How have these guys not been caught?

[Brennan Price]

I was looking through eBay to see what I could sell my Q6600 system for and then I came across this...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPER-FAST-GAMING-COMPUTER-PC-Q6600-2-40GHz-4GB-RAM-500GB-WINDOWS-10-/231847887742?hash=item35fb36037e:g:fkYAAOSwezVWw6FJ

 

How has no-one noticed this and has anyone actually bought one? Seems rediculously overpriced by miles when you look at the specs 

[Guest]

Not that shit tbh. 

Well yeah

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($245.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Intel DQ45EK Mini ITX LGA775 Motherboard  ($108.20 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Wintec Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR2-800 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($37.73 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GT 710 1GB PCIE x1 Video Card  ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Apex MI-008 Mini ITX Tower Case w/250W Power Supply  ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($90.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $671.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 12:03 EST-0500

[JHY]

Pretty sure this seller has no conscience.

[Brennan Price]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Not that shit tbh. 

Well yeah

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($245.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Intel DQ45EK Mini ITX LGA775 Motherboard  ($108.20 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Wintec Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR2-800 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($37.73 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GT 710 1GB PCIE x1 Video Card  ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Apex MI-008 Mini ITX Tower Case w/250W Power Supply  ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($90.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $671.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 12:03 EST-0500

Thats not the point im making, have you looked at the price?

[maybethisnamewillwork]

Feels like it's 2007 again...

[Apollo Refugio]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Not that shit tbh. 

Well yeah

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($245.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Intel DQ45EK Mini ITX LGA775 Motherboard  ($108.20 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Wintec Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR2-800 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($37.73 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GT 710 1GB PCIE x1 Video Card  ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Apex MI-008 Mini ITX Tower Case w/250W Power Supply  ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($90.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $671.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 12:03 EST-0500

the price tho

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Brennan_Price said:

Thats not the point im making, have you looked at the price?

I know it costs 1000 pounds. Because the !6600 is not for sell in UK lol

[Brennan Price]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

I know it costs 1000 pounds. Because the !6600 is not for sell in UK lol

Yes it is. I live in the UK mate and I own a Q6600 myself... what is your point here? Are you the seller by any chance haha 

[JHY]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

I know it costs 1000 pounds. Because the !6600 is not for sell in UK lol

Because people can buy new skylake or haswell cpu.

[Guest]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£215.99 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£64.25 @ CCL Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£87.58 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£81.59 @ BT Shop) 
Storage: Patriot Torch LE 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£40.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£42.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GameRock Video Card  (£381.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (£23.04 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£51.60 @ CCL Computers) 
Total: £990.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 17:09 GMT+0000

 

 

There. Overpriced. Done

[Brennan Price]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£215.99 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£64.25 @ CCL Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£87.58 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£112.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£42.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GameRock Video Card  (£381.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (£23.04 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£51.60 @ CCL Computers) 
Total: £980.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 17:07 GMT+0000

 

There. Overpriced. Done

Seriously, what is your point that you are making?

[JHY]

 

4 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

There. Overpriced. Done

?

[JHY]

6 of idiots bought this(sad*)

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Brennan_Price said:

Seriously, what is your point that you are making?

PRoving your point?

[XDroidie626]

10 minutes ago, Brennan_Price said:

I was looking through eBay to see what I could sell my Q6600 system for and then I came across this...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPER-FAST-GAMING-COMPUTER-PC-Q6600-2-40GHz-4GB-RAM-500GB-WINDOWS-10-/231847887742?hash=item35fb36037e:g:fkYAAOSwezVWw6FJ

 

How has no-one noticed this and has anyone actually bought one? Seems rediculously overpriced by miles when you look at the specs 

Purchasing a system like this is entirely between the customer and the seller, if the customer wants to buy it at that price let them, no matter how criminal it is (Well it isn't but for us it is.)

Also they are not lying when they say its a "Gaming PC" it can play solitaire so technically it is a gaming PC even though consoles can likely wreck this thing.

 

[Brennan Price]

4 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

PRoving your point?

Yeah but there is no way that you have proved my point? All you did was build a much better system for about the same price... proving my point instead that the system I found is overpriced. I hope that makes sense. basically, you have just proved my point and not yours.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£215.99 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£64.25 @ CCL Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£87.58 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£81.59 @ BT Shop) 
Storage: Patriot Torch LE 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£40.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£42.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GameRock Video Card  (£381.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (£23.04 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£51.60 @ CCL Computers) 
Total: £990.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-17 17:09 GMT+0000

 

 

There. Overpriced. Done

£999.99*

[Guest]

Now that I review that page... It's a pretty convincing arguement.

" A Plentiful 4GB RAM means you can run multiple applications at the same time with no slow-down! "

What a Bargin! My computer has FOUR GB RAM! Only for less than 1,000 GBP! 
Woah! These guys need a wacky wavy inflatable arm man. 

" 500GB Hard Drive is capable of storing Massive amounts of songs, photos, and videos! "

 

" NEW 1GB Nvidia Gforce Palit G710 GRAPHIC CARD
With this 1GB HDMI Graphic Card You are able to play games (check games minimum specs) and watch HD Videos Without any problems! "

Woah. Gee wizz. Without any problems! What a bargin! This is the best computer ever! It has a quarter the amount of memory the rest of the PC has. This is amazing!!!

[Brennan Price]

2 minutes ago, fpo said:

Now that I review that page... It's a pretty convincing arguement.

" A Plentiful 4GB RAM means you can run multiple applications at the same time with no slow-down! "

What a Bargin! My computer has FOUR GB RAM! Only for less than 1,000 GBP! 
Woah! These guys need a wacky wavy inflatable arm man. 

" 500GB Hard Drive is capable of storing Massive amounts of songs, photos, and videos! "

 

" NEW 1GB Nvidia Gforce Palit G710 GRAPHIC CARD
With this 1GB HDMI Graphic Card You are able to play games (check games minimum specs) and watch HD Videos Without any problems! "

Woah. Gee wizz. Without any problems! What a bargin! This is the best computer ever! It has a quarter the amount of memory the rest of the PC has. This is amazing!!!

You have just made my day hahaha 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Brennan_Price said:

You have just made my day hahaha 

If you didn't already.. Read it in Dr. Zoidberg's voice. 

[Brennan Price]

Just now, fpo said:

If you didn't already.. Read it in Dr. Zoidberg's voice. 

Hahahahaha, I didn't but now I'm in tears hahaha 

[aisle9]

Let's walk through these claims one by one and separate the BS from the slightly true:

 

Quote

SUPER FAST GAMING COMPUTER PC INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 4GB RAM 500GB WINDOWS 10

This is ex-corporate equipment which has been removed from a fully working environment and refurbished by our engineers, tested to be working perfectly. The PC is sold in perfect working condition. Please read below for cosmetic condition details.
 

"Super fast" is a term not quantifiable without comparisons, which the seller doesn't provide. Here in the US, this might be considered a UDAAP violation if it came from a major retailer--look it up if you care to--but for eBay purposes, nothing he says in this bullet is quantifiably untrue, assuming everything is actually cleaned up and works.

 

Quote

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Fast Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.40GHz, make its easy to watch videos In HD, browse the internet and use Word processing programs!

Well, I wouldn't call it "fast" (unless you OC/BSEL mod it, and even then, IPC bro), but you can watch HD videos, browse the net and run word at the same time. I mean, it's a quad, and it's still a really good general purpose CPU today that, I'd bet, would outperform the G4400 in a lot of ways. It certainly bests the G3258 when the C2Q is OC'd, but it costs 35-50% of what a G3258 costs. There's really nothing wrong with this claim.

 

Quote

4x1GB DDR2 RAM = 4GB Ram
A Plentiful 4GB RAM means you can run multiple applications at the same time with no slow-down!

Technically, yes, this is true. With 4GB of RAM, you can do a lot of things at once. Modern AAA gaming isn't one of them, but you can run loads of lightweight programs like Office alternatives, GIMP, a tab or two of Chrome and a media player all at the same time without issue. Again, I've got my "new" Optiplex 760 reclamation project doing this all the time.

 

Quote

500GB Hard Drive
This 500GB Hard Drive is capable of storing Massive amounts of songs, photos, and videos!

.jpg, MP3-128 and low-res .wmv files, check.

 

Quote

Genuine Microsoft Windows 7 COA
UPGRADED TO WINDOWS 10
Also installed is Open Office (Microsoft Office compatible), Firefox and AVG (Anti-Virus), so the machine is fully loaded and ready to run!

Ok, saying you can do tons of stuff at the same time on Windows 10 with 4GB of DDR2 trips my "straight-up BS" meter for the first time. My reclamation project has 6GB, and it even struggles at times with Windows 10. W10 will easily eat up 2GB by itself, then figure in another 512MB-1GB for background processes and you don't have much room to work with.

 

That said, this particular bullet makes no claim about performance, just stating what's installed. "Ready to run" is a relative term, and for the average CPU user, I'd say those three programs alone do make it "ready to run". The mention of a Windows 7 COA suggests that you can step back to 7 if 10 isn't working out, and if we're being honest here, computers with Windows 7 installed are much harder to sell to everyday people with limited computer knowledge than Windows 10 plug-and-play boxes are. While this box is the most questionable yet because of what was said before it, it's not by itself a quantifiably untrue claim.

 

Quote

NEW 1GB Nvidia Gforce Palit G710 GRAPHIC CARD
With this 1GB HDMI Graphic Card You are able to play games (check games minimum specs) and watch HD Videos Without any problems!

So here's the deal: this is the tab that really pisses me off. Why does it piss me off? Because it's 100% true. A GT 710 can absolutely watch 1080p60 full HD videos with no problem. A GT 710 absolutely can "play games" without any problem--provided you check the game's minimum specs and ensure that an unpowered GPU covered in shit can handle them. Want to play Tomb Raider (no, the original one) at 480p medium settings? Sure, this GPU can push 60 FPS all day! Browser minigames your thing? Hey, you're golden. You could probably get at least 475 FPS on CS:GO with it. There is absolutely nothing untrue about this claim. There's really nothing deceptive about it, given that instruction to check game requirements. If you play a low-end game at low-res, you won't have problems. Palit makes excellent GPUs, and brand new GT 710 cards are not hard to find.

 

Quote

Wifi Adapter Installed
Connect the Wifi adapter to your Wifi Router and start browsing the internet.  

Well, duh.

 

So there you have it. There's really nothing dishonest in this entire ad. That's not to defend the seller. The PC is about 500-700% more expensive than the should be, the ad is intellectually dishonest, and their response to questions like "Can this play GTA V?" might push them firmly into the dishonest column, but it is a cautionary tale. If you buy the PC and find after the fact that it's shit, then open a claim, the seller can and will point out that nothing they said is untrue, the price was agreed upon by the buyer as fair before the purchase was made, and that the buyer was advised in writing to check game requirements and given accurate specs that they should have used to ensure the PC was appropriate for them. The seller gets their PC back at the buyer's expense, the buyer's negative feedback is removed and they can turn around and resell it with no skin off their back.

 

The warranty says a lot in this situation. The seller knows they're full of shit, hence the 7-day return policy. There's a good chance that a buyer wouldn't even have an opportunity to sit down and boot up Witcher 3 for a week after buying the PC. And the whole "once the item is checked by our staff" thing? First off, their "staff" is probably one guy. Second, even if you didn't take the PC out of the box before returning it, I bet they have a spare lying around that they can show in pictures was "damaged" by the buyer, who is now lying to get their money back because they broke their new PC, right?

 

Is the seller lying in any way in this ad? No. They use general vague terms and throw disclaimers out there that no one will pay attention to. Their PC is hilariously overpriced for the Dell or HP workstation that it was until a couple weeks ago, which they slapped cases that cost all of $10 each in bulk and crappy FSP PSUs onto, and are now selling for probably 7 times what they paid. Thing is, any item is worth what two people agree it's worth, and saying, "I want my money back because I paid too much for a PC that isn't suited for my specific needs," probably isn't a fight that the buyer would win.

Caveat emptor, no doubt.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, aisle9 said:

Let's walk through these claims one by one and separate the BS from the slightly true:

 

"Super fast" is a term not quantifiable without comparisons, which the seller doesn't provide. Here in the US, this might be considered a UDAAP violation if it came from a major retailer--look it up if you care to--but for eBay purposes, nothing he says in this bullet is quantifiably untrue, assuming everything is actually cleaned up and works.

 

Well, I wouldn't call it "fast" (unless you OC/BSEL mod it, and even then, IPC bro), but you can watch HD videos, browse the net and run word at the same time. I mean, it's a quad, and it's still a really good general purpose CPU today that, I'd bet, would outperform the G4400 in a lot of ways. It certainly bests the G3258 when the C2Q is OC'd, but it costs 35-50% of what a G3258 costs. There's really nothing wrong with this claim.

 

Technically, yes, this is true. With 4GB of RAM, you can do a lot of things at once. Modern AAA gaming isn't one of them, but you can run loads of lightweight programs like Office alternatives, GIMP, a tab or two of Chrome and a media player all at the same time without issue. Again, I've got my "new" Optiplex 760 reclamation project doing this all the time.

 

.jpg, MP3-128 and low-res .wmv files, check.

 

Ok, saying you can do tons of stuff at the same time on Windows 10 with 4GB of DDR2 trips my "straight-up BS" meter for the first time. My reclamation project has 6GB, and it even struggles at times with Windows 10. W10 will easily eat up 2GB by itself, then figure in another 512MB-1GB for background processes and you don't have much room to work with.

 

That said, this particular bullet makes no claim about performance, just stating what's installed. "Ready to run" is a relative term, and for the average CPU user, I'd say those three programs alone do make it "ready to run". The mention of a Windows 7 COA suggests that you can step back to 7 if 10 isn't working out, and if we're being honest here, computers with Windows 7 installed are much harder to sell to everyday people with limited computer knowledge than Windows 10 plug-and-play boxes are. While this box is the most questionable yet because of what was said before it, it's not by itself a quantifiably untrue claim.

 

So here's the deal: this is the tab that really pisses me off. Why does it piss me off? Because it's 100% true. A GT 710 can absolutely watch 1080p60 full HD videos with no problem. A GT 710 absolutely can "play games" without any problem--provided you check the game's minimum specs and ensure that an unpowered GPU covered in shit can handle them. Want to play Tomb Raider (no, the original one) at 480p medium settings? Sure, this GPU can push 60 FPS all day! Browser minigames your thing? Hey, you're golden. You could probably get at least 475 FPS on CS:GO with it. There is absolutely nothing untrue about this claim. There's really nothing deceptive about it, given that instruction to check game requirements. If you play a low-end game at low-res, you won't have problems. Palit makes excellent GPUs, and brand new GT 710 cards are not hard to find.

 

Well, duh.

 

So there you have it. There's really nothing dishonest in this entire ad. That's not to defend the seller. The PC is about 500-700% more expensive than the should be, the ad is intellectually dishonest, and their response to questions like "Can this play GTA V?" might push them firmly into the dishonest column, but it is a cautionary tale. If you buy the PC and find after the fact that it's shit, then open a claim, the seller can and will point out that nothing they said is untrue, the price was agreed upon by the buyer as fair before the purchase was made, and that the buyer was advised in writing to check game requirements and given accurate specs that they should have used to ensure the PC was appropriate for them. The seller gets their PC back at the buyer's expense, the buyer's negative feedback is removed and they can turn around and resell it with no skin off their back.

 

The warranty says a lot in this situation. The seller knows they're full of shit, hence the 7-day return policy. There's a good chance that a buyer wouldn't even have an opportunity to sit down and boot up Witcher 3 for a week after buying the PC. And the whole "once the item is checked by our staff" thing? First off, their "staff" is probably one guy. Second, even if you didn't take the PC out of the box before returning it, I bet they have a spare lying around that they can show in pictures was "damaged" by the buyer, who is now lying to get their money back because they broke their new PC, right?

 

Is the seller lying in any way in this ad? No. They use general vague terms and throw disclaimers out there that no one will pay attention to. Their PC is hilariously overpriced for the Dell or HP workstation that it was until a couple weeks ago, which they slapped cases that cost all of $10 each in bulk and crappy FSP PSUs onto, and are now selling for probably 7 times what they paid. Thing is, any item is worth what two people agree it's worth, and saying, "I want my money back because I paid too much for a PC that isn't suited for my specific needs," probably isn't a fight that the buyer would win.

Caveat emptor, no doubt.

Did you just analyze a ... fake claim?

[aisle9]

3 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Did you just analyze a ... fake claim?

It's not really fake. That's the point. My post is something of an explanation of how a seller can say that and not get shut down, and why it's important to carefully read listings and scrutinize what you buy. Remember when people were selling pictures of PS4 consoles for the price of a PS4?

[Lurick]

Same computer, same seller:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPER-FAST-GAMING-COMPUTER-PC-INTEL-CORE-2-QUAD-Q6600-4GB-RAM-500GB-WINDOWS-10/231846727751

 

$700 cheaper, lol

 

1 hour ago, PCNoobie said:

6 of idiots bought this(sad*)

 

 

Click on the 6 sold and see most people paid less than $200 for it, lol.