Nintendo are Pirates ?!

[moderategamer]

Came across this video/story and found it amusing and ironic, the hypocracy is real.

 

 

[ARikozuM]

Oh, no! They took a ROM ripped straight off the cartridge and used it for sale?! The irony is sarcastic!

[JoostinOnline]

You can't pirate something you created.

[Syntaxvgm]

is it the rom or the emulator? the emulator, yah that's kinda mean, but the rom? That's theirs lol, doesn't matter who ripped it. 

[moderategamer]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Oh, no! They took a ROM ripped straight off the cartridge and used it for sale?! The irony is sarcastic!

I don't think you understand the story, Yes the rom was ripped off of their cartridge but it was then modified to allow for emulation a lot of the code was re written. Then when Nintendo decided to allow emulation on their console they simply downloaded the rom from the internet altered code included and called it their own this was probably done through laziness as they couldn't be bothered to do it themselves. I'd advise watching the video to get the irony.

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

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I understand the story as the news broke out a few weeks ago.

[JoostinOnline]

2 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

I don't think you understand the story, Yes the rom was ripped off of their cartridge but it was then modified to allow for emulation a lot of the code was re written. Then when Nintendo decided to allow emulation on their console they simply downloaded the rom from the internet altered code included and called it their own this was probably done through laziness as they couldn't be bothered to do it themselves. 

That's entirely speculation.

 

And again, their game is the only copyrighted part of the rom.

[skywake]

There's no hypocrisy or irony here. It's basically like if a band, with approval from their label, sold ripped copies of their albums on thumbdrives. If someone else did that? Then it's piracy. If it's done by the creators of the content? It's just them selling their content. Piracy is only piracy because the people who own the content aren't in control and aren't getting paid. If they are in full control of it and are getting paid then it's not piracy

[moderategamer]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

I understand the story as the news broke out a few weeks ago.

And you still don't think it's ironic that nintendo stated that emulation is hurting their franchise and then went on to borrow a rom from the creator of an emulator and making money off of it in the process basically cutting out the work they would have needed to do.

[moderategamer]

3 minutes ago, skywake said:

There's no hypocrisy or irony here. It's basically like if a band, with approval from their label, sold ripped copies of their albums on thumbdrives. If someone else did that? Then it's piracy. If it's done by the creators of the content? It's just them selling their content. Piracy is only piracy because the people who own the content aren't in control and aren't getting paid. If they are in full control of it and are getting paid then it's not piracy

It's nothing like that people that rip music don't need to alter code to allow for the product to be feesable for emulation the irony is that nintendo made a statement that piracy was hurting them and then used a pirated version of their rom with altered code to make their job easier and to make a profit.

[moderategamer]

7 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

That's entirely speculation.

 

And again, their game is the only copyrighted part of the rom.

It's not really speculation code doesn't lie so unless nintendo happened to magically write the exact same code as the original coder it's pretty much guarenteed that this was in fact a pirated version of their own game. I'm in no way saying that Nintendo don't have the right to do that as there was no copy right made on the altered code. 

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

And you still don't think it's ironic that nintendo stated that emulation is hurting their franchise and then went on to borrow a rom from the creator of an emulator and making money off of it in the process basically cutting out the work they would have needed to do.

The creator should make money of the ROM. The creator is Nintendo, not the person/group that dumped the ROM. If Nintendo sees their IP being infringed or illegally used and goes to collect it, they should be entitled to the progress as there are avenues for legal innovation. 

 

This isn't the first time that Nintendo had to emulate the code for SMB. They did it for the GBA and the Wii.

 

Imagine if you created a product and someone stole it from you and distributed it to millions of people. You will see none of the money except for those that do buy your product. They could have sought legal council to find the best approach to what they were doing, but instead they just took your work, changed very little, and gave it away (for free or fees).

 

I like emulation, don't get me wrong, (since the cartridges are very hard to come by in this age) and it's easier to carry my laptop with my SNES collection vs my actual SNES and case of ~30 games. The 3DS has made things much easier since the eShop has most of my Game Boy collection on there and I've been able to purchase nearly all the games I have physical copies of, but in one neat package.

[moderategamer]

8 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

The creator should make money of the ROM. The creator is Nintendo, not the person/group that dumped the ROM. If Nintendo sees their IP being infringed or illegally used and goes to collect it, they should be entitled to the progress as there are avenues for legal innovation. 

 

This isn't the first time that Nintendo had to emulate the code for SMB. They did it for the GBA and the Wii.

 

Imagine if you created a product and someone stole it from you and distributed it to millions of people. You will see none of the money except for those that do buy your product. They could have sought legal council to find the best approach to what they were doing, but instead they just took your work, changed very little, and gave it away (for free or fees).

 

I like emulation, don't get me wrong, (since the cartridges are very hard to come by in this age) and it's easier to carry my laptop with my SNES collection vs my actual SNES and case of ~30 games. The 3DS has made things much easier since the eShop has most of my Game Boy collection on there and I've been able to purchase nearly all the games I have physical copies of, but in one neat package.

I'm well aware of Nintedo's right to sell there own products and have no arguments with this I'm a big suppoorter of Nintedo I mean a basically have an almost complete collection of N64 cartriges and a healthy amount of NES and SNES cartriges I want Nintendo to make money but that's not the story which you don't seem to be getting. If you look at my reply to joostine you will see that I understand that nintendo has the full rights to their games and software but to reiterate that's not the story I really feel like you haven't watched the video. 

[skywake]

10 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

It's nothing like that people that rip music don't need to alter code to allow for the product to be feesable for emulation the irony is that nintendo made a statement that piracy was hurting them and then used a pirated version of their rom with altered code to make their job easier and to make a profit.

Well it's pretty much exactly like that because the end result is the same. Piracy is only piracy because it takes control away from the people who own the content to do with it what they want. Nintendo owns the game in question and are doing with it what they want. There's no hypocrisy here. You can argue that by Nintendo selling it they're profiting from someone elses work. But that other persons work was an unauthorised edit of code that Nintendo owned.

 

I'll put it another way. If Nintendo were to be even more blatant with the use of ROM edits? Even then there wouldn't be an issue. For example if they decided they wanted to sell the fan translation of Mother 3? I don't think anyone would have much of an issue with it. Certainly not the people who did the translation. As a passion project I think, it anything, they'd be pretty hyped just to see their work recognised. A credit at the end would be a nice courtesy but given Nintendo still owns the game? They wouldn't legally even have to do that I wouldn't think.

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

I'm well aware of Nintedo's right to sell there own products and have no arguments with this I'm a big suppoorter of Nintedo I mean a basically have an almost complete collection of N64 cartriges and a healthy amount of NES and SNES cartriges I want Nintendo to make money but that's not the story which you don't seem to be getting. If you look at my reply to joostine you will see that I understand that nintendo has the full rights to their games and software but to reitterate that's not the story I really feel like you haven't watched the video. 

There isn't enough evidence for me to say if Nintendo did or not. It's been about three weeks and no more info has been revealed. There are also hundreds of SMB ROMs on the internet, each with a similar format, so to say that one line matching is a definitive isn't so definitive.

 

I didn't watch his video (when I replied the first time) since this news was on The Know and another YouTuber's channel. 

[JoostinOnline]

23 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

It's not really speculation code doesn't lie so unless nintendo happened to magically write the exact same code as the original coder it's pretty much guarenteed that this was in fact a pirated version of their own game. I'm in no way saying that Nintendo don't have the right to do that as there was no copy right made on the altered code. 

You still don't understand what piracy is.  It simply can't be piracy because they are the creators.

 

Most likely, they used somebody else's tool to dump the ROM.

[moderategamer]

I'm done with this thread  it was just meant to be a funny story that was ironic point seems to have been missed peace. 

[moderategamer]

1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:

You still don't understand what piracy is.  It simply can't be piracy because they are the creators.

 

Most likely, they used somebody else's tool to dump the ROM.

You still don't understand the story and I'm well aware of what piracy is it was a joke meant to be taken lightly end of story and thread you can all go home now thanks for the rreplys.

[imreloadin]

1 hour ago, moderategamer said:

You still don't understand the story and I'm well aware of what piracy is it was a joke meant to be taken lightly end of story and thread you can all go home now thanks for the rreplys.

In my experience if you're the one trying to tell a bunch of people that they don't understand something then it's usually you that doesn't actually understand it...

[moderategamer]

8 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

In my experience if you're the one trying to tell a bunch of people that they don't understand something then it's usually you that doesn't actually understand it...

So you're telling me someone who studied Game design/ coding at a very good University has less of an understanding on a topic about coding than random people commenting that I'm going to hazzard a guess have little to no experience in coding for games and also didn't even bother to watch the video. Fair enough I see your point I submit. 

[imreloadin]

1 minute ago, moderategamer said:

So you're telling me someone who studied Game design/ coding at a very good University has less of an understanding on a topic about coding than random people commenting that I'm going to hazzard a guess have little to no experience in coding for games and also didn't even bother to watch the video. Fair enough I see your point I submit. 

Coding experience doesn't mean anything in this situation, it's a legal one really. By all means tell me who your received your law degree from though as I'm sure you have that as well

[moderategamer]

12 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

Coding experience doesn't mean anything in this situation, it's a legal one really. By all means tell me who your received your law degree from though as I'm sure you have that as well

Well if you must know a big part of my course was law specifically copyright law and once again you are missing the point of the topic but I'll do my best to clear it up again... I am in no way stating that Nintendo has broken the law or that they are not entitled to publish their own IP's I am simply saying it is ironic that after stating that piracy is a big deal for them and that they don't condone it they then go on to use a altered version of their rom that was edited by none other than the people they are publicly stating they don't condone. So to summarise piracy is bad, I'm not really saying nintendo are pirates it was a joke and the point was not about piracy if for the love of god you would just watch the video and understand the irony now can we leave this topic to rest now?

[imreloadin]

44 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

Well if you must know a big part of my course was law specifically copyright law and once again you are missing the point of the topic but I'll do my best to clear it up again... I am in no way stating that Nintendo has broken the law or that they are not entitled to publish their own IP's I am simply saying it is ironic that after stating that piracy is a big deal for them and that they don't condone it they then go on to use a altered version of their rom that was edited by none other than the people they are publicly stating they don't condone. So to summarise piracy is bad, I'm not really saying nintendo are pirates it was a joke and the point was not about piracy if for the love of god you would just watch the video and understand the irony now can we leave this topic to rest now?

Welcome to the internet, a place where nobody does what you want

[GoldSolitude]

LOL, Nintendo ripping a rom from the internet???  what is this. I would of thought they had some sort of game archive for this stuff! I found it pretty hilarious that they found code from a "unofficial emulator" in the rom.  

[skywake]

3 hours ago, moderategamer said:

I'm done with this thread  it was just meant to be a funny story that was ironic point seems to have been missed peace. 

If you have to explain the joke then it's not really a good joke. It's also not particularly good irony either because nobody is going to shut Nintendo down for this or anything. Piracy of Nintendo ROMs and Nintendo alledgedly using the pirated versions of their own roms are not really equivalent things.

 

Now if one of Nintendo's videos on youtube got a takedown notice for copyright violation? Now THAT would be funny.