South Carolina law would force Anti-Porn filter on new PCs; $20 to remove

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Some rich politician doesn't know how the internet works but wants to cash in.

This, so many problems because of this.

 

We seriously need an age limit and education requirements on public servants (which is what "politicians" are supposed to be).

 

Also, some sort of morality test would be nice.

[AlTech]

To be fair, with the amount of underage sex and teenage sex in the US, I agree with some of the principals of restricting access to porn.

 

But I think the way they're going about this is wrong.

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, imPixelTV said:

what about macs and businesses? most businesses dont have the funding/time to get windows 10 and if KL is 10 only apple would have to go back to ppc or switch to amd

As in it'll not work on previous Windows. KabyLake will still work on macOS just fine.

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

To be fair, with the amount of underage sex and teenage sex in the US, I agree with some of the principals of restricting access to porn.

 

But I think the way they're going about this is wrong.

Nothing we attempt will make a dent. Unless you want to start injecting teens with anti-libido drugs.

 

Best we can do is get them to wrap it up, and not rape one another.

[Wolther]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

 

But I think the way they're going about this is wrong.

 

Going about it.. Very wrongly. Education on the subject will help way more than trying to block it the long way around and fighting with censorship. 

[imPixelTV]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

As in it'll not work on previous Windows. KabyLake will still work on macOS just fine.

still would be a bad move. a lot of businesses cant afford/be bothered to get 10 due to the learning curve and time to install the os itself. a good chunk of my software still doesnt work with 10, so i imagine itd be worse for businesses (especially small businesses)

[Trik'Stari]

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

As in it'll not work on previous Windows. KabyLake will still work on macOS just fine.

This is not 100% guaranteed. It simply MAY not work on previous versions of Windows, AFAIK they simply "won't support it". Might still work and be buggy as fuck.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, imPixelTV said:

still would be a bad move. a lot of businesses cant afford/be bothered to get 10 due to the learning curve and time to install the os itself. a good chunk of my software still doesnt work with 10, so i imagine itd be worse for businesses (especially small businesses)

I'm hoping this, because I have an enterprise version of 7 I'm waiting to use.

 

The in-house software we use at my work doesn't work on 10 (lost half a day to sneaky update that re-installed the automatic "upgrade" to our server), and our network admin is fighting updating it to do so because he (like me) believes Windows 10 is one giant security flaw.

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm hoping this, because I have an enterprise version of 7 I'm waiting to use.

 

The in-house software we use at my work doesn't work on 10 (lost half a day to sneaky update that re-installed the automatic "upgrade" to our server), and our network admin is fighting updating it to do so because he (like me) believes Windows 10 is one giant security flaw.

kk. Just don't expect to upgrade your CPUs in your PCs anytime soon then.

[imPixelTV]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm hoping this, because I have an enterprise version of 7 I'm waiting to use.

 

The in-house software we use at my work doesn't work on 10 (lost half a day to sneaky update that re-installed the automatic "upgrade" to our server), and our network admin is fighting updating it to do so because he (like me) believes Windows 10 is one giant security flaw.

i'm staying on 7 for as long as possible and my school will do the same. why would i want microshit selling my data and why would i want a windows 98-esque start menu when i'm used to the 7 start menu. most of my games dont work on 10 either

[Trik'Stari]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

kk. Just don't expect to upgrade your CPUs in your PCs anytime soon then.

Or I can just upgrade, try it, and if it doesn't work use Linux instead, and just run a VM of 10 locked down the way it needs to be.

 

Because I don't care, and I'm not going to let M$ profit off of selling my data to 3rd parties if I can help it. I'd avoid google if I could but that's simply not possible for a variety of reasons.

 

Just now, imPixelTV said:

i'm staying on 7 for as long as possible and my school will do the same. why would i want microshit selling my data and why would i want a windows 98-esque start menu when i'm used to the 7 start menu. most of my games dont work on 10 either

Don't forget the huge security risk that is forced automatic updates and cumulative updates.

[imPixelTV]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

Or I can just upgrade, try it, and if it doesn't work use Linux instead, and just run a VM of 10 locked down the way it needs to be.

 

Because I don't care, and I'm not going to let M$ profit off of selling my data to 3rd parties if I can help it. I'd avoid google if I could but that's simply not possible for a variety of reasons.

 

Don't forget the huge security risk that is forced automatic updates and cumulative updates.

in the past, if an update fucked your pc up you wouldnt install it. now, even on 7 they come in update packs and they install themselves when youre not using your pc, so this will result in lost work and a potentially bricked pc

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, imPixelTV said:

in the past, if an update fucked your pc up you wouldnt install it. now, even on 7 they come in update packs and they install themselves when youre not using your pc, so this will result in lost work and a potentially bricked pc

Indeed.

 

M$ is literally just urging the enterprise community to move further away from them, towards Linux. Which is funny because Linux/Unix already own enterprise anyways (at least the back bones).

[imPixelTV]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

Indeed.

 

M$ is literally just urging the enterprise community to move further away from them, towards Linux. Which is funny because Linux/Unix already own enterprise anyways (at least the back bones).

i dont know what type of crack the guys at microsoft have been smoking since 2012, but theyre practically killing themselves. i installed linux yesterday just so i can get used to it and ready for the move to linux in 2020

[Okjoek]

27 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'd prefer a medium, like socially responsible capitalism (or true capitalism. Which did exist, then people freaked when the great depression happened, which is EXACTLY WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, and decided to pervert capitalism into corporatism. Which is what we have today)

 

Oh and the "communism has never existed" argument is getting old. It has existed, in the only form that it can actually ever exist because that's how absolute power works and what absolute power results in.

 

No one gives a fuck if it's 100% accurate to the theory, because what actually happens is what fucking matters. Namely, famine, war, a police state where you can't even make a joke without spending 20 years in a salt mine or having your brains beaten in with the butt of a kalishnakov...

If that's what you call communism then I guess yeah, it existed then.

 

As for your claim that the great depression is "SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN" and the government is supposed to do nothing about it is a terrible concept IMO. I refuse to believe that a society shouldn't be judged on how it treats its poor.

 

You mention a police state and I find it kind of ironic that the police are militarized and used as tools by corporations in our country to push through their projects like the recent DAPL and supress/lock up the lower class in for-profit private prisons. And war? That's something the US is pretty good at exporting and capitalizing on too.

 

To me the words "responsible capitalism" never belong together because capitalism is a system that promotes the exploitation of others and promotes the ideology of the cancer cell. Growth for growth's sake.

[Bleedingyamato]

21 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Unless a hardware based solution looks for watermarks, I fail to see how one could be implemented without negatively impacting performance (that is, if such a block targets all content including locally stored content). Of course, it is Doubtful that politicians consider feasibility of controlling an open platform as the PC. 

It seems to me like they want to wave their magic wands and suddenly the perfect solution to their "problem" will appear before them regardless of if it is actually possible.  lol

 

 

 

[Memories4K]

2 hours ago, Ryujin2003 said:

I haven't read all of yhe responses.... but it is the 21st century, and I have ways of stopping access to porn from underage children. It's called Parenting. Learn how to use a damned router and filter out content to given Mac addresses. Set up access times. Don't let your children on without supervision. I don't know now exactly what these politicians are looking for. All of the required technologies already exists in these households. Parents have to become educated and use it.

Like MAC address filtering is gonna stop the almost limitless amount of websites and content available
 

2 hours ago, Ryujin2003 said:

How exactly would you do this artificial insemination without using the Devil's toys to extract male reproductive cells?

I was being facetious

1 hour ago, Okjoek said:

Communism doesn't exist, never has. 

 

Socialism however is real. It might not be pretty, but if you really want laissez faire "hands off" capitalism than expect it to constantly end with something like all the oligarchs and plutocrats getting their heads chopped off.

Oh my bad, see all those communist nations weren't really communist or had anything to do with communism.

That must've just been: S O F T - S O C I A L J U S T I C E

No but let's be real, mixed-economy's the way to go.

[Memories4K]

2 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

This, so many problems because of this.

 

We seriously need an age limit and education requirements on public servants (which is what "politicians" are supposed to be).

 

Also, some sort of morality test would be nice.

What would you actually propose?
What age?
What education?
I can't abide by any morality test, morality is subjective and religion will play into that fairly strongly.

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

To be fair, with the amount of underage sex and teenage sex in the US, I agree with some of the principals of restricting access to porn.

 

But I think the way they're going about this is wrong.

How would you go about it exactly?
Hormonal therapy to reduce the sex drive in young adults and underage teens?

I don't think you can control it without infringing on the rights of others or building some kind of resentment that will ultimately lead to extreme distrust due to lack of empathy.

2 hours ago, Okjoek said:

You mention a police state and I find it kind of ironic that the police are militarized and used as tools by corporations in our country to push through their projects like the recent DAPL and supress/lock up the lower class in for-profit private prisons. And war? That's something the US is pretty good at exporting and capitalizing on too.

 

To me the words "responsible capitalism" never belong together because capitalism is a system that promotes the exploitation of others and promotes the ideology of the cancer cell. Growth for growth's sake.

That's great but it doesn't make your system anymore justifiable.

 

Explain a system that wouldn't restrict freedom and wouldn't exploit the "poor" (whatever definition that is to you)

 

Because as far as history is concerned, the poor have done much better under a government that embraced some capitalistic values than otherwise.

Judging a society by how it treats is poor is asking the wrong question and hoping to get the right answer.

[Okjoek]

Actually looking back I feel my comments thus far have derailed from the original topic so I do apologize. I just think as long as people aren't watching stuff that's y'know illegal (underage etc) than people should be able to get off to whatever they want on their PC. I'd much rather have people doing that than the plethora of other dangerous sex related activities that can have worse consequences especially for younger or poorer people. 

 

And that's probably all I have to say about this.

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

2 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

We seriously need an age limit and education requirements on public servants (which is what "politicians" are supposed to be).

 

Also, some sort of morality test would be nice.

The devil in this plan is, who gets to decide the age, and whose ever-changing, objective morality do we use?  If we let the current corrupt politicians do it, that will amount to jack-all, because they'll vote to serve themselves.

[patrickjp93]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Nope. Afaik, KabyLake is supposed to be Windows 10 only.

Correct.

Some rich politician doesn't know how the internet works but wants to cash in.

Wrong. You can run Win 7 and 8/8.1 on Kaby Lake. You can't make a future chip on the same ISA incompatible with an OS unless you hard-code the OS to crash/not boot based on the CPU generation.

 

Reason? All the old instruction sets are still there.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, Memories4K said:

What would you actually propose?
What age?
What education?
I can't abide by any morality test, morality is subjective and religion will play into that fairly strongly.

How would you go about it exactly?
Hormonal therapy to reduce the sex drive in young adults and underage teens?

I don't think you can control it without infringing on the rights of others or building some kind of resentment that will ultimately lead to extreme distrust due to lack of empathy.

That's great but it doesn't make your system anymore justifiable.

 

Explain a system that wouldn't restrict freedom and wouldn't exploit the "poor" (whatever definition that is to you)

 

Because as far as history is concerned, the poor have done much better under a government that embraced some capitalistic values than otherwise.

Judging a society by how it treats is poor is asking the wrong question and hoping to get the right answer.

China ubiquitously proves you wrong. It's still a fully communist economy and has lifted more out of poverty than the entire western capitalist model across North America and Europe.

[Memories4K]

30 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

China ubiquitously proves you wrong. It's still a fully communist economy and has lifted more out of poverty than the entire western capitalist model across North America and Europe.

 

50-80 million Chinese people say i'm ubiquitously correct and you memed yourself.

[PCgamer324]

6 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

This, so many problems because of this.

 

We seriously need an age limit and education requirements on public servants (which is what "politicians" are supposed to be).

 

Also, some sort of morality test would be nice.

education requirement primarily; too many dense fuckers in congress (just look at crypto discussions like these: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/21/encryption_vital_to_us_interests/)

[Yamoto42]

I am not a communist, but I do believe all manners of thinking, even ones I disagree with, are worth understanding.

13 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Oh and the "communism has never existed" argument is getting old. It has existed, in the only form that it can actually ever exist because that's how absolute power works and what absolute power results in.

Or according to Engles:

 

 "State-ownership does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces. [...] State-ownership of the productive forces is not the solution of the conflict, but concealed within it are the technical conditions that form the elements of that solution."

Or more specifically, that nationalization (state ownership and management) is still capitalism, just by the state and not the people.

We have had state-capitalism, but not Communism as originally set forth, because the last step (that of the government dissolving) has never happened.  Just because you call the USSR Communist (or it claims to be) doesn't make it communist.  If that were the case, I can call you a communist and thereby make it true.  You do seem pretty keen on democracy, which is actually by definition a socialist idea as it is the destruction of the bourgeois state...Or to use one of Mises's tactics; I really would like to meet this Mr. Consumer which you claim is going to be making all the economic decisions for us.  Maybe you could introduce me to him sometime?

But facts don't work like that.  I can call the clear daytime sky green all I want, but that in no way affects how blue it is.  Calling a Terrorist a Muslim does not make them a  Muslim.  Calling Obama a Muslim doesn't make him one.  Him or Trump claiming to be a Christian doesn't make either of them so.

Words can convey facts, but the ONLY time they create facts is when the fact is that someone used words.