7th Generation AMD PRO

[sof006]

So looks like AMD is getting ready to launch AMD Pro. Just uploaded this new video quoting up to 17% more performance vs competitors.

 

 

 

What do you guys think? I think AMD's new Zen architecture (which this is not) will be awesome.

 

EDIT: Been told its not Zen. Didn't realise AMD was releasing something completely separate to Zen as well. My bad.

 

EDIT2: Please don't turn my post into a shit storm or i'll request the thread to be locked.

[Enderman]

Last time they launched something with "pro" in the name it was a complete failure.

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Last time they launched something with "pro" in the name it was a complete failure.

FirePro?

[Enderman]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

FirePro?

Pro Duo

[sof006]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Last time they launched something with "pro" in the name it was a complete failure.

I don't think it will be a failure this time. They have already shown their new CPU's to be very efficient and powerful.

[TheRandomness]

Just now, Enderman said:

Pro Duo

Not a failure, most just horrifically overpriced c:

[Space Reptile]

i like it , but im a glutton for punishment 

[Enderman]

Just now, sof006 said:

I don't think it will be a failure this time. They have already shown their new CPU's to be very efficient and powerful.

Yeah i know, it's just a joke.

 

Just now, TheRandomness said:

Not a failure, most just horrifically overpriced c:

Based on the amount of people that actually bought it, i would consider it a failure.

The 295x2 was a success, this wasn't at all.

[TheRandomness]

Just now, Enderman said:

Yeah i know, it's just a joke.

 

Based on the amount of people that actually bought it, i would consider it a failure.

The 295x2 was a success, this wasn't at all.

Speaking of 295x2... I can find them for £400.. I am so tempted

[SurvivorNVL]

Launch Zen and your 490x, for God's sake.  This is, has, and will continue to be a painfully slow decline for AMD, if they can't actually release entire line-ups ahead of nVidia, and with equal performance, better pricing.  This shit has taken far, far too long.

[zMeul]

15 minutes ago, sof006 said:

So looks like AMD is getting ready to launch "Zen" as the name AMD Pro. Just uploaded this new video quoting up to 17% more performance vs competitors.

What do you guys think? I think AMD's new Zen architecture will be awesome.

that's not "Zen"

it's their 7^th gen APUs codename Bristol Ridge: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/processors/laptop-processors

 

they are all 28nm parts .. rofl!

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-apu-pro-bristol-ridge,32786.html

[TheRandomness]

512 shaders... that's like a little GTX 750 in there Could end up being quite alright for a really small STX build if AMD decides to get themselves an STX motherboard.

[dalekphalm]

26 minutes ago, zMeul said:

that's not "Zen"

it's their 7^th gen APUs codename Bristol Ridge: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/processors/laptop-processors

 

they are all 28nm parts .. rofl!

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-apu-pro-bristol-ridge,32786.html

I don't know why you're saying "rofl" about the fact that they are 28nm parts - we knew this!

 

Zen is launching with Mainstream desktop SKU's first - we knew this!

 

Zen APU's are coming sometime later down the line - we knew this!

 

So yeah... this should be unsurprising. These are essentially just semi-custom APU's for businesses to employ in more specific scenarios.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

I don't know why you're saying "rofl" about the fact that they are 28nm parts - we knew this!

 

Zen is launching with Mainstream desktop SKU's first - we knew this!

 

Zen APU's are coming sometime later down the line - we knew this!

 

So yeah... this should be unsurprising. These are essentially just semi-custom APU's for businesses to employ in more specific scenarios.

did you even read the OP?! yes .. he said that's Zen - no, it isn't!

 

don't tell me "we know this!", tell him

apparently he doesn't

[dalekphalm]

Just now, zMeul said:

did you even read the OP?! yes .. he said that's Zen

no, it isn't!

Yeah I'm not doubting that. The OP was wrong in his suspicions.

 

You were correct, these are Bristol Ridge APU's - my comments are entirely about you "laughing" at the fact that they're still 28nm. Once you realized they weren't Zen, it should have been obvious, of course they're 28nm - Zen APU's won't be here until sometime next year at the earliest.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

Yeah I'm not doubting that. The OP was wrong in his suspicions.

 

You were correct, these are Bristol Ridge APU's - my comments are entirely about you "laughing" at the fact that they're still 28nm. Once you realized they weren't Zen, it should have been obvious, of course they're 28nm - Zen APU's won't be here until sometime next year at the earliest.

APUs don't need to be "Zen" to be on lower production node - die shrink, no?!

isn't that what everyone accused nVidia of doing with Pascal 

[GlassBomb]

As a head's up for those looking more into what they are comparing this A12-9800E against. They are comparing it to a i5 6500T.

 

So they are comparing two laptops, from what I can tell. But it's at least nice to know what they are putting it up against.

[dalekphalm]

@sof006 would you mind updating the OP and removing references to Zen? As Zmuel stated, backed up with a source from Toms Hardware, this is a Bristol Ridge APU series. Nothing to do with Zen at all.
 

[sof006]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

@sof006 would you mind updating the OP and removing references to Zen? As Zmuel stated, backed up with a source from Toms Hardware, this is a Bristol Ridge APU series. Nothing to do with Zen at all.
 

Updated

[dalekphalm]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

APUs don't need to be "Zen" to be on lower production node - die shrink, no?!

isn't that what everyone accused nVidia of doing with Pascal 

Why would AMD spend the money on a die shrink? Think about it. You can't just "shrink" the existing chip with zero consideration. You need to adapt and re-engineer aspects of it. It's not like "printing" a poster onto a Letter Sized piece of paper by just shrinking it in the print dialog. If they're going to make the investment of die shrinking it - well, there's just no point, since Zen APU's will do that (and more) for them anyway. Bristol Ridge was always planned to be 28nm.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Why would AMD spend the money on a die shrink? Think about it. You can't just "shrink" the existing chip with zero consideration. You need to adapt and re-engineer aspects of it. It's not like "printing" a poster onto a Letter Sized piece of paper by just shrinking it in the print dialog. If they're going to make the investment of die shrinking it - well, there's just no point, since Zen APU's will do that (and more) for them anyway. Bristol Ridge was always planned to be 28nm.

for the same reason they invested money in designing and mass producing these APUs

 

they launched the APUs, where are the motherboards?!?!!?

[dalekphalm]

Just now, zMeul said:

for the same reason they invested money in designing and mass producing these APUs

They put money into these because Zen isn't ready yet, and they probably only have a limited amount of 14nm production available (which is no doubt being taken up by both Zen and Polaris/Vega).

 

Bristol Ridge was always supposed to be a stop-gap until Zen APU's are ready. I don't think they could afford to die-shrink these, and still hit production numbers for Zen and Polaris.

 

Zen Desktop chips should be landing any time in the next 2 months, so AMD needs to make sure they can handle that.

 

Obviously if they had the money and the production space, they probably WOULD have made Bristol Ridge 14nm.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

They put money into these because Zen isn't ready yet, and they probably only have a limited amount of 14nm production available (which is no doubt being taken up by both Zen and Polaris/Vega).

 

Bristol Ridge was always supposed to be a stop-gap until Zen APU's are ready. I don't think they could afford to die-shrink these, and still hit production numbers for Zen and Polaris.

 

Zen Desktop chips should be landing any time in the next 2 months, so AMD needs to make sure they can handle that.

 

Obviously if they had the money and the production space, they probably WOULD have made Bristol Ridge 14nm.

these APUs don't do anything for AMD, people are still avoiding them

and if you payed some attention to the mobile market, notebook/laptop OEMs aren't keen of releasing products based on these APUs

 

the only though I have is that somehow Apple will be building some MacBook with one of these

[Space Reptile]

18 minutes ago, GlassBomb said:

As a head's up for those looking more into what they are comparing this A12-9800E against. They are comparing it to a i5 6500T.

 

So they are comparing two laptops, from what I can tell. But it's at least nice to know what they are putting it up against.

the 6500t´s PM score is on avg 5850 , (click for source)

doing some napkin math that will give the AMD chip an theoretical score of about 6850 wich will put it there 

 almost as good as a 6300 or an 4590s , pretty impressive for an AMD apu 

 

in cinebench the 6500t scores 464 on avg ,  (click for source)

doing the beloved napkin math again the amd chip scores a theoretical 542 wich will put it here

interesting to say the least 

[GlassBomb]

32 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

the 6500t´s PM score is on avg 5850 , (click for source)

doing some napkin math that will give the AMD chip an theoretical score of about 6850 wich will put it there 

~snip

almost as good as a 6300 or an 4590s , pretty impressive for an AMD apu 

 

in cinebench the 6500t scores 464 on avg ,  (click for source)

doing the beloved napkin math again the amd chip scores a theoretical 542 wich will put it here

~snip~

interesting to say the least 

Yeah, it's just sad that people don't care about low-/mid-tier laptops without discrete graphics. If they work, then it's good enough for them.