Can Ryzen truly triumph over Intel's recent gen cpus ?

[samiur]

the title expresses all 

what do u guys think  Ryzen looks promising and can it with it's upgraded IPC gain will make history ?

[Energycore]

I don't know, let's ask the 8-Ball

You give the black sphere a firm shake before staring into its window.

"Ask again later"

 

[themctipers]

i would say it has to beat atleast haswell, but i want around skylake  

[ARikozuM]

I think it will SURPASS the next-gen architecture AMD released before this one.

[mpsparrow]

Do these posts ever end? There is a search feature on these forums for a reason you know. Every time I have logged into the forums this week there is one of these posts. I ask you to just wait for the official specs to be released. I hope AMD will catch up to Intel and drive prices down, although we will only truly find out when people get to do proper benchmarks on them that are not "leaked this!" or "leaked that!!!".

[AshleyAshes]

It really can't be said. Hype is hype, weather it's from Intel or AMD, the only thing you can truly rely is objective benchmarks run after the release.  Despite all the AMD hype, no one's talked about actual prices and the prices are what REALLY matters.  If it has amazing thermals, amazing IPC and costs an arm and a leg, then it won't matter to most people.  On the other hand it could come up just a bit short against intel but be more affordable to produce, be cheaper, and give consumers a lot more bang for their buck.

 

But that's just conjecture.  Without -real- benchmarks executed by third parties and prices, it's a mystery.

[Glenwing]

11 minutes ago, samiur said:

the title expresses all 

what do u guys think  Ryzen looks promising and can it with it's upgraded IPC gain will make history ?

It should be roughly equivalent to Haswell, per core per GHz. So it won't match Skylake or Kaby Lake unless it's at a higher frequency (unlikely), but as long as it's close it can be competitive, the pricing just has to be tuned so that it undercuts intel. If it gets 90% the performance of Skylake for 15-20% less money, it will be compelling. And that won't be hard to do with the higher 6-8 core parts considering how much Intel charges for those, and considering they are still using Haswell/Broadwell architecture, so they don't have the slight IPC advantage that Skylake/Kaby Lake does.

 

5 minutes ago, mpsparrow said:

Do these posts ever end? There is a search feature on these forums for a reason you know. Every time I have logged into the forums this week there is one of these posts. I ask you to just wait for the official specs to be released. I hope AMD will catch up to Intel and drive prices down, although we will only truly find out when people get to do proper benchmarks on them that are not "leaked this!" or "leaked that!!!".

It's a different person asking each time so it won't do much good to complain about it.

[samiur]

2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

It really can't be said. Hype is hype, weather it's from Intel or AMD, the only thing you can truly rely is objective benchmarks run after the release.  Despite all the AMD hype, no one's talked about actual prices and the prices are what REALLY matters.  If it has amazing thermals, amazing IPC and costs an arm and a leg, then it won't matter to most people.  On the other hand it could come up just a bit short against intel but be more affordable to produce, be cheaper, and give consumers a lot more bang for their buck.

 

But that's just conjecture.  Without -real- benchmarks executed by third parties and prices, it's a mystery.

yes it is quite hard to anticipate at this early stage

[AshleyAshes]

1 minute ago, samiur said:

yes it is quite hard to anticipate at this early stage

There will always be new tech around the corner.  If you go nuts waiting on this one, you won't last long

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

From what we know so far, the 8-core Zen chip is trading blows with the 5960X at stock speed.  That's okay, but Intel is known for overclocking like crazy and we don't know how the Zen CPUs overclock. 

Intel's CPUs are also slowly improving year after year, something that remains to be seen with AMD (with Jim Keller being gone already and all that). 

[Notional]

Ryzen will be properly competitive. I doubt it will beat Intel on IPC, but then again, there's hardly any difference between Broadwell and any "newer" arch anyways. I think AMD will destroy I3 by only having quad core, and I5 by only having quad/hexa core CPU's with hyperthreading. Lower end I7's will suffer from hexa/octo core Zen's with hyperthreading. Only the highest end I7's on even more expensive X99 boards will hold a crown, but be priced out of the market anyways. Intel will either be forced to slice prices a lot or lose market share, but I think the latter is inevitable. 

[phongle123]

14 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

From what we know so far, the 8-core Zen chip is trading blows with the 5960X at stock speed.  That's okay, but Intel is known for overclocking like crazy and we don't know how the Zen CPUs overclock. 

Intel's CPUs are also slowly improving year after year, something that remains to be seen with AMD (with Jim Keller being gone already and all that). 

I hope it does! So we can get some competition in the high end cpu market and get some lower prices. Remember AMD also stated that 2xRX480 beats a 1080 but I've set to see any benchmark that proves so.

[1234vietnam]

intel will probably just lower their prices.