For the love of god, just make a decision for me. i5-6600k or i5-7600k

[hkeatmy]

I just bought an Asus Pro Gaming Z170, and now kaby lake is out. In my area it is just USD 15 difference, so I don't mind at all. But which is the more logical choice god help me.

[Tedster]

2 minutes ago, hkeatmy said:

I just bought an Asus Pro Gaming Z170, and now kaby lake is out. In my area it is just USD 15 difference, so I don't mind at all. But which is the more logical choice god help me.

Your board probably currently doesn't have a BIOS revision that would support Kabylake. As such, to be safe, stick with Skylake. Unless you care about balls to the wall overclocking, you're probably not going to notice the difference.

[CFstorm]

6600K all the way yo. 7600K does not have much of an edge and is cheaper. 

[aries757]

16 hours ago, hkeatmy said:

I just bought an Asus Pro Gaming Z170, and now kaby lake is out. In my area it is just USD 15 difference, so I don't mind at all. But which is the more logical choice god help me.

i'd say 7600k

 

EDIT: but what do i know? im a retard.

[Nena Trinity]

i5-6600K

[xc3ll]

I would go with the 7600k. Seems to overclock better.

 

BUT: Not all Z170 boards are kaby lake compatible. And you might have to upgrade the bios, which can be a challenge without a supported cpu. So, if you can borrow a skylake chip, you should be fine, but if not, you might have to send your board to Asus to uprade it.

[itsmyjobtoknow]

There is little to no IPC gain between SkyLake and KabyLake, but there are some refinement done to KabyLake that allows it to overclock higher.

 

IMO, save the money and get 6600k since you won't be able to utilize the new feature from KabyLake on a z170 board...

[Morgan Everett]

5 minutes ago, hkeatmy said:

I just bought an Asus Pro Gaming Z170, and now kaby lake is out. In my area it is just USD 15 difference, so I don't mind at all. But which is the more logical choice god help me.

The 7600K, assuming your motherboard has the proper BIOS revision (it probably does).

[App4that]

37 minutes ago, itsmyjobtoknow said:

There is little to no IPC gain between SkyLake and KabyLake, but there are some refinement done to KabyLake that allows it to overclock higher.

 

IMO, save the money and get 6600k since you won't be able to utilize the new feature from KabyLake on a z170 board...

Stop.

 

That is like saying you should buy a Maxwell graphics card because at the same clock speed it's faster than Pascal. 

 

Kabylake overclocks much higher than Skylake. That means the IPC is improved. If the board supports Kabylake it's the obvious choice. 

[smokefest]

7600... 

I mean... would you get the Ford Focus 2017 or 2016 for the same price and same performance ?

If kaby lake is 10$ or 20$ more, go for it

[itsmyjobtoknow]

21 minutes ago, App4that said:

Stop.

 

That is like saying you should buy a Maxwell graphics card because at the same clock speed it's faster than Pascal. 

 

Kabylake overclocks much higher than Skylake. That means the IPC is improved. If the board supports Kabylake it's the obvious choice. 

 

Based on that logic...my 4.5GHz 3770k Ivy Bridge has the same IPC than my friend's stock 6700 Skylake, which is bullshit and not how IPC work. 

 

 

A overclocked CPU or GPU does not yield higher IPC at all, it just how fast the IPC are going. 

 

And I don't understand your statement of "Buy Maxwell because at the same clock, its faster than Pascal"

I've never said that Skylake is faster than Kabylake. I am just saying the IPC improvement does not exist. 

Furthermore, Pascal cores are stronger than Maxwell cores....and they are two completely different architecture while Skylake and Kabylake are very similar. 

[App4that]

5 minutes ago, itsmyjobtoknow said:

 

Based on that logic...my 4.5GHz 3770k Ivy Bridge has the same IPC than my friend's stock 6700 Skylake, which is bullshit and not how IPC work. 

 

 

A overclocked CPU or GPU does not yield higher IPC at all, it just how fast the IPC are going. 

 

And I don't understand your statement of "Buy Maxwell because at the same clock, its faster than Pascal"

I've never said that Skylake is faster than Kabylake. I am just saying the IPC improvement does not exist. 

Furthermore, Pascal cores are stronger than Maxwell cores....and they are two completely different architecture while Skylake and Kabylake are very similar. 

Actually, Maxwell cores are stronger. Just at a lower clock speed.

 

And you're basing your opinion on the IPC of Kabylake off what? Cinebench single core scores at the same clock speed as Skylake? Right?

[itsmyjobtoknow]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

Actually, Maxwell cores are stronger. Just at a lower clock speed.

 

And you're basing your opinion on the IPC of Kabylake off what? Cinebench single core scores at the same clock speed as Skylake? Right?

 

Yes, Single Core and Multi-Core, and what I see is minimal improvement. 

Is it worth 15 dollars just so you can overclock a little higher and have slightly better performance? I can't justify it unless Kabylake can easily overclock over the 5Ghz bound on air and not at high voltage. 

If Kabylake had a 5% improvement over Skylake, I might even say sure, spend an extra 15USD for it, but 15USD just for better overclocks? 

[App4that]

1 minute ago, itsmyjobtoknow said:

 

Yes, Single Core and Multi-Core, and what I see is minimal improvement. 

Is it worth 15 dollars just so you can overclock a little higher and have slightly better performance? I can't justify it unless Kabylake can easily overclock over the 5Ghz bound on air and not at high voltage. 

If Kabylake had a 5% improvement over Skylake, I might even say sure, spend an extra 15USD for it, but 15USD just for better overclocks? 

15 dollars is lunch. Even if they were the same you spend it for the features in case you get a z270 board down the road. But they're not the same, and Kabylake does go over 5GHz on air, usually only needing 1.32v.

 

 

[itsmyjobtoknow]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

15 dollars is lunch. Even if they were the same you spend it for the features in case you get a z270 board down the road. But they're not the same, and Kabylake does go over 5GHz on air, usually only needing 1.32v.

 

 

 

15USD is lunch for a day, and I personally would spend 15USD on food over a CPU that performs nearly identical to the predecessor clock for clock.  

And I said over the 5GHz bound but that is besides the point. OP already has a z170 board, which means he can't utilize the new features of Kabylake anyways.

 

If Op were to already have/planned to have a z270 board instead of a z170, yea go for the 7600K, the new features are worth the extra 15USD. 

 

But based on the current situation, a z170 platoform with a 7600K, 15USD just for higher clockspeed, IMO can't justify. 

Heck, if Op decided to get a z270 board down the road, that's spending another ~150USD or so just for new features

[XenosTech]

1 hour ago, hkeatmy said:

I just bought an Asus Pro Gaming Z170, and now kaby lake is out. In my area it is just USD 15 difference, so I don't mind at all. But which is the more logical choice god help me.

Just buy a 6700k... unlocked i5's are garbage in the long run

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, itsmyjobtoknow said:

 

15USD is lunch for a day, and I personally would spend 15USD on food over a CPU that performs nearly identical to the predecessor clock for clock.  

And I said over the 5GHz bound but that is besides the point. OP already has a z170 board, which means he can't utilize the new features of Kabylake anyways.

 

If Op were to already have/planned to have a z270 board instead of a z170, yea go for the 7600K, the new features are worth the extra 15USD. 

 

But based on the current situation, a z170 platoform with a 7600K, 15USD just for higher clockspeed, IMO can't justify. 

Heck, if Op decided to get a z270 board down the road, that's spending another ~150USD or so just for new features

How is a good 400mhz improvement in clock speed not worth 15 bucks? What if something happens to their z170 board, it's not made anymore. Either the manufacturer will replace it with a z270, or they will buy a z270.

 

There is absolutely no reason not to spend the 15 bucks. Because if 15 bucks is a make it or break it, and clock speed doesn't matter, why are you looking at a k skew?

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

How is a good 400mhz improvement in clock speed not worth 15 bucks? What if something happens to their z170 board, it's not made anymore. Either the manufacturer will replace it with a z270, or they will buy a z270.

 

There is absolutely no reason not to spend the 15 bucks. Because if 15 bucks is a make it or break it, and clock speed doesn't matter, why are you looking at a k skew?

If he has a z170 there's no point in buying kaby lake... not like he's gonna be able to anything with it other than OC since z170 doesn't support the additional features... Why pay an extra $15 for features you won't be able to use with your current set up

[hkeatmy]

The only point I see in spending the extra 15 bucks is higher OC speeds and the room for upgrades and the potential to resell it at a better price point in the future. Not worth the extra 15?

[itsmyjobtoknow]

14 minutes ago, App4that said:

How is a good 400mhz improvement in clock speed not worth 15 bucks? What if something happens to their z170 board, it's not made anymore. Either the manufacturer will replace it with a z270, or they will buy a z270.

 

There is absolutely no reason not to spend the 15 bucks. Because if 15 bucks is a make it or break it, and clock speed doesn't matter, why are you looking at a k skew?

Why spend an extra 15USD for an extra 400Mhz when I can achieve an extra 400Mhz myself? I mean it won't get to the 5Ghz mark, but the differences between 4.6Mhz on SkyLake and 5Ghz on Kabylake isn't a large gap in terms of performance. 

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, hkeatmy said:

The only point I see in spending the extra 15 bucks is higher OC speeds and the room for upgrades and the potential to resell it at a better price point in the future. Not worth the extra 15?

CPU's don't really devalue that much.... you could pretty much buy a 4970k for the same price you did 3 years ago

[App4that]

26 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

If he has a z170 there's no point in buying kaby lake... not like he's gonna be able to anything with it other than OC since z170 doesn't support the additional features... Why pay an extra $15 for features you won't be able to use with your current set up

 

15 minutes ago, itsmyjobtoknow said:

Why spend an extra 15USD for an extra 400Mhz when I can achieve an extra 400Mhz myself? I mean it won't get to the 5Ghz mark, but the differences between 4.6Mhz on SkyLake and 5Ghz on Kabylake isn't a large gap in terms of performance. 

You two are making this far more complicated than it needs to be. 

 

You spend the 15 bucks so that in a year if you want to or need to because of a failure of the motherboard you can move to z270 and have those features. And enjoy an extra 400mhz at least over where Skylake can overclock to.

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

 

You two are making this far more complicated than it needs to be. 

 

You spend the 15 bucks so that in a year if you want to or need to because of a failure of the motherboard you can move to z270 and have those features. And enjoy an extra 400mhz at least over where Skylake can overclock to.

You're the one making it complicated. How often does a motherboard fail ? I'd still rather keep that extra $15 for something than spend it on features I won't use.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

You're the one making it complicated. How often does a motherboard fail ? I'd still rather keep that extra $15 for something than spend it on features I won't use.

Actually,  it happens more than you'd think. And the RMA process isn't always worth it.

 

And even if they never buy a z270 motherboard,  they'll still overclock over any Skylake 6600k. The whole point of the Kabylake skew is overclocking. That's like paying 15 bucks extra to know your CPU will overclock well.

 

You have to see how silly you're being.

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Actually,  it happens more than you'd think. And the RMA process isn't always worth it.

 

And even if they never buy a z270 motherboard,  they'll still overclock over any Skylake 6600k. The whole point of the Kabylake skew is overclocking. That's like paying 15 bucks extra to know your CPU will overclock well.

 

You have to see how silly you're being.

OC doesn't provide much real world benefits... OC to 5 ghz to get 12 more fps and shorten the life span of my cpu... I don't even like unlocked i5's they are a waste betetr to get an unlocked i7 and oc that. Furthermore have you even watched any of the reviews of skylake vs kaby lake ? It's not worth the upgrade... Unless the OP is someone like @Lays who does Extreme OCing just because then he's better off with kaby lake otherwise just stick with skylake... No difference in IPC means it's not worth upgrading to if you have stuff for skylake