

which one is the 1st Priority from below?

# of Cores

# of Threads

Processor Base Frequency

Cache

 

if speed is the requirement which one to consider? Cores? Threads? Processor Base Frequency?

If you were looking at a single architecture, then what you listed is the order of priority you should be looking at for best performance. Between architectures, it's pretty much a toss up.

 

Though I would like to make one caveat. Considering that Hyperthreading (which doubles the thread count) is situational and increases performance by about 10%-15% for practical workloads (not benchmarks), if you can find a 2C/2T part with at least that much more in clock speed, the performance gap should close up.

[PRATAP]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

How much can you spend I can give you a couple of ideas using pcpartpicker, a rig not meant for gaming can go quite easy on specs also that CPU and Mobo might not be compatible if the BIOs is outdated

 

Hi,

 

i have build around 10 PCs for frds and relatives, since last 4 Years, ranging from i3 to i7 but using only for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype..

 

this time i am building PC only to taste new form factor mini-STX

my preference is to minimize booting time

 

my budget is 600 US Dollars

[19_blackie_73]

14 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

Thanks for the Reply..

When we compare all models of CPU's available for i3..

 

Number of Cores is important or Number of Threads? or Processor Base Frequency? or Cache?

ALL i3s are 2 cores and 4 threads, the may be differ slightly by frequency, integrated gpu, cache or TDP. None of them will make your pc unusable.

You probably will get the most performance out of the 7350k, though it is NOT the best price to performance ratio. at the price point of the 7350k you can already get an i5.

Probably best price to performance is the 7100, i wouldn't bother looking at the other t, e or whatever, they are created for specific niche thingys.

18 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

will use this PC only for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype

And for that purpose, the 7100 will do just fine.

 

18 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

ASRock H110M-STX

Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

i wouldn't bother spending the extra bucks on the 7320, how much is it over the 7100? Probably not worth the price.

You need to double check your motherboard whether it supports the new 7th gen processors or not, H110 is designed for the 6th gen processors and therefore require a bios update to work with the 7th gen.

As you seem to be on a budget, I recommend saving some cash and also get a standard sata ssd like the mx300 or so instead of the 600p

(8gb would be also worth considering)

 

 

 

EDIT: according to pcpartpicker: 7320 $161; 7100 $116: not worth for extra 0.2 ghz

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

Thanks for your Reply..

 

actually i am thinking to build a PC which boots fast.. i will use this PC only for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype.. nothing more than this..

 

I have already selected the below to buy

 

ASRock H110M-STX

Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

 

now thinking about CPU to change if it is not fast

You don't need an m.2 SSD for that. It won't make a difference and you are just wasting money

[PRATAP]

5 minutes ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

ALL i3s are 2 cores and 4 threads, the may be differ slightly by frequency, integrated gpu, cache or TDP. None of them will make your pc unusable.

You probably will get the most performance out of the 7350k, though it is NOT the best price to performance ratio. at the price point of the 7350k you can already get an i5.

Probably best price to performance is the 7100, i wouldn't bother looking at the other t, e or whatever, they are created for specific niche thingys.

And for that purpose, the 7100 will do just fine.

 

i wouldn't bother spending the extra bucks on the 7320, how much is it over the 7100? Probably not worth the price.

You need to double check your motherboard whether it supports the new 7th gen processors or not, H110 is designed for the 6th gen processors and therefore require a bios update to work with the 7th gen.

As you seem to be on a budget, I recommend saving some cash and also get a standard sata ssd like the mx300 or so instead of the 600p

(8gb would be also worth considering)

 

 

 

EDIT: according to pcpartpicker: 7320 $161; 7100 $116: not worth for extra 0.2 ghz

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@PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA

 

I do want to make another caveat as a counter point to my last post. Though this is only a theory, I haven't found a way to test it. Hyperthreading may actually provide a performance boost in another area: context switching. Context switching (which is when the processor offloads its current task and loads a new one) is expensive. Hyperthreading can help mitigate this.

 

While in theory a faster 2C/2T part should be able to keep up with a 2C/4T part, the 2C/2T part has to switch contexts twice as a much, resulting in a performance hit.

 

I guess it depends on your expected use case and workload

 

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

You don't need an m.2 SSD for that. It won't make a difference and you are just wasting money

Specify it's an NVME SSD. M.2 SATA is fine.

[19_blackie_73]

4 minutes ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

H110M-STX

yeah, it is possible

as you have a budget of 600 (which you don't even need, i'd simple suggest sth like that if you wanna keep that ssd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($116.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B250I PRO Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($70.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Intel 600p Series 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($63.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $451.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-23 12:05 EST-0500

[PRATAP]

2 minutes ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

yeah, it is possible

as you have a budget of 600 (which you don't even need, i'd simple suggest sth like that if you wanna keep that ssd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($116.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B250I PRO Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($70.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Intel 600p Series 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($63.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $451.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-23 12:05 EST-0500

 

I thank you for your time for suggesting above products..

 

my preferences are mini-STX (new form factor which is recently available)

AC DC Adapter

easy installation (NVMe SSD)

 

So i selected

 

1. ASRock Mini Desk 110W (ASRock H110m-STX board, Wifi+BT Module, 120W AC DC Adapter)

2. Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

3. CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

4. SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

 

Fast Booting is my priority.. after Booting i will use it for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype..

Can you suggest now to best configure no. 2, 3 & 4 from Above as no. 1 is Fixed.

[19_blackie_73]

1 hour ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

I thank you for your time for suggesting above products..

 

my preferences are mini-STX (new form factor which is recently available)

AC DC Adapter

easy installation (NVMe SSD)

 

So i selected

 

1. ASRock Mini Desk 110W (ASRock H110m-STX board, Wifi+BT Module, 120W AC DC Adapter)

2. Intel SSD 128 GB 600P series 80 mm M.2 PCIe 3.0 TLC

3. CPU INTEL Core i3-7320 BOX (4.1GHz, LGA1151, VGA)

4. SO-DIMM 4 GB DDR4-2400 MHz Crucial CL17 SRx8

 

Fast Booting is my priority.. after Booting i will use it for Browsing, Youtube Videos & Skype..

Can you suggest now to best configure no. 2, 3 & 4 from Above as no. 1 is Fixed.

Sry missed the part with the stx, thought it was a typo.

2.: The 600p is a good price though I'd recommend the 256GB variant

3.: Dip the 7320, it is overpriced. Get the 7100

4.: i would go with any ram kit with 8GB, doesnt matter much. Get a dual channel kit, it pays off for the integrated graphics. As the board only  supports 2133 MHz, it will fulfil your needs

[PRATAP]

10 hours ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

Sry missed the part with the stx, thought it was a typo.

2.: The 600p is a good price though I'd recommend the 256GB variant

3.: Dip the 7320, it is overpriced. Get the 7100

4.: i would go with any ram kit with 8GB, doesnt matter much. Get a dual channel kit, it pays off for the integrated graphics. As the board only  supports 2133 MHz, it will fulfil your needs

 

Hi, Thanks for the Reply

i will go with 7100

 

* will there be any difference in performance if i use a single stick of 8GB RAM or 2 sticks of 4GB RAM's??

* can you please reply to my query in this post https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/742442-ram-speeds/

 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, PRATAP KUMAR PANABAKA said:

 

When we see the values "Number of Cores" & "Number of Threads"

 

2 Cores with 4 Threads

or

4 Cores with 2 Threads

 

Which is Fast??

Physical cores will pretty much always be faster than the same number of cores achieved through hyperthreading. Remember, hyperthreading uses unused CPU cycles to process a second thread of instructions while a second core has its own, dedicated CPU cycles.