choosing an OS

[Oswin]

hello i have recently build a new pc i was wondering is it better to get win 10 or win 8 for it? which would be better to support it?

thank you for your help and cooperation

 

[Delicieuxz]

Any of Windows 7, 8, or 10 are modern OSes, and will run mostly anything that you want them to. I personally think that Windows 7, or 8.1, would be a better choice than Windows 10, which has a lot of things that are problematic with it, and I've written about why in this post:

 

 

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

Any of Windows 7, 8, or 10 are modern OSes, and will run mostly anything that you want them to. I personally think that Windows 7, or 8.1, would be a better choice than Windows 10, which has a lot of things that are problematic with it, and I've written about why in this post:

 

thank you for your help!

 

[MrDrWho13]

Personally I'd go with Windows 10. I have had less problems with it than Windows 7, and it has much improved multi-monitor and drive support, as well as other subtle yet important features .

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, MrDrWho13 said:

Personally I'd go with Windows 10. I have had less problems with it than Windows 7, and it has much improved multi-monitor and drive support, as well as other subtle yet important features .

the build i am using needs the newest version of win 10 and i knew that win 10 had problems and has not finished refining yet, so i figure  i would take the win 8 instead but thank you for your opinion.

[Laggger164]

If you want DirectX 12 then Windows 10 is the only option. I am using it and no problems so far, yes its different gotta get used to it, but its not bad.

[kirashi]

1 hour ago, Oswin said:

hello i have recently build a new pc i was wondering is it better to get win 10 or win 8 for it? which would be better to support it?

thank you for your help and cooperation

 

Since the 1607 Anniversary Update, I'm quite content with recommending Windows 10 over Windows 7 now, even for business use. Before the 1607 update, it definitely had its' fair share of bugs and oddities you wouldn't find on a Windows 7 machine, but now that they've been ironed out, Windows 10 is more reliable and stable out of the box than 7 for me.

[MrDrWho13]

7 hours ago, kirashi said:

Since the 1607 Anniversary Update, I'm quite content with recommending Windows 10 over Windows 7 now, even for business use. Before the 1607 update, it definitely had its' fair share of bugs and oddities you wouldn't find on a Windows 7 machine, but now that they've been ironed out, Windows 10 is more reliable and stable out of the box than 7 for me.

Yeah I switched to Windows 10 in May, and I still have Windows 7 on my other HDD. Not once have I considered going back to Windows 7.

[LOLZpersonok]

I'd go with Windows 10. It's faster than Windows 7 and fixes a lot of the annoyances in Windows 8 and 8.1.

[Curious Pineapple]

I had nothing but trouble with Windows 10. I was fortunate enough to have random system lockups for no reason every 20 minutes or so, ditched it for 8.1 and had no problems since.

[Delicieuxz]

5 hours ago, LOLZpersonok said:

I'd go with Windows 10. It's faster than Windows 7

It isn't, though. Unless you mean strictly in startup time, and in DirectX 12 applications. Windows 7 has Vulkan support, though, which does the same thing as DirectX 12.

[smokefest]

Win7 is the best. Win 8 is the worst, win 10 is fine.

Win 10 probably the best solution for new builds and futur,

I simply think win 7 is the best os ever made by microsoft.

I will never go to win10 unless I see that DX12 is improving games performance and quality, wich isnt the case right now.

[LOLZpersonok]

19 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

It isn't, though. Unless you mean strictly in startup time, and in DirectX 12 applications. Windows 7 has Vulkan support, though, which does the same thing as DirectX 12.

By that I mean I've noticed that Windows 10 (and even 8) are much snappier and more responsive than Windows 7 was. That's my experience though. 

[LOLZpersonok]

Last night, I was watching a live stream from BBISHOPPCM and I noticed that a lot of people's opinions on the different versions of Windows are often dramatically different from each other. My best suggestion would be to try them out if you can. I'd personally recommend Windows 10 because it's the latest and greatest and fixes a lot of the weird issues that were in Windows 8, but you might feel differently if you were to try out the others.

[Mira Yurizaki]

20 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

It isn't, though. Unless you mean strictly in startup time, and in DirectX 12 applications. Windows 7 has Vulkan support, though, which does the same thing as DirectX 12.

But why limit yourself to one when you can have both?

[Donut417]

Windows 7 looses support in 2020. So that means no updates after that. We are less than 4 years away. Windows 10 is the "last" major release Microsoft is doing. So if you plan on using your machine for a long time, you better just jump on the bandwagon. Also, patches are no longer tested by a professional dev team at Microsoft. They use the windows insiders to test updates. So... It really doesn't matter what OS your running, because any update could be fucked. Windows 10 has directX12 and many other features that are kinda cool. It is also faster and boot up. 

[Delicieuxz]

12 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Windows 7 looses support in 2020. So that means no updates after that. We are less than 4 years away. Windows 10 is the "last" major release Microsoft is doing. So if you plan on using your machine for a long time, you better just jump on the bandwagon. Also, patches are no longer tested by a professional dev team at Microsoft. They use the windows insiders to test updates. So... It really doesn't matter what OS your running, because any update could be fucked. Windows 10 has directX12 and many other features that are kinda cool. It is also faster and boot up. 

This is exactly why it doesn't matter when Windows 7 support ends. Accepting updates from Microsoft is now much more likely to cause both minor and serious system issues, than any threat of malware. Windows 10 practically is malware, and I've had more and bigger issues caused by accepting Windows 10 updates from Microsoft than I've had from any malware, or as a result of not accepting Microsoft updates. I think that before Windows 10, no malware had ever caused me to have to perform a clean re-installation of my PC. But Windows 10 has.

 

Also, Windows 7 is already a super stable OS, whereas Windows 10 is not. As you mentioned, Microsoft's updates are no longer up to the same quality as they were for Windows 7 and 8, which are already fully-updated OSes. This means that Windows 10 is much more likely to be a rough experience going forward, just as it already is rough experience right now:

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/kindle-crashes-and-broken-powershell-something-isnt-right-with-windows-10-testing/

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3107306/microsoft-windows/microsoft-admits-to-distributing-windows-printing-bugs-in-kb-3177725-and-kb-3176493.html

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2016/06/16/june-patch-breaks-group-policy-settings.aspx

http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/

http://superuser.com/questions/1022063/windows-10-default-programs-keep-changing

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/16-windows-10-anniversary-update-issues-fix/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/717115/Windows-10-Anniversary-Update-Install-Problems-Fail

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update

 

Basically, Windows 10 is, right now, a lot more vulnerable to issues than a Windows 7 post-2020 system will be. Many people have even been running Windows XP, for many years, and are not having issues. Meanwhile, people running Windows 10 are having issues specifically from Microsoft's updates.

 

~ 3.4 years left for Windows 7 support is still the length of a full OS life-cycle. That said, running either Windows 7 or 10 without accepting updates from Microsoft could be safer than actually running those OSes while accepting updates from Microsoft.

[Donut417]

6 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

This is exactly why it doesn't matter when Windows 7 support ends. Accepting updates from Microsoft is now much more likely to cause both minor and serious system issues, than any threat of malware. Windows 10 practically is malware, and I've had more and bigger issues caused by accepting Windows 10 updates from Microsoft than I've had from any malware, or as a result of not accepting Microsoft updates. I think that before Windows 10, no malware had ever caused me to have to perform a clean re-installation of my PC. But Windows 10 has.

 

Also, Windows 7 is already a super stable OS, whereas Windows 10 is not. As you mentioned, Microsoft's updates are no longer up to the same quality as they were for Windows 7 and 8, which are already fully-updated OSes. This means that Windows 10 is much more likely to be a rough experience going forward, just as it already is rough experience right now:

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/kindle-crashes-and-broken-powershell-something-isnt-right-with-windows-10-testing/

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3107306/microsoft-windows/microsoft-admits-to-distributing-windows-printing-bugs-in-kb-3177725-and-kb-3176493.html

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2016/06/16/june-patch-breaks-group-policy-settings.aspx

http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/

http://superuser.com/questions/1022063/windows-10-default-programs-keep-changing

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/16-windows-10-anniversary-update-issues-fix/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/717115/Windows-10-Anniversary-Update-Install-Problems-Fail

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update

 

Basically, Windows 10 is, right now, a lot more vulnerable to issues than a Windows 7 post-2020 system will be. Many people have even been running Windows XP, for many years, and are not having issues. Meanwhile, people running Windows 10 are having issues specifically from Microsoft's updates.

 

~ 3.4 years left for Windows 7 support is still the length of a full OS life-cycle. That said, running either Windows 7 or 10 without accepting updates from Microsoft could be safer than actually running those OSes while accepting updates from Microsoft.

You might have not had malware to cause you to reinstall Windows 7, I have. FACT: Microsoft Windows is closed source. FACT: Only Microsoft can fix security holes. This is why updates are important. Any one who does not update I consider to be a moron. I prefer to have security as I do online banking and buy shit online. 

 

You also are suggesting I support Windows 10 fully. I dont. As soon as I graduate from University Im going to Linux. Because Windows 10 is a horrible OS. I refuse however to use an out of date, un updated OS. PERIOD. If you dont like Windows 10,there is always Linux and MacOS.  Also you didnt bring up the big issue. Skylake is not fully compatible with anything below Windows 10. This will be a growing trend. Microsoft will make it so newer hardware will not work with Older version of Windows. So those looking to upgrade to new hardware are fucked. and stuck with Windows 10. Windows 10 is like an asteroid heading to Earth, you cant escape it. 

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

You might have not had malware to cause you to reinstall Windows 7, I have. FACT: Microsoft Windows is closed source. FACT: Only Microsoft can fix security holes. This is why updates are important. Any one who does not update I consider to be a moron. I prefer to have security as I do online banking and buy shit online. 

 

You also are suggesting I support Windows 10 fully. I dont. As soon as I graduate from University Im going to Linux. Because Windows 10 is a horrible OS. I refuse however to use an out of date, un updated OS. PERIOD. If you dont like Windows 10,there is always Linux and MacOS.  Also you didnt bring up the big issue. Skylake is not fully compatible with anything below Windows 10. This will be a growing trend. Microsoft will make it so newer hardware will not work with Older version of Windows. So those looking to upgrade to new hardware are fucked. and stuck with Windows 10. Windows 10 is like an asteroid heading to Earth, you cant escape it. 

i was asking about windows 8 and 10.. i don't  know why the 7 went into the equation. i ended up installing the windows 8.1 

[Donut417]

4 minutes ago, Oswin said:

i was asking about windows 8 and 10.. i don't  know why the 7 went into the equation. i ended up installing the windows 8.1 

Just like Windows 7, Windows 8.1 has an expiration date, when updates will no longer be supplied. However it should be a few years past Windows 7. By that time, maybe something better will happen. 

[Oswin]

2 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Just like Windows 7, Windows 8.1 has an expiration date, when updates will no longer be supplied. However it should be a few years past Windows 7. By that time, maybe something better will happen. 

yep i liked windows 7 as well. it might be one of the best os created by microsoft, but i have a surface tablet and i am starting to like it so i figure why not try the 8.1? since i have been using the windows 7 for a long time and i think it has served its days now.

[Donut417]

11 minutes ago, Oswin said:

yep i liked windows 7 as well. it might be one of the best os created by microsoft, but i have a surface tablet and i am starting to like it so i figure why not try the 8.1? since i have been using the windows 7 for a long time and i think it has served its days now.

8.1 is better suited for tablets anyway. Windows 7 and below were not very fun to use on a touchscreen. I used to work for a Fast Food Restaurant that used Windows machines with touchscreens. Lets just say it was not fun. Especially Windows 98, ME, or XP. I would assume Windows 7 in a touch environment would be shitty too. So I would say you made a wise choice. Maybe in the future Windows 10 wont be as shitty when it comes to updates. 

[Oswin]

3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

8.1 is better suited for tablets anyway. Windows 7 and below were not very fun to use on a touchscreen. I used to work for a Fast Food Restaurant that used Windows machines with touchscreens. Lets just say it was not fun. Especially Windows 98, ME, or XP. I would assume Windows 7 in a touch environment would be shitty too. So I would say you made a wise choice. Maybe in the future Windows 10 wont be as shitty when it comes to updates. 

yep i would plan the upgrade when the windows 10 is stable with no more problems until now lets just agree vista is the worst 

[Donut417]

9 hours ago, Oswin said:

yep i would plan the upgrade when the windows 10 is stable with no more problems until now lets just agree vista is the worst 

NO. Windows ME was the worst. A buddy of mine said his computer would just forget it had a graphics card or any hardware for that matter. He would have to wait for it to remember. ME still holds the award for shittiest version of Windows to date. 

[Delicieuxz]

10 hours ago, Donut417 said:

You might have not had malware to cause you to reinstall Windows 7, I have. FACT: Microsoft Windows is closed source. FACT: Only Microsoft can fix security holes. This is why updates are important. Any one who does not update I consider to be a moron. I prefer to have security as I do online banking and buy shit online. 

 

You also are suggesting I support Windows 10 fully. I dont. As soon as I graduate from University Im going to Linux. Because Windows 10 is a horrible OS. I refuse however to use an out of date, un updated OS. PERIOD. If you dont like Windows 10,there is always Linux and MacOS.  Also you didnt bring up the big issue. Skylake is not fully compatible with anything below Windows 10. This will be a growing trend. Microsoft will make it so newer hardware will not work with Older version of Windows. So those looking to upgrade to new hardware are fucked. and stuck with Windows 10. Windows 10 is like an asteroid heading to Earth, you cant escape it. 

I didn't mean to suggest anything about what you think, but only presented a bigger point based on what you wrote. Also, considering people who don't update to be morons is sort of like considering people who wear the colour orange to be morons. It really isn't an indication of anything, since many PCs go a lot longer without issues by not updating them, while many PCs run into issues precisely because they were updated.

 

Regarding Skylake CPUs, Microsoft reversed their stance on their intention to end Skylake support on Windows 7 and 8, following public feedback. However, they now claim that post-Skylake CPUs will require Windows 10 for support - but, "not supported" doesn't mean newer CPUs won't run on Windows 7 and 8, and it may be possible to manually install Windows 10 drivers and fixes for those CPUs on Windows 7 and 8.

 

10 hours ago, Oswin said:

i was asking about windows 8 and 10.. i don't  know why the 7 went into the equation. i ended up installing the windows 8.1 

What applies to Windows 7 vs 10 generally also applies to Windows 8 vs 10.