Your thoughts on BLM?

[deleted_member_030719]

Note: I couldn't find any thread relating directly to how people felt about BlackLivesMatter as the main topic.

 

Disclaimer: I do not have anything against black, asian, or other races. I simply do not agree with the actions of BlackLivesMatter, especially when their words say another thing; if you're smart you'll understand what I am trying to say here.

 

What is your personal opinion of BlackLivesMatter?

My personal opinion of BlackLivesMatter is that it's an organization that commits crime under the name of equality for black people. They say they want equality, but what they really want is special treatment. They have completely retarded demands that I don't want to argue with right now, they're just so stupid and pretend like black people should be above the law. They want money for slavery that happened more than two lifetimes ago, and don't realize that white people fought a civil war in their own country to free them from slavery. They also don't realize that they have it good, especially compared to how their ancestors/brothers/sisters/whateverYouWantHere lives are in other countries such as Africa. 

 

Disclaimer/Edit #2: BlackLivesMatter, like others, have followers that commit crimes and use their organization to justify their actions. I do know that BlackLivesMatter has a good stance, and I would support them but they're fighting the government/police which is less of a threat then another black person. Black people kill more of each other than white people kill them. I think their fight could be fought better, if they'd fight for black people to stop killing each other and work together.

I do support some of BlackLivesMatter ideals, but I can't support them because they want black people to have a better life than any white person.

 

 

[KuJoe]

Wow, without even reading your post I can already tell this thread is going to get crazy just based on that absolutely horrible poll. You list 5 options that reflect how bad the movement is and the 6th option is "other". That's a great way to confirm your own opinion by not putting any other options up there.

 

Try again.

[deleted_member_030719]

3 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

Wow, without even reading your post I can already tell this thread is going to get crazy just based on that absolutely horrible poll. You list 5 options that reflect how bad the movement is and the 6th option is "other". That's a great way to confirm your own opinion by not putting any other options up there.

 

Try again.

I couldn't think of any. Plus I put "other" as an option so you guys can state your own opinions, which is why I put it there. 

Also, if you're going to judge me on a poll, that's stupid on your part. You should actually read what I am trying to say, and try to understand my point.

[terrytek]

well the reason they want equality is because they're essentially treated like shit in america, especially with white policemen, as seen with such cases like terence crutcher and the one that snowballed all this, trayvon martin. i mean, that's just fucked up, and in most cases, the people who were charged in these murders, WERE ACQUITTED OF THEIR DEEDS. if that isn't white supremacy, then idk what is. and there are black people who as much as record the cop shooting a black person AND SERVES 4 YEARS IN JAIL FOR IT. america is so fucked up at this point like i get that this country had its foundations on slavery and segregating black people, but it has to stop, because america is a multiethnic nation and it should treat everybody the same. i mean obviously those who support the BLM movement do believe all lives do matter, but right now black lives matter the most because of their unfair treatment by white people. 

[deleted_member_030719]

1 minute ago, terrytek said:

well the reason they want equality is because they're essentially treated like shit in america, especially with white policemen, as seen with such cases like terence crutcher and the one that snowballed all this, trayvon martin. i mean, that's just fucked up, and in most cases, the people who were charged in these murders, WERE ACQUITTED OF THEIR DEEDS. if that isn't white supremacy, then idk what is. and there are black people who as much as record the cop shooting a black person AND SERVES 4 YEARS IN JAIL FOR IT. america is so fucked up at this point like i get that this country had its foundations on slavery and segregating black people, but it has to stop, because america is a multiethnic nation and it should treat everybody the same. i mean obviously those who support the BLM movement do believe all lives do matter, but right now black lives matter the most because of their unfair treatment by white people. 

I understand that. I will also add it to the OP.

However, they do have people that use BlackLivesMatter to commit crimes. There is black, white, and other people of other races that use organizations to commit crimes and jutisfy them. I never said that wasn't crimes commited against black people or injustice. However, black people kill more black people each year than white people kill black people.

Black people make around 4-20% (depending where you find this stat) of the american population and they still make-up around half the amount of crimes committed. 

[KuJoe]

9 minutes ago, Jed M said:

I couldn't think of any. Plus I put "other" as an option so you guys can state your own opinions, which is why I put it there. 

This confirms how ignorant you are to the situation if you can only see it from one point of view. I'm not saying you're opinion is right or wrong but by putting a completely one-sided poll up makes you come off as a complete racist. I did finally read your post and it appears you don't want to discuss this topic but rather just find other people who agree with your opinion.

 

I'm sure you meant well with this thread, but you're doing it all wrong and in your post and the poll you come across as disliking the movement because of their race and not their values. You focus so much on the color of their skin and even say "white people fought a civil war... to free them", are you implying that the BLM movement only consists of African Americans?

 

You stated that "[t]hey have completely retarded demands that I don't want to argue with right now", well why close down the discussion so quickly in your first post if you don't want to hear opposing views?

 

EDIT: I know you said you're not racist and I believe you, but the way you worded things doesn't look good from an outsider looking in.

[terrytek]

Just now, Jed M said:

I understand that. I will also add it to the OP.

However, they do have people that use BlackLivesMatter to commit crimes. There is black, white, and other people of other races that use organizations to commit crimes and jutisfy them. I never said that wasn't crimes commited against black people or injustice. However, black people kill more black people each year than white people kill black people.

Black people make around 4-20% (depending where you find this stat) of the american population and they still make-up around half the amount of crimes committed. 

ok sure they commit half the crimes committed, but what i'm saying is that the police force uses excessive force against these black people committing crimes, and then there are times that cops react too violently towards black people who haven't done anything wrong, like that one black guy in california who was shot while he had a seizure. now that's just wrong.

[Clanscorpia]

I find it pretty annoying, considering most people dont look at the facts. People dont understand the stress cops are under. I do agree they should have used less than lethal action but their lives come first. Anyone that helps others knows that is the priority. If you are getting attacking by sharks, you wont get help. Because it isnt safe. You will after, but not when there is danger. Unless they have the equipment and not all cops have the equipment do deal with these situations. People say its all the cops fault but black people putting the stereotype of thugs on themselves doesnt help. Im not saying they are all bad, Ive met some very friendly and nice black people but Ive met more and more one who are all like "yoo whats up homie g got that good shit". I do agree that they are asking a lot. Its like natives in canada. They demand compensation for something that happened 500 years ago. Its pretty bullshit to me. Nobody in the states has commited slavery in the current time. So people can shut the hell up about bull like that. Especially consider hundreds of people died for those people to be free. Yes I agree they are segregated but they do make it hard to accept them sometimes. (Im not saying this is all black people, Im just saying a large number of them act like this)

[Clanscorpia]

2 minutes ago, terrytek said:

ok sure they commit half the crimes committed, but what i'm saying is that the police force uses excessive force against these black people committing crimes, and then there are times that cops react too violently towards black people who haven't done anything wrong, like that one black guy in california who was shot while he had a seizure. now that's just wrong.

Thats complete bullshit there. Thats a retarded cop who never got any training. Any first aider or even someone in there right mind can tell if someone isnt acting properly 

[deleted_member_030719]

1 minute ago, KuJoe said:

 just find other people who agree with your opinion.

I am trying to get everyone's opinion.

 

2 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

of their race and not their values

No, their actions. There is examples of them rioting because they relied solely on the media and the media jumped the gun to get more views.

3 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

You focus so much on the color of their skin and even say "white people fought a civil war... to free them", are you implying that the BLM movement only consists of African Americans?

No, BLM is trying to imply that most or all white people just racists or having something against black people. I know that white people are apart of BLM and I support some of their ideals. I am trying to say that the majority of white people want what they consider equality.

6 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

You stated that "[t]hey have completely retarded demands that I don't want to argue with right now", well why close down the discussion so quickly in your first post if you don't want to hear opposing views?

I've already heard that, that is why I called some of their demands retarded. They have some very dumb, but in some cases understandable demands. They do have some good demands, but they also have demands that black people are unable to be arrested.

[Zodiark1593]

While there are no doubt those that truly believe in, and desire to make equal colored people to white, on the other hand, there are also those that participate in the riots and blockades. The latter group is selfish and pathetic, jumping on a cause to justify causing chaos.

 

I never grasped the concept of racism myself, so I find it a bit of a mystery as to why one would judge another solely upon color.

[deleted_member_030719]

1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

I never grasped the concept of racism myself, so I find it a bit of a mystery as to why one would judge another solely upon color.

Me either. I was never raised to be racist towards another race. I was raised to be cautious of everyone because a lot of people are malicious, scammers, etc. I was raised to be aware, not to be prejudice, 

However, in different places people are taught different things. Imagine if your parents were KKK members, you'd be raised to the KKK's views. It all depends on who you are, how you were raised, etc.

[johnny5c]

I appreciate what they're trying to accomplish but my sister-in-law was one of 21 officers injured back in July when BLM shut down I-94 here in Minnesota.  She had a severe bruise on her arm from getting hit with a rock and minor burns from a molotov cocktail, many of her fellow officers were hurt much worse,  In this state most people I know view BLM as a hate group or a terrorist organization and feel that they should be held responsible for crimes committed by their members and I completely agree with them.  The former leader of BLM St. Paul would tweet instructions for the shutdowns but never attend himself so if they turned violent he could place the blame on "individuals not affiliated with his organization" even though he picked the time and place.  I look at it as a arsonist saying they're innocent because they only doused a building with gasoline but had nothing to do with the spark that made it burn.

[Joe Brainer]

It's a hate group that needs to be treated as what it is. Sure some people that join it mean well, but the majority is ruining it. For example, the people saying "AllLivesMatter" is racist. They're part of the problem in this age. All lives matter, aside from pedophiles, murderers, and rapists. 

[TheBestUserName]

BM movement?  I just finished mine. Left some skid marks. 

[paddy-stone]

Well, my opinion is the movement should be called "everyone's lives matter" not make it into a race thing again... I know they are fighting for equality etc, but IMO there are plenty of people regardless of race that get victimized by people, be they police, governments etc. If it really is equality they want, stop making out like all white people are the same and racist, I for one am not racist in any way. I live in a neighbourhood that doesn't even have a race other than white, but it's not a wealthy neighbourhood, it's a village/small town. I know plenty of people that are racist, and their arguments are complete crap... they are usually stupid people IMO, and yes I know for a fact they are stupid as I went to school with some of them and know their intelligence level falls just above the gutter.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that BLM are making things worse not better IMO. It's not the message that is wrong per say, just the way it's delivered. ALL LIVES MATTER, regardless of race, religion and I hate being lumped in with some stupid rich white people from hundreds of years ago. Rich people are still fucking over the poor, regardless of race right now... not ALL rich people, but it's generally the people with power and money that fuck over the others. We all need equality, we all need our lives to be valued.

 

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[deleted_member_030719]

13 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

 I know they are fighting for equality etc, but IMO there are plenty of people regardless of race that get victimized by people, be they police, governments etc.

It's not only police doing it. It's people doing it to other people. It happens all the time, not just in jobs/careers/whatever like police.

14 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

 If it really is equality they want, stop making out like all white people are the same and racist

Well, according to a large, but stupid/mob mentality, group of the black community and small groups from other races all white people are racist. It's like white people do nothing but use our "privilege" to push down the black man. This thinking allows them to attack white people while thinking they're justified.

16 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

I know plenty of people that are racist, and their arguments are complete crap

The meaning of racist, racism, etc. have all gotten lost on people like BlackLivesMatter. They generalize all white people and judge us based upon the actions of a few people that, granted, are racist/biased towards black people and other races.

19 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that BLM are making things worse not better IMO. It's not the message that is wrong per say, just the way it's delivered

Uh, no. Their delivery method is perfect. Rioting, targeting white people for vicious/savage beatings, stepping on the american flag, calling all cops pigs, harassing police officers, harassing people for being white, etc. is just perfect. It really tells us what they actually want.

21 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

ALL LIVES MATTER, regardless of race, religion and I hate being lumped in with some stupid rich white people from hundreds of years ago. 

My thinking about life is that no life matters more than another does, unless a life proves itself less than another. Like the people that use BLM to savagely beat white people. riot, loot buildings, steal, etc. are unworthy of being treated the same as me, or another innocent person. ISIS is another example of a group of people that are unworthy to be treated the same as the average person.

[ThinkWithPortals]

Allowing multiple answers in a poll is a thing btw.

 

Anyway, I think stating "black lives matter" in the context of equality is a fallacy. If you want to enforce equality you should be spreading the message that all lives matter.

[pyrojoe34]

The Bureau of Land Management? They're not bad. Generally speaking the do a good job with conservation efforts and management. I sometimes disagree with their release of mineral rights and some of their bureaucratic choices but overall they're pretty good.

[JoeCoke]

11 hours ago, terrytek said:

well the reason they want equality is because they're essentially treated like shit in america, especially with white policemen, as seen with such cases like terence crutcher and the one that snowballed all this, trayvon martin. i mean, that's just fucked up, and in most cases, the people who were charged in these murders, WERE ACQUITTED OF THEIR DEEDS. if that isn't white supremacy, then idk what is. and there are black people who as much as record the cop shooting a black person AND SERVES 4 YEARS IN JAIL FOR IT. america is so fucked up at this point like i get that this country had its foundations on slavery and segregating black people, but it has to stop, because america is a multiethnic nation and it should treat everybody the same. i mean obviously those who support the BLM movement do believe all lives do matter, but right now black lives matter the most because of their unfair treatment by white people. 

More whites are killed by police than blacks, hell, whites are killed more in general all around the board. This isn't a problem of just one race, this is everyone's problem.

 

Just sayin'.

[pyrojoe34]

4 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

More whites are killed by police than blacks, hell, whites are killed more in general all around the board. This isn't a problem of just one race, this is everyone's problem.

 

Just sayin'.

Without even looking at the actual stats I can safely say that your statement means nothing without more information. You have to normalize the number to the amount of people in each group. 1/100 > 8/1000

[JoeCoke]

Just now, pyrojoe34 said:

Without even looking at the actual stats I can safely say that your statement means nothing without more information. You have to normalize the number to to amount of people in each group. 1/100 > 8/1000

It isn't my problem if you won't look at the stats.

[pyrojoe34]

2 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

It isn't my problem if you won't look at the stats.

You missed the point. Saying more whites are killed than blacks doesn't prove that blacks aren't more likely to be killed by police, there are way more white people in America. That's just bad statistics on your part.

 

Your point may or may not be valid but your statement means nothing without more information.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, 2Buck said:

It isn't my problem if you won't look at the stats.

While I may agree with your general points, you're the one who made a claim based on "stats". If you make the claim, you're the one who must provide evidence, not tell the other person they need to look at the stats that you didn't provide.

7 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

More whites are killed by police than blacks, hell, whites are killed more in general all around the board. This isn't a problem of just one race, this is everyone's problem.

 

Just sayin'.

 

[AlwaysFSX]

Entitled racists that cause their own problems.